lifetime Icmag member gets banned

[madzonga]

JeesE

Why DEA would have any interest in Sam? meaning what is the risk (covering Sam) vs reward (information) ratio? Based on the readings it seems unbalanced.

I am agnostic on this subject, just wondering.

pace

 

[Nygee624]

Synthesis

Haglean Diaeclectic I think that's how you spell it Mdzonga just my 2cents control both sides ,its a win-win for the DEA ,the same reason why the CIA runs drugs ,you make money selling and prosicuting for used an "illegal" substance the perfect bizzzzznessss.

 

[REDEYE_420]

Hi All


listen guys it is getting a little old hat this negativity and opinions on things not really so relevant to our mission.

We are all different. We are equal . We are all entitled to our own opinions. But we are also judged on how we communicate with each other especially how we discuss topics we are not in agreement in. So imagine you are all in the Queen of Englands tea room and she is in the back ground mingling...got the image...now speak to each other knowing man is judge on content and civility, humility and intellect.

People have bashed all of the crew numerous times at MNS...it is our problem to address not anyone else...but thank you all for making us aware of things. In the same breathe we are all ghrown up and can deal with what comes in front of us. I always believe to beat an enemy it is easier to hug them than shoot at them...so please let me do my work and sort out the grow stories and hicups and new testing etc...rather than go down historic meandering into a futile valley where the heros and enemies look all the same.

I wish guys like all of you on this thread got together and shared some points that helped you become so knowledgeable for the benefit of the younger community looking on from the shadows and boy there are a lot.So please for my benefit agree to disagree NICEly....bless you all Sb

Wise words!

 

[madzonga]

by Joe Pietri’s Article in TY Magazine
Treating Yourself, Issue 26 – 2010

On March 20th 1985 David Watson was busted for growing in Santa Cruz, California, Watson a junior member of the Sacred Seed collective. The Sacred Seed bank collective was created in the 1940’s, most original members long gone or well into there 70’s, a generation or more older than I, I’m 63, and have been in Cannabis trade 50 years and.
I can only speak from my 50 years experience of fighting the drug war.
A month later, Watson, now traveling as Sam Selezny arrived in Amsterdam in the company of Ed Rosenthal. In his baggage, were the research from the sacred seed collective, and 250,000 cannabis seeds. Ed Rosenthal introduced Sam Selezny as David Watson to everyone who was anyone at the time on the Dutch scene. Which was very small compared to what it is today.
Surviving members still question how Watson managed to pull this off? A collective member states that Watson was a junior member, had nothing to do with creating Skunk or`haze strains attributed to Skunk-man as he is now known. Original Skunk had the real skunk spray smell, impossible to mask.
The first time I met Skunk-man at the 2007 cup his first comment to me was that I blew his cover due to a chapter in my book King of Nepal The Ice Wars edition? He even put up wanted posters for me at the cup calling me a snitch. On the scenes I came from if was a snitch I’d be dead long ago.
By the time you finish this article you may realize that Sam Selezny aka David Watson aka Skunk-man started as a DEA undercover agent, whose undercover career makes Donnie Brasco pale when compared, since he finally became a DEA licensee and ”private contractor” with the power to make the agency move against competitors
and anybody in his way and to cut deals with Bayer, Monsanto, and the Dutch and English Government. Ed Rosenthal’s duped by Watson as well? Rosenthal was the cultivation expert at High Times at that time.
Was Watson/Selezny working undercover to bring Sacred Seed collective down? Then used Ed Rosenthal to develop his Skunk-man cover and go deeper undercover in Amsterdam?
Did Rosenthal make his fortune from selling our scene to the Dutch due to Reagan drug war policy, which shut down ol skool, and any High Times competitor upstart? At what point did Ed Rosenthal realize that Skunk-man was DEA undercover?
Neiderweit went from shit to shineola with the introduction of the sacred seed collective’s seed bank, now renamed Cultivator’s Choice.
In 1987 Steven Hager was named the new editor for High Times. Operation Green Merchant was also created in 1987 the brainchild of DEA agent Jim Stewart. The target being High Times, and Sensimilla Tips, as well as the blossoming Indoor grow industry. Sensimilla Tips, the all time best grow magazine was put out of business. In 1989, raids were conducted in 46 states on grow shops and wholesalers. The only one to remain unscathed was High Times, amazingly?
Operation Green Merchant worked many angles. One that they pulled off in Hawaii was they opened a grow store in Kona, partied, smoked and got to know some growers,. They offered growers a deal, we will give you seeds, nutrients, what ever you need, you grow the product and bring it here where we will ship it to your people, you collect the money and pay us a share. Only a few went for the deal at first, that went super smooth, all packages arrived safely, monies paid, and the share given to grow shop. 2nd year everyone jumped on board, they busted people from Kona to Brooklyn, You can only imagine the numbers, 100’s of folks lost everything, many went to prison.. Nearly all busted in 46 States came from information seized from High Times and Sensimilla tips, hell all they needed to do was read the magazine, which is how DEA Jim Stewart came up with the idea for Green Merchant, shooting fish in a barrel. At this point was High Times compromised? Or?
In 1987 Hager went to Amsterdam to interview Nevil of the Seed Bank, while there he meets the Skunk-man, who relates tales to him about harvest festivals in Santa Cruz and suggests having a Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam as a yearly event. The Skunk-man spins his web and Hager is taken in, from this point on everything stated by either Skunk-man or his partner Robert C Clarke is taken as fact, Remember Rosenthal is cultivation editor, and Clarke used to write under R. Connoisseur at High Times as well. Hager being a newbie was enthralled by the lies coming from this trio. At this point cannabis history starts to be rewritten by High Times.
In 1988 the first Cannabis Cup was held and lo and behold Cultivators Choice wins for Skunk #1. Imagine what an intelligence bonanza the Cannabis Cup, where every grower comes to judge the best strains and buy seeds. The database created a DEA agent’s wet dream. Funny things started to happen around Amsterdam, seems as if a lot of Cultivators Choice competition were being busted, and even Skunk-man’s own warehouse grows are busted as well but he remained untouched, took his money to Luxemburg and returned to go on, while everyone else went to jail.
In 1990, Nevil Shoenmakers who was also targeted by Green Merchant for his seed bank, was not extradited by Holland but was arrested in Australia, where his lawyer in court records noted that the police had dossier on Nevil as well as everyone who was anyone on the Dutch scene, and that they were complied by Sam Selezny, now known as David Watson AKA Skunk-man. This is public knowledge in Amsterdam, noted by Dutch crime investigator Mario Lap. Lap investigated Selezny/ Watson as well as Ed Rosenthal. Skunkman according to Hager in High Times article sold seeds to Nevil..
You have to wonder if the Cannabis Cup an idea the Skunk-man proposed

, had been an operation of Green Merchant? How best for DEA to get information on growers than to open a seed bank in Holland, create a cannabis cup, and even win the 1st cup awarded?
Every top grower in the world goes to Amsterdam for the Cannabis Cup, a bonanza of information for DEA and law enforcement around the globe. One has to wonder when Rosenthal and Hager realized that Skunk-man was DEA undercover? Without a doubt Skunk-man had his claws in High Times, who printed his every word as if gospel.
Everyone busted but High Times, the smell of sulfur coming to my nose, certainly not true skunk. Had a deal been struck between Government and High Times and so they could remain in business? Since this time much of what has been written by High Times is in fact fantasy made up by the Skunk-man to build up his mystique as well as his cover. The Haze brothers a figment of Skunk-mans imagination, a play created for stoners in order to hype their products. Frankly I shouldn’t blame the Dutch so much for fraud as Skunk-man was the one who taught the Dutch the ropes and they fear him, as we fear DEA here.
It’s beyond question that the Skunk-man has been a source of information to police agencies around the globe.
1994 David Watson/ Selezny was issued a cannabis research license for Hortapharm R & D along with his partner Robert C. Clarke aka R. Connisseur, above legitimate Universities and PHD’s due to the strong endorsement of DEA, instead of extraditing him back to Santa Cruz for that grow bust in 1985? To this day he is one of two companies allowed to import cannabis products into US, and the only supplier licensed by DEA to supply seeds of predictable quality for research. In a 1998 interview in UK Journal, he stated that Hortapharm only wants to produce sterile females, to protect the genetic copyright? He has sent botanist’s around the globe to contaminate and collect inbred landrace strains, in order to confuse origin in order to claim intellectual copyright. Now he claims to have the largest library of medicinal cannabis seeds in the world. In other words he patented the munchie effect amongst others. Wherever you go on the planet you will find skunk gene pool, this is a war crime, to contaminate the original medical strains so as to be able to call them your intellectual property is obscene. Just as the making of Mother Nature’s healing plants illegal is a war crime, so is the research Hortapharm is doing. Instead of extraditing Watson back to Santa Cruz for his 1985 grow bust, he was praised and supported by DEA.
In 1997 the inventor, Reinhard Delp introduced the Ice Water Method at the 97 Cannabis cup and it was off to the races, the most copied and ripped off formula in Cannabis history, and who designed and created the fraud? Skunk-man with Clarke, Mel Frank and High Times. He did this in order to confuse the origin of the patent.
During the 97 Cup Reinhard had offers promising the world for an exclusive license for the method patent pending by “an English Pharmaceutical outfit”, he did a comparison test for them with a bigger machine, where he trashed a Pollinator as to quality and quality, but finally refused the “exclusive” and insisted on real “publishing”, for immediate use for everybody.
At the end of the 97 Cup Hortapharm set up a meeting with Reinhard where Clarke demanded “we can’t publish that” and asked why, responded “the people can not handle it, it is too strong.” Unaware of the “powers” of Hortapharm, the inventor told Clarke that he was full of it and they had a “fall out”. Reinhard never wanted to play monopoly with characters like Hortapharm, Bayer or Monsanto.
The meeting happened at Bill Barth’s place, a much liked, very outspoken fellow, equally unimpressed by Clarke at the meeting. The inventor was later told that Bill passed away in his sleep.

Crazed by their money and the power they had due to their DEA connection,
High Times and most European Cannabis publications in their pocket, Hortapharm’s Watson and Clarke set out to erase the introduction of the Xtractor 420 and the Ice-Water-Method on the 97 Cannabis Cup from Cannabis history. One year later Mila, who just broke a license contract with Reinhard was now the proud owner of the Hemp Hotel, received a government grant to develop her invention and Clarke was marketing Mila and her new invention: the Ice-O-lator. But Mila was stupid enough to sell her “new creation” with the instructions she received with the XTR 420 .
Another glitch in the scam: some journalistic conscience managed to record the event from 1997, simply explaining the new Method in High Times May 98 issue.
In his book Clarke spins the Ice-Water-Method back to the old unsuccessful “Sadu Sam Secret” Recipe, which Ed Rosenthal did not mention anymore in a 96 High-Times article about Hash, even though he was selling the recipe on a 900 fax years earlier.
Clarke streamlined the recipe for his book, cold water became “chilled”, Mila was introduced as the Lady Of Hash and the 1997 XTR 420 was otherwise blacked out of the Media. “No limit”- Skunkman approaches the inventor in e-mails, boasting about 10 000 square meter grows, claimed to have designed Mila’s and the Canadian “Bubble man’s” , Mark Richardson’s inventions and threatens legal action, “prior artwork” and “what have you”.
In May 2009 Reinhard’s financial lifelines grobots.com and icecold.org got busted by the DEA, the company and home vandalized, company inventory destroyed, all private and company money taken. (treatingyourself.com, issue 19 “Update”)
He does not stop to sue them for patent infringement.
Also taken was the Cannabis Collective’s seedbank, ten pounds high quality Cannabis seeds from landrace strains -sounds familiar?

Skunkman stole the method like the strains he had stolen, created GW Pharmaceuticals on the promise of the Ice-Water-Method and hoped to control all cannabis based medicines. In fact Sativex was created from Thai genetics, I wonder how the Thai government feels about that since cannabis has 8400year history as medicine in Thailand?
Watson due to his control of information has been able to pull scam after scam as an endorsement from High Times is all you used to need in this business. He knows that young stoners and medical patients have no cannabis knowledge and that he can sell anything he wants, the frauds have had a tremendous effect on the quality of medicine produced. At the same time he has been a mentor to the Dutch who now play from the same deck of control of information.
I know by now you have reached the WTF moment in this article, how much more stinky is this going to get?
Let’s face it no corporation has more at stake that cannabis continues to be illegal, so that only they can produce cannabis based medicine than GW Pharmaceuticals, now part of Bayer. GW not only bought strains from Hortapharm but also funds botanical research. They paid to collect medicinal strains around the globe while contaminating them with skunk strain to confuse origin. By doing this they legally could shut down all medical grows for infringing on intellectual property of GW and Hortapharm. Does the GW stand for Guy &Watson? When asked now, that GW made it, they inform that Watson and Clarke are no longer with them.
WTF, talk about quantum leap, from being wanted for a grow bust in Santa Cruz, to being the CEO of Hortapharm, with 5 DEA licenses and partners with GW and Bayer.
Dude, not only did the the DEA seedbank win the 1st cannabis cup, but last year Danny Don’t Know, the new cultivation expert at High Times, named the DEA seed-bank Cultivators Choice as the all time greatest seed-bank. Then went on to state that Skunk-man was the founder of Sacred seeds, when that collective can be traced back to shortly after prohibition in 1937. There is no foundation of truth from Danny Don’t Know nor from High Times when it comes to Skunk-man, they were duped, hoodwinked, bamboozled, led down a trail of tears.
From setting up grow shops to operating seed banks in Holland is no quantum leap in information gathering during Operation Green Harvest. Or that some of their assets from that time, continue to provide information to this day.
Worse thing of all is that for the past 22 years or more everything written on cannabis is written in support of frauds these people created. So they have you spending more for growing less. That the quality of cannabis and cannabis seed has gone down from what ol skool medical imports were originally is without doubt. The best cannabis was grown during the golden age of Cannabis 1840-1940, when it was legally farmed for medicinal use, Sacred Seeds sought to preserve those strains.
September 2010, Danny Don’t Know states that High Times has no connection to Skunk-man. Wow has he changed his tune, but is it the truth?
No, Robert C Clarke, partner of David Watson - Skunk-man in Hortapharm and GW Pharmaceuticals, continues to promote fraud.
In a special issue of High Times that basically introduces new products to consumers. Clarke brought the bubble bag fraud full circle again, calling it a new innovative technique, basically using the same information they used when they introduced these frauds in 1998-2000. They have a new generation of young stoners and medical patients with no cannabis knowledge to cheat.
Here are 3 photographs that show the fraud for what it is:

1. Here you see resins glands at bottom of glass, valuable oils and terpenes floating on top, and on top of that water floating, clear separation seen. You lose immediately 30-40% using either 25 or 33 micron catch bag. From this point you should have gone to coffee filter 5 micron, but you don’t make money selling paper coffee filters. Everything about bags works against and retards the Ice Water technique, the US patent was granted in 2000, but for Europe and Canada only in 2006 (!). Every time you add a bag on top of the 2 bag system you can add a dilution, in a 9 bag system you have diluted formula a dozen times. What they neglected to tell you is that Mother Nature does all the work for you. The ice method made sieving and all forms of processing cannabis obsolete.
2. In Clarke’s article he states nylon sieving bags as new innovative technique. Well thank Soumi La Valle for leaving us his great work on Hashish. Here circa 1979 you see a Lebanese cannabis worker holding her 70- micron sieve. This is the final sieve used in making the finest Lebanese hashish, they started with metal window screen to remove seeds and stems and that material they processed threw 3 sizes of nylon sieves the 1st being 150 micron –120 micron-70 micro being the last sieve used to make 00 hashish the finest. . They attached this Lebanese technique to the Ice Method and called it new innovative technique, when reality the Ice method made sieving obsolete. They told you to grind up your material, why? As in the ice water environment leaves become flexible, fiber matter stays intact, and resin glands fall off with simple agitation. What they don’t tell you is that the method releases the oils in trichomes, and that the bags have no way of collecting them, flavor, taste, aroma lost. Clarke calls it a new innovative technique, when sieving of Hashish goes back to Alexander the Great in the Bekaa Valley of Lebanon, and is one of the oldest techniques used by Chinese farmers in Asia going back 1000’s of years, before nylon they used silk, metal sieves were introduced in the 19th century and are still in use in Afghanistan to this day. What’s funny is that all the grow gurus never show you the Lebanese technique, as that would expose the fraud.
3. This is a photo of the back of a Lebanese hash factory and those mounds are leftover cannabis from the hash making process. I can reprocess that left over material, and give you more and better hashish than you made to begin with, because everything under 70 micron was left behind. I can do the same with any material run threw any bag system, flavor, aroma, taste I will recapture using correct technique.
All these years the same people have profited enormously due to the illegality of cannabis.. The very people who claim to be Free Da Weed are actually working to keep it illegal so only they can profit. The learning curves and misinformation these people have put out never ceases to amaze me.
My pal Mark Heinrich who recently did a 2hour interview with Nevil, who is now living in Perth. This interview will appear in TY. Stated that not only had Skunkman written a dossier on him for DEA, but was recently offered a deal from his bail jumping charge from 1990, stemming from Operation Green Merchant. Auzzies would drop charges if Nevil would allow Skunkman access to his genetics, so that he could get their DNA and track crops around the globe. He refused.
The Cannabis Cup has the stink of Skunkman and operation Green Merchant, who knows how many folks have been arrested and sent to prison due to intelligence gathered at the High Times Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam.

 

[Nevil]

My pal Mark Heinrich who recently did a 2hour interview with Nevil, who is now living in Perth. This interview will appear in TY. Stated that not only had Skunkman written a dossier on him for DEA, but was recently offered a deal from his bail jumping charge from 1990, stemming from Operation Green Merchant. Auzzies would drop charges if Nevil would allow Skunkman access to his genetics, so that he could get their DNA and track crops around the globe. He refused.

Chinese whispers! Joe Pietri should confirm his facts before going to print. The quoted statement as written is untrue.
N.

 

[Japanfreak]

Hi All


listen guys it is getting a little old hat this negativity and opinions on things not really so relevant to our mission.

Word!!!!!!

 

[Bambi]

Chinese whispers! Joe Pietri should confirm his facts before going to print. The quoted statement as written is untrue.
N.

Hi Nev - and mate - better late than nevil at all !!!

ha'' - ive been dieing to get that one out there, i bet you get that alot from the boys accross the tasman atleast,'

 

[Nevil]

The thing is, what you focus on, you get more of. Yes, it is important to be aware of the negative agenda's that are clearly going on, but that's out there now. There is enough information available for people to make a choice about who and what to support.
Me, I'm choosing for the Nice side and I have my focus on my quest. I don't wish to give my energy to negative causes. Let Joe Pietri and Monsanto Sam battle it out.
N.

 

[Japanfreak]

Also there is nothing wrong without choosing sides people. I left behind skins or shirts in the 5th grade, that is unless of course it's in person in which case skins.

 

[TomHill]

JessE, oh JessE,

Believe me I've read it all. It's because I've read it that I know it is absolute dribble and a waste of time.

I know you have some company on this, but from Joe to Marco it is extremely poor company.

You clowns threw out the trawl net as bottom feeders do, and came back with a big fat donut evidence wise. I know it's a serious matter, and because of its seriousness, having zero hard evidence, men of honor would have kept their pie-holes on standby. This concept seems to have escaped you entirely. Jeeze, even the national enquirer has the gumption to at least falsify a few pics of three-headed aliens and the like.

You're coming in loud and clear over here JessE, now hear this - I am not concerned about what some self-appointed gossip columnist/propaganda pooper thinks about me, not in the slightest.-Tom

 

[SiCKb0Y]

Class act post...period. I'm very proud of how you hold yourself Shanti and a post like this really gives people a clear representation of the man you are. A man can never hide the character of being genuine....and you sir, give respect and deserve nothing but the same. Much love

Sick

Hi All


listen guys it is getting a little old hat this negativity and opinions on things not really so relevant to our mission.

We are all different. We are equal . We are all entitled to our own opinions. But we are also judged on how we communicate with each other especially how we discuss topics we are not in agreement in. So imagine you are all in the Queen of Englands tea room and she is in the back ground mingling...got the image...now speak to each other knowing man is judge on content and civility, humility and intellect.

People have bashed all of the crew numerous times at MNS...it is our problem to address not anyone else...but thank you all for making us aware of things. In the same breathe we are all ghrown up and can deal with what comes in front of us. I always believe to beat an enemy it is easier to hug them than shoot at them...so please let me do my work and sort out the grow stories and hicups and new testing etc...rather than go down historic meandering into a futile valley where the heros and enemies look all the same.

I wish guys like all of you on this thread got together and shared some points that helped you become so knowledgeable for the benefit of the younger community looking on from the shadows and boy there are a lot.So please for my benefit agree to disagree NICEly....bless you all Sb

 

[wildflowers]

Regarding Sam,

Let's see,

He must be guilty, he somehow got the job I wish I had and I can't otherwise explain it.

He must be guilty, otherwise he would have certainly sued for liable.

He maid bail, oooh, that's really bizarre. He brought a crapload of seed across the pond - oh my god hold the press, something must be up.

To busy to look it all up but rest assured I've wasted too much time on this absolute dribble.

Does anybody care to wake the fuck up and realize that this shit wouldn't even fly on FOX news?

I am ashamed to say that some of these slanderous POS's actually live in my own back yard.

Like our friend Pete here, they've had their feelings hurt as sometimes happens when the truth comes tumbling down the pipe, and they are lashing out plain and simple.

They sure as hell are not fooling me with any of these 3rd grade tactics, I hope and pray that they don't make fools out of any of you either. Best of luck -T

th,you first screw my rep page and started arguing with more friends against me,people like raco who already started messing on one thread on c.cafe.

for me what is missing with you is a mask and a gun,if i talked bad to your friends it is cause of their words and the fact you don't seems to be handling this alone,this with the fact you snitch me back have me thinking

your intentions were really bad,and i still think so.I don't want talk more about it.l have no guns,i hate that shit ,if i sent treats to raco he well deserved it.you will have been more mart to pm me ,and now you continue doing what you've tried to do.

"we are really scraping the bottom of humanity's barrel with this one here" go back with your pure female alienating the baboo's creek (no racial intentions here) on icmag ,i can't criticize your work cause for me you never done anything.

since i logged once on icmag "for limited",if that's sounds to you like 1005 times,then i probably did well.

and to show you what an atitude should be,l apologized for this but i never looked for you first,you did it on me.thanks for letting me knows the so short limits of this guy gypsy nirvana and their psycho mods.raco was right it was good to be banned from there,that is why i insisted,l first tried to close the account but it didn't work.

l prefer to stop arguing for and in regard to the forum.specially cause cubing goes with mixing pollen and I was not that wrong,and yes again most of the first ch9 were backcrosed 3 times,but i responded mixing pollen cause i thaught it was the most important point of it,anyway 2007-8 released were the fruits of line 2006-7 produced,some may have been backcrosed 3 to 4 times.

 

[wildflowers]

Hi Tom,
It is unfortunate that you come to our forum with the negative attitude. You have exactly three post, and at least two of them are bringing an attitude from Icmag that is unwanted at MNS. In the future I hope you refrain from such a negative stance in your postings here, as it will simply not be tolerated.

Above was your first post on the forum, in fact the first few words you muttered before bringing trash to the forum that you readily admitted you knew was unwanted to begin with. Way to go!


[/B]

well said.

 

[TomHill]

"go back with your pure female"

Pete,

I did not bother with this dribble in your previous posts because, once again, you have no clue.

While most of the rest were happy to use the term "true female", I was voicing my thoughts on it being over-simplified etc.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=137117

Run along now and get caught-up before you try put words in my mouth that you don't even understand.-T

 

[wildflowers]

"go back with your pure female"

Pete,

I did not bother with this dribble in your previous posts because, once again, you have no clue.

While most of the rest were happy to use the term "true female", I was voicing my thoughts on it being over-simplified etc.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=137117

Run along now and get caught-up before you try put words in my mouth that you don't even understand.-T

you also wrote on that reputation I was taking advantage on people,find one person with a legit. claim and he will be refunded,i have great feedbacks so far with the site .go find one line of argument on the icmag ch9 forum to see.

you speak with your native language and pardon me but i keep forgeting it every day,i have the nausea reading the poverty and your willingness, so agresive indeed.i will not look a your link i'm a tired at reading you.

""While most of the rest were happy to use the term "true female","" i won't continue with such poor arguments,making people happy does not mean you are right about it.

 

[wildflowers]

Hi All


listen guys it is getting a little old hat this negativity and opinions on things not really so relevant to our mission.

We are all different. We are equal . We are all entitled to our own opinions. But we are also judged on how we communicate with each other especially how we discuss topics we are not in agreement in. So imagine you are all in the Queen of Englands tea room and she is in the back ground mingling...got the image...now speak to each other knowing man is judge on content and civility, humility and intellect.

People have bashed all of the crew numerous times at MNS...it is our problem to address not anyone else...but thank you all for making us aware of things. In the same breathe we are all ghrown up and can deal with what comes in front of us. I always believe to beat an enemy it is easier to hug them than shoot at them...so please let me do my work and sort out the grow stories and hicups and new testing etc...rather than go down historic meandering into a futile valley where the heros and enemies look all the same.

I wish guys like all of you on this thread got together and shared some points that helped you become so knowledgeable for the benefit of the younger community looking on from the shadows and boy there are a lot.So please for my benefit agree to disagree NICEly....bless you all Sb

so..I rather agreeing ,we dont need to be friend of one forum to agree after all.thanks for the super haze.we estimate you a lot here.Life is a "passage" and sometimes it is good too to tell your point and stand up for your ideas,you can't please all,those judging you,at the first degree,without knowing you or the whole story, for your responses due to the influences, are really not a big loss,and I don't regret anything.

 

[wildflowers]

t. hill

"To this day you sign-up over there for no apparent reason other than to let me know 1005 different ways about how you're going to kill me etc"

I did not thaught you were a liar too,I realised you don't like the way I name myself pete,you don't like what I do ,you don't like my reaction and you want me to get caught up,you act with the same intensity to hurt me.Are you just a hater?

Why don't you sell good seeds? why don't you assume more what you do and open a site,why your seeds are not in a dispensaries?

Why are you escaping saying we have no clue .

"I drove terror to Hearted people at icmag" you meant those writing I should be banned,how much were you 6-8 ?

Send me one single evidence of deaths threats I sent you, do it fast or remove the words you wrote or you will have me until the end of your life behind your ass .

All these things you do in front of me have me thinking you are a real snitch.sorry it is important and I don't want be victim of your fear anymore.
hill ,you are a charlatan and a bad comteur ,this is it.

they should never tolerate a guy like you in Mendocino and you have nothing from Mendo,you're too busy dealing with autorities selling boring pot,after 25 years in mendo and pages on breeding what you sell is a plant stupid landrace from your friend "the chemist" noboddy cares or keep.People I talked too about your seeds were laughing plain,it has been a pure lost of time.Hopefully some will open they eyes about the poor men and hater that you are tom hill.

The reason why you are saying ,pete the way you name yourself is obviously cause you asked for my name and you seek infos ,things you are accusing me of doing,you will not have any problems with gypsy for this right?

Gypsy is ok but limited,he surely agree with you first when you jump on my back,gypsy is a kind of guy to invite 500 people and not showing up at his NL meeting,or telling you,you seems down when you have a bad time,or letting his asociate with a big grow in NL getting caught when he is 1000 miles away,pretending he went to jail etc..I have nothing to hear from this person. him and his "always look on the bright side of life" may not be enough all the time.

I grew some of the square seeds you distributed,and never anymore.

And this ic forum one day the mod tells you no address exchange, the other day you must share seeds etc, they will drive nuts any decent persons,I was banned due to the link I left of my site and gypsy did not like it,he was happy to buy 15000 seeds he sold quite quikly indeed at 1 euros a piece.See how they spoke to Michelle Rayney a few months before she passed the way etc.Never I would like to moderate something.

I have seen heroe in Mendocino like David Moore,or the first practicians prescribing pot,I shared an appartment with Milan Hopkins he was the first and alone,to hook up patients with a lifetime card.Rihard white, ect these people definatly have something of mendo that is seriously lacking from you hater than you are! I beleive the whole united states is suffering from people with similar atitude and see where you are at now,with a small economy.
You would like to speak with words I don't understand ,where is your point then ,come and speak in another language to see where you are at.I am unsure who is lashing plain and was touched as you said,you seems to have too much fear to be legit.

you would like me to beleive that what you ve done was neutral ,when you wrote I was misleading people ,what else now,you got me banned,you got my forum closed,what else you need? you want show a messages I sent after your drama? after you and 6-8 people come to mess on me the best you could,on 2 forums indeed,will you do a copy and paste to see the "bassese" you can drive people into?

what ever is your response,"the You have no clue,its an absolute dribble and a waste of time" or I put myself into this alone...be sure of one thing it is cause of atitude like yours that I decided to leave forums,I am sick at this and those legitimate or not complaining of one herma while they give products they don't even know,etc

and l don't have any drama going on like a new company will drive specially for some fem seeds,l can even say it has totally stopped .

 

[Apollo]

The real breeder of SKUNK # 1Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:57 am


This thread has nothing to do with sativex and its US testing relating to Sam the Skunk man. the post below is taken from a friend of MENDOCINO JOE, who was the actual breeder of Skunk #1...

Isn't is simply amazing, that Sam the Skunkman ( a junior member of the collective of Sacred Seeds) was the sole creator of Skunk # 1 (with only limited grows under his belt - according to him). Isn't also amazing, how after being pinched, he made bail faster than everyone else, then was able to revisit the grow site and retrieve, plants, seeds, equipment...etc.... just hours after the fuzz tore the place apart.........
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Then isn't it also amazing, he was allowed to leave the US so easily just a short time later. Having effectively, helped shut down Sacred Seeds, while at the same time, becoming a Breeding Rock Star and the " Guy in Charge / Head Breeder / Sole Creator of Skunk # 1 ". Hmmm.....
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Does that sound reasonable to you. Well, back in the day (mid 70's to be exact), when I was much younger, much bolder and much more foolish - I used to excercise certain aquatic skills, promoting free trade between Mexico and the US. I delivered valuble products all up and down the coast of Cali, to Cool Cats and Traveling Roadies......
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Because of this special part time gig, I got to meet lot's of interesting people. Mendacino Joe, being one of them. He was always looking for that special strain to blend into his genetic pool and create the ultimate strain. Was he the sole breeder involved, NO, did he do most of the work, YES. So, that is why I tend to give him most of the praise. NOT Sam the Skunkman......
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Just read what Joe Pietri has to say on the subject. Not flattering to Sam, but true.......

Marco Renda,
The editor of Treating youself magazine had this to say....
Joe Pietri is NO RAT! I have to laugh if that is what Sam The Skunkman is saying. Sam The Skunkman threatened SKUNK MAGAZINE that if they publish the 2nd part of his article where he outs Sam that he will make sure that SKUNK loses all of their Dutch advertisers! Now after hearing this from both Joe and the Editor of SKUNK I decided to run the COMPLETE article in TY issue # 17 which will be available in a couple of weeks. Now although I don't agree 100% with Joe Pietri I do believe in FREE SPEACH and Sam wants folks only to hear his side of things. If Joe Pietri was a RAT he would be dead by now don't you think? Joe has the respect of many in the industry and we all believe that EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion.

Take Care and Peace
Marco

Sam the Skunkman is worried. An honest man does not need to make such threats.
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Did Sam forget the golden rule in Mary circles : " There are no secrets, Only stuff we know now, and the stuff we'll know later."
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Sounds like his guilty conscience, is generating a self preservation reaction.

According to Sam, he arrived in Holland in 84, but according to a book I read by a Dutch criminologist called Frank Bovenkerk, it was 85. Old Ed arrived in 78, but I doubt he brought any Skunk with him. When Sam arrived and showed the Skunk line to Eddy Reekeder, Neville Schoenmaekers and Ben Dronkers, they were stunned and had to cough up a huge wad of cash to get their hands on it. If it had been in Holland prior to this, they wouldn't have been shocked by it's quality compared to the Dutch grown Nederwiet and the imported weed they had back then.

Before Sam arrived, Neville was selling seeds picked from coffeeshop imports such as Colobian Gold, Nigerian, Thai and Jamaican, plus a few other things that he dropepd after getting his hands on the better quality US genes. SSSC were a collective based in Maastricht and I don't think they were around in 82. The one seed company that I can think of that was around in 82 besides Neville's The Seedbank (which was only established in 82) was Wernard Bruining's Lowlands Seed/Weed Co that later became Positronics, Old Ed was a collaborator in this venture, so it would be a good idea to ask Wernard by email if they had any Skunk in 82, I don't think they did tho. So it's likely that your guy either picked up something else in 82 or didn't pick up the Skunk till a couple of years later, as in 82 the only people selling Skunk seeds that we know of for sure was Sacred Seeds in the US, and they were busted that year. It was a long time ago and memory is a transient thing, so gettign the year wrong is understandable.

I only posted Sam's comment to illustrate his opinion on Joe. I've read The King of Nepal and Joe didn't come across as a particularly likeable character to me, but to have worked in the business he did, where your honesty and honour are crucial would sugegst he was indeed not a rat. Sam's comment has to be taken in the context of the lawsuit issued by joe against Mila and others against their commercialisation of the water hash method.
It's getting to the point where hard facts need to be posted, it's all fine and well folks saying things that are controversial, and I don't have much doubt about the fact that Sam did some dodgy things, but while it's reasonable to suggest that the way he got away from the Sacred Seeds bust and made it to Holland with 250,000 seeds in tow suggests some dodgy dealings with US LEO, it would be much better to be able to present some hard and fast facts. Can anyone actually find any info on the Sacred Seeds bust? Was there anything in High Times about it? (Danny Danko should be able to help here) Where was the bust? Was it local police, state police or a Federal agency that carried out the bust? It must be fairly easy to obtain information pertaining to the case as the US has a Freedom of Information Act. Also, the people arrested in the bust will have been to court, so the court records are out there somewhere, the arrest records too, some proper investigation needs to be done.

If we're gonna go after Sam by writing highly negative pieces about him and his actions, it is important to arm ourselves with some real ammunition as he can just shrug off stuff said by people that jives with his story, but he can't do anything to dispute hard facts.

~ A final word from the the Editor of Treating Yourself Magazine Marco Renda,

I can assure you that if the statements made by Joe Pietri in his Skunk Magazine article were false, I am confident that Sam The Skunkman would have sued Joe for Liebel!

Joe isn't suing anyone it's the person that originally came up with the water extraction meathod that is doing the suing. As a matter of fact this person has already won in court in Germany and anyone selling ice water extraction bags there has to pay a fee on each bag sold. The other thing is Mila states that the Bubbleman stole her idea when it wasn't even hers to begin with LOL.

I know 1 thing about Joe as I have met with him on several occassions over the past couple of years and he sure has some fine hash and can smoke like a fiend!

Danny wouldn't have an idea as he wasn't even working with HT when all this went down

Take Care and Peace
Marco

Here is a very telling post from Shantibaba that adds weight to the anti-Sam argument:

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Now to clear up the story and myths that go around, due mainly to people in the industry(other seed companies) who are more interested in making money than giving information that is correct. Haze brothers worked on the Haze’s and they did get to Sam and Nevil(owner of THE SEEDBANK…and then Ben Dronkers retailed Nevils strains under the label of SENSI SEEDBANK after Nevil had some jail time in Australia .Nevil was the first Seed Bank or company to exist in Holland so his legendary strains such as Northern lights 5, Ultra skunk , Nl5 Haze, Early pearl , Early girl, Shiva Skunk….and so on became the basis for a lot of offspring seed companies that followed in the 90s.



A fuckin Men... I got banned at ICMAG for posting the truth, To hell with them, I'm glad I found the real breeders.
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[medmanbrand]

Skunk-scam Sam lol