lifetime Icmag member gets banned

Ive actually only been banned from icmag, and riots site. None of it was due to what he claims.

matt let me sell a few (literally 3) packs of seeds from his site, until I sent him cuts and bunch of seeds from my collection, then quickly revoked his word and took my seeds off the site, and in the process stiffed me on cuts he promised to send.
I sent all packs out myself and personally checked with customers to make sure they received. so I know everyone got what was sent.. He was pissed I didnt send them to him to send out. The reason I sent them personally is bc riot has had issues sending things out in the past. I wanted to make sure he didnt rip off any customers and pass the blame to me.

Riot burnt me on some things, than made me out to look like i was ripping off members of his site, and then goes on to slander my name and make it appear that he saved the day by banning me.. I didnt rip off neone. Riot made a deal with me and never came thru his end. This is petty bs, and the only reason im replying to his childish comments, is to set the record straight. I could care less about the club cuts he was supposed to send me, bc of the few strains Ive grown of his I didnt find any of it was worthy material. These were a couple females the he considers grail, and holds in his stable for breeding. There subpar genetics, hyped up by a few good pictures, and sold at outrageous prices. other than his bunk reg strains he has a few dozen fem strains. We all have seen the tactics.. Different toilet, same shit! He will admit he is only selecting from MAX- 5 plants when hes breeding, He admits hes a pollen chucker, but hes gonna charge u $200 for 6 seeds.. Get fucked kid.

He can say all the BS he wants anyone thats ever dealt with me knows im more than legit, and Ive been doing my part to preserve and get good genetics to ppl that need them most. Look at his track record. He sells untested, over hyped, subpar genetics, at $200+/pack. His customers are getting not only auto flowering plants from reg seed, but autoflowering hermis.. U tell me whos screwing who.

A long time ago, riot, I asked you if it was cool to breed using parents from fem seed. You told me, "sure I do it all the Time". Well I think thats coming back to bite u in the ass now, eh???

I apologize to shanti, nevil and other members of this site that have had to read this bs. I just want to set the record straight as riot has done all he can to bash, and slander me on his site, and any other forum goers who will listen to his garbage.. Then censors the truth and bans me from his crap site so the members are of course going to believe he did no wrong, and im the bad guy. It really doesnt matter bc Ive done more for the community since I woke up this morning than he has done in all his years. Ive gifted, and created so many seeds for ppl FREE. These are stable, pure genetics that ive been growing/testing/ and working for years. Hes nothing more than a pollen chucker that makes a living by taking advantage of unsuspecting growers. Im done with the subject, its lame and like I said, not productive. I dont have time for it. I apologize again, this is my last comment on this matter.
 
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i just visited riotseeds site and i must say i never heard of one of the strains presented, and the prices :eek: 110$ for 6 seeds ? 200$ for 10 seeds ? :eek: WTF ? even soma kushadelic fems is not so expenssive and god knows soma seeds are... what a scam for just fem seeds....and i bet the regular lines are just hybrids of hybrids...
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lmfao @ them high prices for hermie ,,, oops i meen fem seeds

hey matthewriot if i wuz you id keep a low profile and NOT post in ANY forum !

your being active is only going to draw attention to actual growers and breaders who will in turn call you out for being a POLLEN CHUCKER at best who is trying to pawn off seeds any N00B grower could accidentally create

take your rip off site and shove it up your ass before SOMEONE exploits it and you lose your host

and STOP posting here you con artist GOOF !
 
there was a time in the not too distant past when i was constantly on the prowl for the latest and greatest in the world of genetics and thus, i would probably be privy to details of this spat between mathewriot and guerilla family. today, i can safely say i have no idea who either of them are and i make that statement with a bit of pride cause it demonstrates to me at least, just how far i have managed to withdraw from that seed scene. and with just a bit of luck i may never have to return because after a decade of experimentation using hundreds of strains from nearly as many breeders, i've managed to reach conclusions on what works best for me as well as the means to acquire such. and i wish the same for you. peace-biteme
 
This whole thread is the biggest load of ignorant whining Bullsheit i have read here..it appears to me as tho some whiny trouble makin arseholes have invaded an otherwise peaceful place driving a big truck of stinking horse shit i personally for one see no need for such retarded senseless and childish bickering and I for one wish you would take it back to icmag or where ever the hell it and you came from so hop back in your shit truck and drive it somewhere else because there are mostly mature acting adults who participate in this forum and not the place for such ignorant wankers to come and have a whos cock is bigger parade..to quote trailor park boys "FUCK OFF"

PS: If you must continue with this why not take it to the chat room
or PM each other so people with some sense dont have to see or read it!!
 
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G`day Ed
Mate don`t beat around the bush ,tell em how you really feel ! Seriously tho I have to back up what Eddie is sayin . Personal feuds played out in public are tedious and ugly .And yes chat or PM would be a better option than a game of he said she said ! That bullshit reminds me of my teenage son ,and his underdeveloped adolescent brain capacity .
Either do some growing up, or take the opportunity to combine sex an travell .................. an FUCK OFF !
That is all
Elmer Bud .
 
I do wish I was here under other circumstances Shanti, my apologies.

This is one of those no good deed going unpunished deals, lol.

Pete (Wildflowers) from ch9 fem seeds,

I once gave you positive karma but you didn't like the message that came with it. I pointed out to you privately that you were mistaken about the term cubing. You were posting on the web that cubing simply meant "mixing pollen" and this "cubing" was supposedly the backbone of your breeding program. It was no big deal to me, I was trying to help you out and save you the public embarrassment (your backpedaling would have gone over much worse there - trust me) of somebody with less tact uncovering your ignorance on the matter.

You took this personally, and loosing control of your emotions you ended up dishing out explicit and repeated death threats to me and some friends of mine. You even went so far as to seek out personal email addresses, as well as the physical location of friends - accompanying this info with your threats. Let's cut the bullshit here Pete, you got hurt, and were trying to drive terror into folks hearts over it. Where I come from we tend to take this kind of thing rather seriously. So yes, you bet your ass I let admin know the nature of this irate and volatile scumbag that they were dealing with.

This, and only this is what makes me a "snitch" in his eyes folks (Right Pete?), and I really couldn't care less.

To this day you sign-up over there for no apparent reason other than to let me know 1005 different ways about how you're going to kill me etc. Get a hold of yourself man. I'm sorry you found out some of this shit the hard way, that you were too proud to learn, that you can't be bothered with "long breeding tecnic", and that your covers were yanked all to hell over it. But you certainly did your part in making it all happen exactly that way.

This pretty much sums up the story of me and this angry lunatic here that calls himself Pete and why his chump-ass was banned over there. This guy, well, we are really scraping the bottom of humanity's barrel with this one here.

Best wishes and good luck to you all otherwise, it's good to see you.

And no, I have never been a meth user of any kind. -Tom
 
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this were bloody funny indeed'' - thanks for the amusement im still grinning hardcore..
 
Getting back to the thread about sam s/man though, like another member has stated accordingly that Benifit of the doubt is justified in this case as it is in many others,

I myself have been put in same or simillar circumstances with the law for along time now, a nark or rat as they say in nyc, must be proven guilty by way of sighned statements or other documents that will still be there if there at all,? taking away a mans rep without proof is nasty mean,especially if hes proven innocent,

Why upon release did he go straight back to the gro op for i read, well i no i would do the exact same thing, the bust was over and the cops are not going to return once there happy with what they got anyhow, i fail to see how this makes sam look guilty, i dont know him either, im just saying how things can pan out sometimes, perhaps he offered the cops alot of money to make early bail, i would to, who wouldent'', infact id get the fuck out of dodge also, why gro in a region or country that knows what your upto or about, and obviously didnt want to go to jail, again who does!!!
 
Regarding Sam,

Let's see,

He must be guilty, he somehow got the job I wish I had and I can't otherwise explain it.

He must be guilty, otherwise he would have certainly sued for liable.

He maid bail, oooh, that's really bizarre. He brought a crapload of seed across the pond - oh my god hold the press, something must be up.

To busy to look it all up but rest assured I've wasted too much time on this absolute dribble.

Does anybody care to wake the fuck up and realize that this shit wouldn't even fly on FOX news?

I am ashamed to say that some of these slanderous POS's actually live in my own back yard.

Like our friend Pete here, they've had their feelings hurt as sometimes happens when the truth comes tumbling down the pipe, and they are lashing out plain and simple.

They sure as hell are not fooling me with any of these 3rd grade tactics, I hope and pray that they don't make fools out of any of you either. Best of luck :) -T
 
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Getting back to the thread about sam s/man though, like another member has stated accordingly that Benifit of the doubt is justified in this case as it is in many others,

I myself have been put in same or simillar circumstances with the law for along time now, a nark or rat as they say in nyc, must be proven guilty by way of sighned statements or other documents that will still be there if there at all,? taking away a mans rep without proof is nasty mean,especially if hes proven innocent,

Why upon release did he go straight back to the gro op for i read, well i no i would do the exact same thing, the bust was over and the cops are not going to return once there happy with what they got anyhow, i fail to see how this makes sam look guilty, i dont know him either, im just saying how things can pan out sometimes, perhaps he offered the cops alot of money to make early bail, i would to, who wouldent'', infact id get the fuck out of dodge also, why gro in a region or country that knows what your upto or about, and obviously didnt want to go to jail, again who does!!!
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Were is SAM any way ? He seams to have gone MIA i am not going to say a bad ward towards SAM but did he not go MIA around the time Neville started posting ?.

For years i read complete bull shit and nasty slander directed towards Neville and now that Neville's here many that did the slandering are trying to ride his coat tails yea yea denier it like i give a flying rats i am so over the 2 face crap in this community say it as you see it be up front and honest if people believed Sams lies about Neville be man and admit it say you were wrong apologize and move forward but dont do what Italy did and played on both teams in WW2

Honestly i sat back read it for years defended Neville even if i didnt know the guy as did many like Neville needs defending but it was more about keeping things honest as he had done a lot yet some felt it was fine to post what they wanted well look at things now Neville rides into town and who vanishes karmas a real bitch and a bitch you cant tame.


Nice to see you tom.
 
Hey Tom good to see you here, shame it wasnt under different circumstances.
Hope you are hanging around for a bit.....not so busy here:D
 
TomHill said:
Regarding Sam,

Let's see,

He must be guilty, he somehow got the job I wish I had and I can't otherwise explain it.

He must be guilty, otherwise he would have certainly sued for liable.

He maid bail, oooh, that's really bizarre. He brought a crapload of seed across the pond - oh my god hold the press, something must be up.

To busy to look it all up but rest assured I've wasted too much time on this absolute dribble.

Does anybody care to wake the fuck up and realize that this shit wouldn't even fly on FOX news?

I am ashamed to say that some of these slanderous POS's actually live in my own back yard.

Like our friend Pete here, they've had their feelings hurt as sometimes happens when the truth comes tumbling down the pipe, and they are lashing out plain and simple.

They sure as hell are not fooling me with any of these 3rd grade tactics, I hope and pray that they don't make fools out of any of you either. Best of luck :) -T
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Hi Tom,
It is unfortunate that you come to our forum with the negative attitude. You have exactly three post, and at least two of them are bringing an attitude from Icmag that is unwanted at MNS. In the future I hope you refrain from such a negative stance in your postings here, as it will simply not be tolerated.

Originally posted by Tom Hill
I do wish I was here under other circumstances Shanti, my apologies.
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Above was your first post on the forum, in fact the first few words you muttered before bringing trash to the forum that you readily admitted you knew was unwanted to begin with. Way to go!

So are we to infer that you have respect for Shanti, even though you're shitting on his forum? If so, why would you write such an ignorant and hateful post above? Either you have no respect for Shanti, or you simply have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and are thus simply making a huge ass out of yourself.

Do you know who the first person was to publicly post information surrounding Sam the Skunk mans involvement with the Drug Enforcement Administration online? Thats right, Shantibaba! Do you realize how long Sam the Skunk man was operating online before Shanti's article surfaced at the italian forum (which I originally found and brought to Icmags attention before being banned for warning the community of this information and more?) Years! So its ironic that you pretend to have respect for Shanti, yet Shanti was the first one to publicly address the "800 pound" gorilla online! The very topic you're so ignorantly dismissing!

I personally have a great deal of respect for Shanti bringing up a subject publicly that apparently NOBODY wanted to address. Having been on these forums long before there was a Tom Hill seed bank, I can remember many years when Sam the Skunk man took complete credit for nearly everything in the industry, usually at the expense of Nevil and others! For many years Nevil's contributions were diminished, told in half truths and worse yet even straight lies! While the Skunk man was made out to be a god! Nowhere to be found was information suggesting Sam the Skunk man was perhaps not entirely honest about his work and contributions to the industry. There were few, if any, detractors, and especially at forums like icmag (your icmag Tom) the Skunk man ruled supreme!

Nevil's entire life was impacted, with no going backs or restarts like in a video game, by his plight with the American and Australian law enforcement system with direct ties to the Drug Enforcement Administration. The same DEA Sam the Skunk man can be tied too and the same subject you're so foolishly point too today! If this is something that you take lightly Tom Hill, something that you fail to fully comprehend in the context of the seriousness of the discussion you've chosen to address here today, then you will no doubt respond back in a much more respect tone by the end of this response. As this is no laughing matter nor a subject you're going to mock when its among the most serious topics in cannabis prohibition history. Or we will have to question what your true motives are!

Below is a link to a thread which details the post I originally found while researching the Skunk man and posted at Icmag before it covered up by Icmag administration and I was banned. I would recommend reading the entire thread. This write up from Shanti was the first public mention of the subject, though a few of us had heard rumors privately for years.

The Truth
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=2868&page=3

When Shantibaba, among the most important figures in the cannabis industry today feels a subject is worth addressing, to diminish it as "3rd grade tactics" exhibits either a grave misunderstanding of the situation or a blind eye to the dark reality that is before you!

Originally posted by Tom Hill
He must be guilty, otherwise he would have certainly sued for liable.

He maid bail, oooh, that's really bizarre. He brought a crapload of seed across the pond - oh my god hold the press, something must be up.
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Skunk man making bail is hardly bizarre, but denying he was arrested and having a radio station talk to the Sheriff who arrested you is a bit bizarre dont you think Tom?

I infact spoke with the radio station VPRO, and confirmed Shanti's write up of a program airing about Skunk man back in the late '90s and the fact they had investigated what kind of man got the licenses that he did in Holland. They had a completely different opinion on the information presented above in this topic by Shanti, myself and others who contributed to the discussion in their various forms.

So a professional broad cast crew in Holland, the leading breeder in the cannabis industry in Shanti are slanderous pieces of Shit? That is pretty big words for someone who has did exactly zero research and has brought nothing to the table but shitting on a mans forum you pretend to have respect for! Or were you simply addressing me, the guy who brought this to the forums attention at Icmag, thinking the community may be interested in deciding for themselves whether the danger is real or imagined? Exactly who do you think you are to make that decision for everyone else Tom Hill?

I put a great deal of research, time and effort into this subject and defended my research unlike others. For you to come to this forum and shit on that, when it involves the freedom and peace of mind of thousands of growers around the globe shows a complete lack of understanding of what you're addressing.


Below is a link to a page detailing the information surrounding the radio station, all are now and have been free to read it for themselves and make up their own minds. This information was not pulled out of the thin blue air, as some would like to believe, but in fact is a very real subject which deserves respect!

VPRO
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=2761&page=13

So now that we've established with a very basic over view there is ample ground to stand on involving a subject you so ignorantly dismiss with absolutely no research of your own to provide, we address information which should alarm anyone who reads it.

And below is another piece, from a completely different source in Holland on the Skunk man published by HP/De Tijd on 5-12-97.
Thanks to Uncle Sam​


After 1985 de quality of Nederwiet improved tremendously. Currently "our" wiet is considered to be the best. Is that because of Sam Selezny, alias David Watson, the super breeder from the states? Or is he under orders?

Report: Bas Barkman and Gert Hage
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It was a lovely day, spring 1985, when a heavily built American landed at Schiphol airport. He wore glasses, his long blond hair kept together wih an elastic band. Without problems he passed customs and shortly afterwards received a warm welcome from another equally heavily built American.

Seemingly nothing special, certainly not in the crowded arrivals area of an airport. No one could have known that the lugage of the ponytailed man contained a box full of seeds- Cannabis seeds.

The box was the reason for Sam Selezny's trip to Holland. He was here by invitation from two pioneers in the weedgrowing industry. Two companions: Michael Taylor and Wernard Bruining, the owner of the first coffeeshop in Amsterdam. Although they already grew some nederwiet, the quality of it was not particulairly special, the knowledge they possessed of growing wasn't extensive enough.

During that time in Holland, there were probably no more than three big growing sites, covering a total a maximum of two thousand square meters. In coffeeshops Marrocan hash was still the most popular.

Sam Selezny, the super grower from the states, as Taylor had announced him to Bruining, would change this.

It proved to be true. Hardly three months after his arrival the first harvest from Fat Sam's seeds could be smoked. The connoisseurs where excited, the wiet tasted good, with a "high" high.


Hardly anyone knew at that time, especially not in Holland, that Sam Selezny, who in Holland presented himself mainly under the name David Watson, was arrested on the 20th of march that same year in Santa Cruz, California.


It was nine years later in the summer of 1994, when Mario Lap, at that time working for the Dutch Alcohol and Drugs Institute, tapped Hedy D'acona on the shoulder in Brussels.
"Hedy, can you tell me why you provided David Watson with a license (to grow)?" Lap asked the newly appointed MEP and former minister of Health. Lap had only just before that found out, to his utter astonishment, that Watson, who he only knew by the name of Selezny, was granted a license to grow marijuana for scientific purposes.
Why on earth Watson, a man with what he had heard a shady past in the states as illegal grower, a man who also had been detained and who certainly was not a scientist?
And why not the Academic Medical Center in Amsterdam, which had been after a license for years to research the medical workings of the plant?
MEP D"Ancona didn't know.

The ministry itself couln't provide Lap with any clearance on the licence which had been granted on 16th of september 1994, signed by "plaatsvervangend" director general of health, Drs RJ Samsom.

Lap; "I couldn't find out how it had happened. Very strange. A bit scary too."


In two big greenhouses in Rijsenhout, a village near Schiphol airport, the process was already under way to develop a cannabis plant with a high THC content, which in due course could be used as a basis for medicine. Or rather, it was on those terms that, after years of negotiating, the license was granted.
Three years, with limiting conditions; only chemical analytical research, not more than 10 grams of THC and a spotless administration.

The office and lab of Hortapharm are based in Schinkelhavenkade in Amsterdam. A little green building, a big window which in the evenings is covered with a steel sliding door. Inside it smells of fresh wiet. David Watson is on his guard. He wants to talk, but demands the final say on every sentence written about his firm. It is the end of September and Watson is waiting for the decision on the renewal of his license. "I want to continue with my research" he says, "I cannot use any publicity which might be possibly disadvantageous to my business.

He is startled when he hears we know the location of his greenhouse. "There are millions worth of plants and apparatus, no one is allowed to know."

Hanging on the wall behind him are 5 licences, granted by the DEA, a worldwide operating organization, whose task it is to fight drugs.

Watson doesn't receive his longed for renewal of his license.

The ministry announces at the end of September that, since the minister forbids the medical supply of cannabis, a license to grow cannabis is no longer in line with the health ministries' policies. Besides that, during repeated inspections of Hortapharm, it was found the Admin was not run according to the requirements. The decision is definite, the two locations where hortapharm is based have to close their doors. On 29 October the Ministery confirms their decision in writing to Hortapharm: The head officials of Justice in Haarlem and Amsterdam have been informed of the fact the license has now expired.

On Schinkelhavenkade however, it is business as usual, the director and only shareholder told us last Monday. He saw the decision of the minister in a different light. "There are people who want it that way" he said, was his cryptic explanation, but there are also people who want it in a different way"

From his point of view nothing has changed, an "on-going situation". "There is info, and there is correct info. They are false statements from the ministry and it's not the first time. "

He didn't want to comment any further on the matter.

It is not surprising Watson, Alias Sam Selezny is not very willing to talk. Him and his firm came under fire only recently during a broadcast from the VPRO. This broadcast even lead to questions being asked in Parliament (about the licence)

The radiomakers had contacted the sheriff of Santa Cruz, who confirmed the arrest of Watson on March the 20th in 1985, in relation to illegal cannabis growing.

How it was possible Watson could set foot in Holland a month later, no one understands. Why wasn't he, caught red handed, in prison? As a rule the American Justice system doesn't show clemency to drug criminals.

There are presumptions, also mentioned in the radioprogramme. Is it possible Watson struck a deal with American Justice, mainly the DEA? In other words, has he, in exchange for his freedom agreed to cooperate with the justice system from time to time?
Questions which are left unanswered.

The DEA never talks, something the enquetecommitee "van Tra" discovered too.

On the 5th of November, Minister Borst answered the questions in Parliament.
No, there had not been a antecedenten (?) investigation in regards to the person requesting the license.
There had been doubts though about the reliability of the request, especially wether the cannabis would only be used for scientific purposes. But there was no proof to turn these doubts into hard facts. On the basis of doubt a license could not be rejected, in the court of law.

Actively requesting personal information from the police register had never been done, but she was planning to do so in due course.

Subject closed.

But the case is even stranger than it actually seems.

How did Watson acquire the funds to found Hortapharm? After some research it shows Watson wasn't only involved in illegal weed growing in the USA, but in Holland too. Not weedgrowing as a hobby, but on a grand scale, a business worth millions.

It was clear the Dutch Wietgrowers caught a big fish with getting David Watson on board. A man fascinated by the secrets of the cannabis plant. A man on a mission, convinced of the blessings of cannabis.

Like every American, he thought big. Just like Michael Taylor, also known as Michael Rich. They became companions, throwing themselves on the big scale growing of nederwiet.

Wernard Bruining declined. "It became too big and too fanatic. They wanted to be the best and biggest, which wasn't necessary for me."

It was annoying for him though that two of his greenhouses were busted shortly after wards. A coincidence, the police told him, they just happened to come across it. "But it was the first time they busted a big greenhouse. Before that they had never managed to do so"

In the summer two big sites where busted, the third empty upon arrival. Various employees where arrested, Watson and Taylor stayed out of sight. In the "us knows us" world of growing they were already for some time known as people who pulled the strings. Shortly after wards stories circulated the two Americans had started again. Within a few months they had set up a new greenhouse. This one was busted too, but again no sign of the Americans.

Were they simply too smart, or was it something else, something invisible (untouchable)?

No one paid too much attention to it. There were suspicions, but the were erased when the two continued a few years later, undisturbed.

It was the era when partially thanks to Watsons' seed, Holland's masses switched to nederwiet.

It became an internationally recognized product, the new pearl of the dutch horticulture.

But in 1992 the calm tide turned, when in the vicinity of Tilburg two massive growsites were busted, with according to the police 40.000 plants.
Sirens, squat teams, broken doors and a lot of screaming. Two of the approximately fifteen suspects broke down practically straight away under questioning and mentioned the name Watson as the big man and investor behind the wiet operation. Justice didn't act. Didn't ask questions about him, didn't even investigate the large amount of funds which apparently left the country via Luxemburg.

Watson was and remained, to the surprise of many, a free man and founded Hortapharm that same year.

Supported by advisers he started negotiating with the health ministery about acquiring a license. One of these advisors was ex police commissioner (?) K Sietsema, at that time already active as Private detective. "If I know Hortapharm? If we're talking about the same firm then yes, " Sietsema says; "but I don't talk about my clients, a kind of code of honor"

In the world of the wiet growers suspicion arose. One after the other growsite was busted, tens of people disappeared behind bars, but one of the biggest and probably best could continue without any disturbances.

That the American Godfather of Nederwiet had such good contacts that he could continue to practice his profession legally for three years, the ultimate breeders' dream, was considered utterly strange.

Coincidence?

The arrest in 1985, the large scale busts of grow sites without any consequences for Watson or his Companion, Hortapharm and its first license, the advisor Sietsema, it was too much of a good thing.

Were Watson and Rich DEA informers after all, as some people had claimed them to be before?

"They started at the right side, but Watson had little choice" Bruining thinks; "It was or going to jail or cooperate with the American Justice system."

Mario Lap, who amongst other things advices the PVDA (dutch political party) on drugs problems, is sure of his case.

His last bit of doubt dissapeared upon discovering that the Australian Police was in possession of a list, compiled by Watson, of renowned Dutch breeders, including a precise description of their products, even mentioning the genetic codes. Handy with the eye on the plans of the ministry of health to make growing indoors illegal.
"Instantly those creeps have the monopoly, later on they'll be the only ones allowed to breed the seeds, which is what it is about" lap says bitterly.

Which would make the DEA mission successful. They have the names of the breeders, their products and eventually the market of neder weed in hands.
The DEA has thus proven not only to be champion of controlled drug flow, but has also proven itself to be the best wiet grower in the world."

Copyright: HP/De Tijd 5-12-1997.
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Honestly, that is just the tip of the ice burg in regards to the research presented here at the MNS forum. I would recommend everyone read the link below in its entirety to get a better understanding of what it is we're discussing.

The Fertilizer of Economic Growth
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=2761

So with numerous sources sited to present grounds to stand on, rather than just opinion, which is all you seem to have Tom Hill, to call those who have backed up their work with research when you, yourself, have absolutely nothing, is the true joke. Do you think the safety and security of thousands of growers, who post unknowingly at a cannabis website with a moderator who is a known DEA associate is a joking manner? Do you think Nevil, his life and his contributions to the cannabis community are something to shit on Tom Hill? Is fudging cannabis history, a gravely serious topic to myself and others, acceptable Tom Hill?
 
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Were is SAM any way ? He seams to have gone MIA i am not going to say a bad ward towards SAM but did he not go MIA around the time Neville started posting ?.
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he's around. i posted GC/MS analysis of my flowers and bubble hash as a thread, that got him to post a little... I follow him under an alter ego obviously because i'm banned on ic. I got 15,000 views on the few threads I started the week I was there!
 
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Hi All


listen guys it is getting a little old hat this negativity and opinions on things not really so relevant to our mission.

We are all different. We are equal . We are all entitled to our own opinions. But we are also judged on how we communicate with each other especially how we discuss topics we are not in agreement in. So imagine you are all in the Queen of Englands tea room and she is in the back ground mingling...got the image...now speak to each other knowing man is judge on content and civility, humility and intellect.

People have bashed all of the crew numerous times at MNS...it is our problem to address not anyone else...but thank you all for making us aware of things. In the same breathe we are all ghrown up and can deal with what comes in front of us. I always believe to beat an enemy it is easier to hug them than shoot at them...so please let me do my work and sort out the grow stories and hicups and new testing etc...rather than go down historic meandering into a futile valley where the heros and enemies look all the same.

I wish guys like all of you on this thread got together and shared some points that helped you become so knowledgeable for the benefit of the younger community looking on from the shadows and boy there are a lot.So please for my benefit agree to disagree NICEly....bless you all Sb
 
Hi all look maybe my post was a little over the top and if it was i am truly sorry but i just sed what i had felt for years no way was it directed at any member posting here.

I am not posting this to retract my wards but more to say i could of sed it in a better tone and in a better way but what shanti says is true were all on the same team and even tho i may not of liked what sam has posted in the past as i have sed many times i do respect what has done even if i dont like the guy.

Tom i did pm you and as i sed no way was this aimed at you and you and me have had ow disagreements in the past but we have always remained cavil towards each other and still got on regardless just like i have with chim to so please dont think this was aimed at you as it was not mate.

I dont know guys i just say wat i think and feel is right i cant do the carm passer-fest any longer i tried maybe i am burnt out i dont know but any way respect is important as shanti pointed out and well i will eat some humble pie and try to leve the past in the past let bygones be bygones so sorry if my post offended any one.
 
shantibaba said:
Hi All


listen guys it is getting a little old hat this negativity and opinions on things not really so relevant to our mission.

We are all different. We are equal . We are all entitled to our own opinions. But we are also judged on how we communicate with each other especially how we discuss topics we are not in agreement in. So imagine you are all in the Queen of Englands tea room and she is in the back ground mingling...got the image...now speak to each other knowing man is judge on content and civility, humility and intellect.

People have bashed all of the crew numerous times at MNS...it is our problem to address not anyone else...but thank you all for making us aware of things. In the same breathe we are all ghrown up and can deal with what comes in front of us. I always believe to beat an enemy it is easier to hug them than shoot at them...so please let me do my work and sort out the grow stories and hicups and new testing etc...rather than go down historic meandering into a futile valley where the heros and enemies look all the same.

I wish guys like all of you on this thread got together and shared some points that helped you become so knowledgeable for the benefit of the younger community looking on from the shadows and boy there are a lot.So please for my benefit agree to disagree NICEly....bless you all Sb
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The cooling calming breeze of your words are refreshing! We've missed you brother.
 
I dont know guys i just say wat i think and feel is right i cant do the carm passer-fest any longer i tried maybe i am burnt out i dont know but any way respect is important as shanti pointed out and well i will eat some humble pie and try to leve the past in the past let bygones be bygones so sorry if my post offended any one.
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as you should Hempy, everyone should speak their mind not everyone will see eye to eye this is life..... I have more respect for those that speak their mind than those that don't even if I don't agree with what their saying!.

Kopite

but I have to say the one person who riles me the most is Stressie/JessE.. big fish small pond springs to mind.
 
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So it is written ,so it shall be done .......now Hempy you never got back to me about m y Hempy bucket ? I'm glad I stayed off all those fourms ,cuz this shit is crazy,and to think I could have been a "potgod"with all the great genes I let slip through my hand,lol ,this is what the pursuit of awareness has become a narrowed down view like a tabloid ,come on family ,"like attracts like"thats how I ended up here,every seed is a mystery,thank God I learned through books back in the day ,the Internet is a blessing as well as a curse,the information available can be too much or just right depending on the seeker, we tend to overstand things instead of understaniding,we have a long road ahead family,save your eneriegies,keep growing not just Canna but also US ,ourselves Canna B US . Pax N
 
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