Mutant chronicals

[Pantagruelion]

Anyone that germinates a certain amount of seed eventually comes accross an abhorant individual or two ( I'm referring to plants not people). Anyone that produces seed eventually sees strange seed. Although a majority of these individuals are unuseful from a cannabis production perspective, I believe that the observation and cataloging of these traits could be immensely beneficial to our understanding of the plant as a whole. I'm thinking evolutionary history here, physical traits that while recessive represent former successful forms of expression. Does double seed represent a former successful trait that devolved into single seed or is double seed a present or future evolutionary development? I've found seed that resembles flaxseed. Does this sound like the future or possibly a clue into the ancient history of cannabis morphology? So with such nonsense in my brain, I propose this thread as a show case of the weird world of weed. If you find something strange post yer details here, so it can be documented where we can all observe and bask in the strangeness of its expression. I'll show mine if you show me yours.......

 

[catbuds]

This is interesting, plan to follow the thread. I once produced a seed out of indica breeding that looked like a flax seed. Ok. We know indica seeds are BIG, not flat. This plant also had the narrowest leaves I've EVER seen, hardly any striation at all. The more mature it became, the narrower the leaves untill they looked like blades of grass. At 2 yrs old, it NEVER flowered, & it had been put under 12/12 twice. 3 months the first time, 4 months the second. Some strange sexless mutant. Seed came from hand pollenated indoor grow, definitely indica genes. These mutants interest me, curious, sometimes. Are they evolving, or de-evolving?

 

[Pantagruelion]

Here's a mutant

This plant was from seed I got in some unpressed ganja in Chang Mai northern Thailand. The rest of its siblings appear normal. Light green thin leaved Sativas. This odd fellow is sort of wide and dark. It's twisted underside appears much lighter and covered in a fuzzy coating of tweaked out trichomes. Wierd indeed. This photo is from above. It was planted October 22nd. It came up within a week. Photo taken today.

 

[Pantagruelion]

Here is a side shot

It hasn't developed any side branches or growth tips. Just an elongated true leaf with a couple stunted side leaves and a couple cotyledon leaves at the base. The elongated leaf part is sort of damaged and at first glance appears eaten by a caterpillar. This is not the case. The damage was due to erratic growth.

 

[Pantagruelion]

Indica mutant

This little weirdo came up strange as well. It had two seed leaves a long stem and two big dark leaves. Not at all like the other Indica seedlings.

 

[Pantagruelion]

And a couple weeks later

It's looking Indica as fawk. The two big leaves diverged into separate tops spontaneously. This photo is from above.

 

[Pantagruelion]

Side shot

Hopefully this side shot reveals the unorthodox structure. Not super weird I know but definitely not the usual.

 

[catbuds]

Strange but awesome! Keep posting on this one. Hope its female. Would love to see how buds develope!

 

[Pantagruelion]

It's one of only two

It looks interesting but due to not so viable pollen I only had two seeds. Both emerged one weird one not. The seed was purple just like its mamas seed. Pink Panther female and lemon skunk male - female x male - UW female and KGDP male. I hate to do it but if possible I'll f2 the siblings. Normally I wouldn't use a weirdo in any breeding program (unless its a purposely weird program) but I only produced those two seeds.

 

[Bambi]

I like grower sor breeders that think outside to box or is it square, maybe circle, you no what I mean aye''

Ya no the mutant types can sometimes create a really special plant and are always best looked after and grown out again as clones to see just whats what''

I had a stinky pinky true Humboldt plant that grew a silver type mutant plant back in 2008 that turned out to be the best plant out of many females I had tested out, ya just never no,

If I could grow or test plants around a Nuclear energy source I would, this could have crappy or fantastic results, not sure id like to smoke to end product though, lol, id give it to someone I don't like perhaps'' im kidding))) I think'

if we lived in Russia near the Chernobal nuke site then yes we could test the theory for sure, any takers ?

 

[scrubdog]

chemical agents

I grow Thai a lot and they are prone to mutation. Especially flat stem and split branching. I had/have two mutant Thais at the moment but they seem to have grown out of it. Both had mutated growing tips right from birth but eventually laterals grew at the first leaf axis and then the growing tips withered and died. These were both Nev Haze X Mango Thai and I don't think the seed was properly ripe so the embryo wasn't properly formed at germination. This is a common cause of mutations in seeds that are either too immature or too old. Often when seeds are too old the first leaves don't form properly and look like a caterpillar chewed them away.

Anyway if you really want to play with mutants it isn't hard to create them chemically. Almost any hormone based weedkiller in very low doses will cause mutations. There's some research on it on the internet somewhere but I'm too busy to search for it.

Long story short I once sprayed a whole crop with low dose weedkiller (can't remember what I used now but probably a 2-4-D ester) and mutated everything but nothing interesting came of it.

You don't need radiation. Anything that causes cell mutation works just the same.The best researched mutation of cannabis sativa is done using colchicine to induce tetraploid cell division. Colchicine comes from the crocus plant and is very poisonous. The plants that result are rumoured to be triple the size, growth rate and potency but 99% sterile. Something like that. The big breeding objective in the 60's was to get viable seed from the 1% and breed a super strain of cannabis. That was a real big deal once but it died out when indoor growing took off because indoor growers don't want huge plants.

I might have a few natural mutants growing amongst the purple kush at the moment come to think of it. I'll have a look and post some photos if I find any.

scrubdog

 

[scrubdog]

purple kush

Here is a purple kush that was mutated from birth but it will grow out of it. I've found that plants grow out of 90% of natural mutations except for things like flat or ribbon stem... which if you've never seen is quite hard to describe but reasonably common amongst SE Asian strains. Some hermaphrodite Thais get really messed up with all sorts of mutations.

I always try to breed from them in case I get something crazy but many mutated plants or plant parts are sterile.

Anyway I digress...

Hard to see in the photo but the growing tip is all messed up and there is some sort of trifoliate thing going on. Right from germination it was weird.

scrubdog

 

[catbuds]

Liking that squaty little kush! Those flat stems are commonly called celery stalks. Might be good with a little onion dip! LOL! They make strange flat buds.

I like watching the mutes grow too. Like a whole new exotic plant!

 

[Pantagruelion]

Ugly mofos

Those are some horribly disfigured Quazimoto looking mutants. Nice. That's what I'm talking about. Here's that Chang Mai freakshow. It's over 5 weeks old and really hasn't changed. It's siblings are two feet tall. It's just in limbo. It's so whacked out it doesn't know what to do. Photo was taken today. Looks like the other photos. Zero growth.

 

[Pantagruelion]

Mutant runt

The Chang Mai mutant still has not grown at all. It got a little over grown and shaded. It was surrounded by 4 and 5 foot tall siblings and neighboring Sativas. I took it out of the Sativa zone and placed it under T5s. Maybe it will do something someday. Maybe not. The other mutant that grew two tops is a female! It was a purple seed produced by a purple seeded mama. It will be sibling mated for a freaky F2.

 

[Pantagruelion]

Dead freak

The Chang Mai mutant passed away last week. It failed to grow and it's siblings grew four feet, thus shading and weakening it considerably. I attempted to rescue it by placing it under T5s. Alas, it was too far gone. It will be missed. On a more positive note here is that double topped weirdo. It is a Pink Pantherx Lemon Skunk female x male U.W.x KGDP.

 

[Joe King Park]

Mutefruit; Before And After Surgery !

I Love Coming Across Mutants
JKP

 

[Pantagruelion]

Fasciation fascination

Nice example of a fasciated main stalk. So you chopped that mutant bit off and normal growth resumed? Had a fasciated main shoot on a Thai do that. I never thought to amputate so I just let it be. Due to its slow rate of growth a lower side branch quickly took over main top duties. Then it was lost in the Sativa Sea and forgotten. When it was harvested the flat stem part had all of these strange stunted floral parts protruding every which way. The rest of the plant was normal.

 

[stakintwentynotes]

They are not mutants they have just gone into flowering when you took the cuts.
Stn

 

[PrimalHaze]

I like the variety with the mutants. I had twin seedings from a shark shock, one of the twins had fasciated stalk and I culled it because the normal twin was overgrowing the mutant.

This nevilles haze mango mutant is starting to grow somewhat normal now, I'm hoping its a super female...