Haze A or Haze C in Afghan Haze crosses ?

anyway....

When i opened this thread i did not expect to have clear answers to all my questions but i was happy to learn that afghan haze is haze C, ASH is haze C and angels breathe is fathered by afghan haze C not A.

So it apears that Nevils Haze is the strain with the most haze A in his pedigree but in the end the A and C blended in strains are true winners too.

To me i still consider Mango Haze to be (NL5 x HzC) x (Sk1 x HzA) and SSH to be (NL5 x HzC) x (Sk1 x HzC). I hope Shantibaba will confirm again :rolleyes:
 
kief, the nl5 haze being made today is obviously not closely related to the A5.
thats becasue the A5 is NL5 clone female, that is no longer in mns possession, crossed with haze A male, which died early before commercial quantities of seeds were made.

where nl5 haze typically was made with the nl5 female clone, and the haze C male. this is what C5 was selected from.
the nl5 haze offered currently is a little different from that even.
it is a new nl5 female, not the original, then crossed to the haze C male.

as for the rest, too much confusion between haze A, mango haze, and angels breath to understand what you are saying. maybe you are confusing where shanti found his new "A5" from old seedstock? but that is what is used in the Haze AC male. why he didnt make A5 f2's, i dont know. or A5 x AC
 
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A small % of plants that come from seed called haze..
 
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Hi All

I believe Jesse found a direct quote from me explaining this. So it should be clear from that.

Since half way through last year I have found several Afghan and Skunk new plants from pure seed of Nev's from many years ago.

I am doing several new hybrids from these and they do come out well. The Afghan Skunk x Afghan Haze was one of these and from what I have seen on the boards things are going well with this line. I am putting the male Afghani Haze to several original mothers and in 6 weeks we should be harvesting the first serious batch of seeds. In another place I have been using the Afghan Skunk father to hybridize several original mothers including Nevils Haze and Mango Haze. I know it all sounds messy and multiple hybrids, but considering the originals are a know thing, and the source of the new hybrids are from old lines of Nev's I believe we will be in for some excellent new lines to grow our way into 2009 with.

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jack hairy said:
kief, the nl5 haze being made today is obviously not closely related to the A5.
thats becasue the A5 is NL5 clone female, that is no longer in mns possession, crossed with haze A male, which died early before commercial quantities of seeds were made.

where nl5 haze typically was made with the nl5 female clone, and the haze C male. this is what C5 was selected from.
the nl5 haze offered currently is a little different from that even.
it is a new nl5 female, not the original, then crossed to the haze C male.

as for the rest, too much confusion between haze A, mango haze, and angels breath to understand what you are saying. maybe you are confusing where shanti found his new "A5" from old seedstock? but that is what is used in the Haze AC male. why he didnt make A5 f2's, i dont know. or A5 x AC
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So in your own admission the nl5/haze is not the same because a5 is dead and the original nl5/haze when nevil made it used hazeA where now you are saying a hazeC is being used to make it , so it's not the same thing is it ? So I guess hazeC is supposed to be the new a chosen from old seed stock and all thoug hazeC has its qualitys it's not hazeA is it? Even though there was a new haze a chosen from old stock ? Shouldn't just maybe that south holland clone should be in a breeding program to produce new a stock ? Nope to big of operation where one guy has to try to deal with all the real quality control while trying to sell cbd lip balm and I'm not sure where all you can find it maybe go through the grow threads lots of people was under the assumption that angels breath had a large amount of hazeA and the Afghan part I don't care about was AfghanxhazeA while also gaining hazaA from the skunk side of the mango . But then again maybe I should worry about the Afghan seems like there has been quite a bit of hermies on the lowers of some of the strains being grown . I'm not trying to be a hater this guy is one of my heros , but what's up . What happened to we have all the mother plants and everything is made just like it was before
 
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You arent gettting it...

haze C was around at the same time as haze A, they are/were brothers.
The nl5 haze that most people know has always been nl5 haze C,
because the male A died before nevil sold much of them.
all the cup winning stuff in the early to mid 90's came from haze C.
 
I'm not trying to argue with you jack you are very intelligent guy but what is ssh made of then what is mango haze made of and what separates the two ? Connisour genetics claim to have the original nl/5haze from nevil and right now as we speak karma along with ace seeds who I do trust are working with the a5 not to even mention all the old south holland guys who do have these cuts of a5 and haze a . Not trying to start no trouble So what am I not getting here . Have a fine day Sr.
 
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What you are not getting is that haze A is dead and noone has it, that the a5 has only recently been located and verified to be one of the a5's of yesteryear, that this south of holland crew is bigger in everyone's mind than it really is (there is no organization if there ever was any), it's just one guy who was given all the cuts by nevil (bonk, who had mislabeled and lost the a5's throughout the years) and several others who grew out the cuts he had, one of which apparently grew this a5 exclusively over a period of 20 years or whatever (I assume exclusively means he only got shared this a5 cutting and no c5, ag13 or anything else, I mean, who only grows 1 cut over a period of 20 years, noone), untill karma got word of it and secured it for himself, shared it with sammy (who is probably the source of the ag13 you see popping around everywhere, his name on another forum is, coincidentally, ag13) and sam then shared it with ace.

The reason shanti's not working with any of the aforementioned cuts is not known, maybe becuase jesse cast doubt on anything yosemite sam had to say back then (this was long before the a5 got located again mind you), maybe he's kicking himself for it now, maybe he never got offered to work with them, only shanti knows, but yeah, I do believe sam tried to collaborate with mns a while ago.

What seperates ssh and mango haze? They're two different plants coming out of the same selection, 5hzC#1 and 5hzC#122. That the father used in testers was apparently a 5hzA, now it's the same dad ssh has, a 5hzC.
 
yep, that pretty much covers it.

shanti has had the A5 this whole time, its the mother of nevils haze.
whether shantis A5 is the same as the one sammy has, who knows.
and there were two or more A5s, two nicknames are mango and diesel.
i dont know if either of those are what shanti has.
 
I will be the first to admit when I'm wrong and I may get some things mixed up But connoisseur has the original nl/5 haze with haze a that came from nevil. And no one can deny the whole angels breath thing wasnt bull shit . I mean just read the grow reports compared to the strain description not even getting into the whole genetic thing with angels breath .
 
jack hairy said:
yep, that pretty much covers it.

shanti has had the A5 this whole time, its the mother of nevils haze.
whether shantis A5 is the same as the one sammy has, who knows.
and there were two or more A5s, two nicknames are mango and diesel.
i dont know if either of those are what shanti has.
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The premise here is that Shanti still has the F1 Nl5HzA mother of Neville's Haze. If you look into the timing of the raid on the MNS facility in Switzerland and the unavailability of Neville's Haze seed for a period of years afterwards, it calls into question whether the parents of NH are still at F1. If Shanti does indeed posses the A5 or another F1 of Nl5HzA, I'd love to see him make Haze A genetics available to the MNS faithful.

Let's ask Shanti if he has anything interesting in his fridge. I understand that's how Mango Haze Inbred became available.
 
he still had old nl5 haze A seeds, that is where he got his new A5 from that is used in the AC male. feels like im repeating myself a lot, but i guess there were a few threads going on with similar topics.

but yes, i think that 50% haze A seeds should be made while they can be.
A5 x Skunk Haze A
A5 x Afghan Haze A (if such a male actually exists)
also why not A5 x AC

and i would think he could get his hands on the AG13 if he wanted to,
AG13 x Skunk Haze A
AG13 x Afghan Haze A (if such a male actually exists)
AG13 x AC
AG13 x NL5 haze A (if you started A5 seeds, wouldnt you keep a male?
also AG13 with new or old G13C would be cool.

im sure there are lots of interesting things in the fridge.
just wonder why they are sitting there instead of being used.
he is probably too busy to do much more than he already does.
 
Hey shanti,

is the NL5 haze A mother of nevils haze one of the known A5 cuts, known to some as mango or diesel A5? or is it a different selection from A5 seed?

when are we going to try this pollen thing again?
put some haze C pollen on the market this time ;)
 
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The premise here is that Shanti still has the F1 Nl5HzA mother of Neville's Haze. If you look into the timing of the raid on the MNS facility in Switzerland and the unavailability of Neville's Haze seed for a period of years afterwards, it calls into question whether the parents of NH are still at F1. If Shanti does indeed posses the A5 or another F1 of Nl5HzA, I'd love to see him make Haze A genetics available to the MNS faithful.

Let's ask Shanti if he has anything interesting in his fridge. I understand that's how Mango Haze Inbred became available.
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And the funny thing is he says he had mothers and fathers all over the place but can't seem to get some of the cuts back from the London crew or the south holland crew . I don't know if this is cause he just don't want them or if when nevil left there was some kind of falling out or what . Who knows ? I l know what I'll get from here and where I'll start getting other things else where .
 
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So in your own admission the nl5/haze is not the same because a5 is dead and the original nl5/haze when nevil made it used hazeA where now you are saying a hazeC is being used to make it , so it's not the same thing is it ? So I guess hazeC is supposed to be the new a chosen from old seed stock and all thoug hazeC has its qualitys it's not hazeA is it? Even though there was a new haze a chosen from old stock ? Shouldn't just maybe that south holland clone should be in a breeding program to produce new a stock ? Nope to big of operation where one guy has to try to deal with all the real quality control while trying to sell cbd lip balm and I'm not sure where all you can find it maybe go through the grow threads lots of people was under the assumption that angels breath had a large amount of hazeA and the Afghan part I don't care about was AfghanxhazeA while also gaining hazaA from the skunk side of the mango . But then again maybe I should worry about the Afghan seems like there has been quite a bit of hermies on the lowers of some of the strains being grown . I'm not trying to be a hater this guy is one of my heros , but what's up . What happened to we have all the mother plants and everything is made just like it was before
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G `day K

A5 = NL #5 x Haze A .
The 5 is the NL #5 Mother . The A is the father .

You seem to be confusing the NL #5 x HzA hyb with the Haze A male .

NL #5 x Hz A was not released commercially . NL #5 x Hz C was the seed release .

The guys that worked in the green houses tending the crops got cuttings . They had A5 / C5 / AG13 / Nevil`s Haze cuts .

A5 clones have been kept and buds from A5 sold at coffee shops .

NL #5 x Haze A is only in Nevil`s haze as the female in the cross .

Or the NL / A x SK / C of the AC Rock n Roll series as a male parent .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 
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Elmer Bud said:
G `day K

A5 = NL #5 x Haze A .
The 5 is the NL #5 Mother . The A is the father .

You seem to be confusing the NL #5 x HzA hyb with the Haze A male .

NL #5 x Hz A was not released commercially . NL #5 x Hz C was the seed release .

The guys that worked in the green houses tending the crops got cuttings . They had A5 / C5 / AG13 / Nevil`s Haze cuts .

A5 clones have been kept and buds from A5 sold at coffee shops .

NL #5 x Haze A is only in Nevil`s haze as the female in the cross .

Or the NL / A x SK / C of the AC Rock n Roll series as a male parent .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
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So Is nevs haze the same as it used to be or are new parents being used to produce the line.
 
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Depending:

Does Shanti use/has the mother, the old A5 Nevil selected?
HazeC male is still alive?

Only Shanti knows.
 
I'm aware the haze A is the father and the original nl5xhazeA clone was kept and is still alive . I give up . If the original nl5 is dead as well as a different father plant it is not nl/5xhaze it should be called by a different name even if it contains some of the same genetics . This means that ssh is not the same either . There are all kinds of strains containg the same genetics with different names but that don't make them the original strain especially when they have not the same parents or have been a worked and inbreed line like widow that I have high praise for
 
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