Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid

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I originally started from seed, but this is a clone. It is the second run of VBT for me. I have had some hermies in VBT before. It olny went 10 weeks but looks and smells pretty nice. Spicey and sweet!


Looks nice my friend. How long did you let her go the first time and how did she smoke? Look forward to the report on this run as well. Like your taste!
 
Heres some VBT from last run. It was indoors for about 11 weeks then outdoor in late winter to finish up. It was seeded (intentionally) and could have gone a bit longer. I just rolled this up. Im smoking it now. Its smooth, and earthy flavor. No headrush.


 
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I think the fresh stuff hanging is going to be better. This one is ok but doesnt have as sweet of aroma as the fresh picked.
Greenhaze/Thai was a real good plant to grow and smoke. Real strong, real sweet hazy flavor
 
Piss Off BH!

the guy promises everyone seeds then he ignores you ask the dozen other members hes done the same exact thing too and then when he finnally ansers you he will give you some dumass excuse ive been pmed by many members who hes done the same thing too to the t take from you and give nothing in return every bad post is to him no one elese sorry for the bad attitude but he ercks me

Oh so the jig is up! :mad:
 
the guy promises everyone seeds then he ignores you ask the dozen other members hes done the same exact thing too and then when he finnally ansers you he will give you some dumass excuse ive been pmed by many members who hes done the same thing too to the t take from you and give nothing in return every bad post is to him no one elese sorry for the bad attitude but he ercks me

Sooo this seems to be a trend ,I say its a good idea that folks admitt the truth .Soo others can learn from past experiences


I was asked for nothing but offered for a second time an i find it appalling considering the grief ive gotten .

I wouldnt call it a bad attitude id call it honesty


1luvbigherb
 
Sheriff

This morning, the Sheriff went to my sons grow in Humboldt, and chopped down his whole crop of black box plants in bud. My son had his grow permit posted , and was well within his limits too. That was my older sons first grow. The Sheriff also warned them not to try growing a bunch of vegetables to sell either. WTF? Cant grow organic vegetables for the family? My son just had his first child last month. They are going to see a lawyer on tuesday
 
Sooo this seems to be a trend ,I say its a good idea that folks admitt the truth .Soo others can learn from past experiences


I was asked for nothing but offered for a second time an i find it appalling considering the grief ive gotten .

I wouldnt call it a bad attitude id call it honesty


1luvbigherb


I hate sending out seeds, but if You ever need some I would take care of you Herb. Your ok in My book. I of course would immediately hound you non stop for in depth smoke reports of course! LMAO
 
I hate sending out seeds, but if You ever need some I would take care of you Herb. Your ok in My book. I of course would immediately hound you non stop for in depth smoke reports of course! LMAO

LMAO

It would be exact n honest to the core as always

I know you would look out if i needed,but you know me im not one to ask .

A Gift is a gift an im very limited to my opportunites ,I wouldnt take anything without letting you know my situation.



1luvbigherb
 
I hate sending out seeds, but if You ever need some I would take care of you Herb. Your ok in My book. I of course would immediately hound you non stop for in depth smoke reports of course! LMAO

I reckin ive sent a good several hundred grams of seed out for free , mostly overseas from me ,,
i gather all were received ,, but you know what ,,
even though i bothered to send them ,,
take the sending dollars etc ,,
never heard a thing from most of the folks ,,
id say something like 1% ..
really incredible i think ....
never even a thank you ,,
never mind any kind or report of how it went ..
i hear folks paying unrealistic prices seem to report moreso ,,
whats up with that ????
 
Anyone want to send me some OMS seeds I'll give you the most detailed grow/smoke review you've ever seen. :D

Can't wait to pop all my ace genes purpur! July they're hitting soil. Sorry to hear about your son that's got to hurt beyond words. First crop and all budded. :(
 
the guy promises everyone seeds then he ignores you ask the dozen other members hes done the same exact thing too and then when he finnally ansers you he will give you some dumass excuse ive been pmed by many members who hes done the same thing too to the t take from you and give nothing in return every bad post is to him no one elese sorry for the bad attitude but he ercks me
Me too....:eek:
I've lost my safe addy over it too....The people at the addy are WELL pissed off...
I've received seeds from Italy in the time BH says he posted them....
Its very unfair to take peoples addy if you aint going to send....
If I could get his addy I'd drive up there and knock on his door??
Not very pleased...
BL
 
very good point you just made on seeds, dr. purpur, one that could be a thread in and of itself. i am an old guy online and so i am constantly getting offers of seed however, i do not take gifts of this sort lightly. as the recipient, i do feel i owe the sender serious feedback, including pics. this is his work atm after all and he is serious about it.

i send many notes via pm on these sites. and the offers of seed are usually part of a response to my query. many here have made such offers but i am not ready to accept. one day i will hear about specific strains that will work for me and then perhaps i will be interested in taking one up on a seed offer? one final comment on those of you requesting seed; if you're getting the beans free, did you bother to offer to pay postage and packaging? or do you in fact expect the breeder to pay for it the whole way? i think i know the answer already by the attitudes. peace-biteme
 
one final comment on those of you requesting seed; if you're getting the beans free, did you bother to offer to pay postage and packaging? or do you in fact expect the breeder to pay for it the whole way? i think i know the answer already by the attitudes. peace-biteme

It was supposed to be a swap.... and would cost less than a pound to send from where he lives...

Peace
BL
 
Wow. The more I read, the clearer the picture becomes....

Here I thought he was a standup guy. Oh well. That's why I never depend on people from internetland.

If you have no intention of sending seed after promising as much, why bother bringing it up in the first place? Kinda strange if you ask me.

Doc, sorry to hear about your kid. Weird that the sheriff would even take the time out to come by and chop his plants. I'm hoping there is some kind of positive resolution that comes out of that whole situation. That's just wrong on so many levels. No vegetables? LOL. WTF?

Bogie
 
To those of you complaining about not receiving gifts from British Hempire, what the #@$% are you thinking?
First of all, to even ask for something like that is an imposition.

I don't know BH, but from what I have read, it appears what he has is the result of investing much time and hard work. I have also picked up on the fact that like many other veterans in this pursuit, it has caused him significant hardship in his life. I have also seen hints of medical issues that he wrestles with.
Because he shares what he has with us on the web, you apparently think you are entitled to impose on his good will and ask for what has cost him so much to be given to you.

Now I do not know BH at all, and I am on another continent away from him, but as I read and lust after what he has been able to create for himself over the years, the thought crosses my mind: "I wonder if I asked him for some seeds if he would send them?"
Then I put myself in his shoes and think: "What's in it for him? Who am I to ask him to spend the time to do that for a perfect stranger?"

This is not even taking into account any legal risk involved with sending things which may be somehow against the law in the address you are sending them to.

It's called empathy. If every MNS member imposed on the good will and generous spirit of people like BH and sent messages asking for free beans, I wonder how long it would take before they stopped responding to PMs or even worse, stopped posting. The fact that others have jumped in and said "yeah, he didn't send me free stuff either" should give you some idea of the nature of the problem.

The sense of entitlement on display here, that anyone is actually owed anything from another member for nothing is offensive to me.

Several other members have similar collections of genetics here and could easily turn that collection into a revenue stream by becoming a commercial seed producer.

I suspect the reason they don't is because they do it for themselves and their friends/family. Theydon't want the hassle of doing it for others.

I haven't seen the communications you have exchanged, but if I desperately needed something the other member had, and they offered to send it to me but then didn't, I would communicate to them the reason why I needed it so urgently and ask them if there was anything I could do (money included) to make it worth their while, and if that didn't work for some reason, I would not be surprised or disappointed.

If you were one of the members close personal friends, you would have them already.
Obviously you are not, or you wouldn't be bashing him on a public forum.

Are my expectations in working with strangers on the internet not realistic?

If you need the beans so desperately, buy them from someone that sells them for a living.
 
CPTN

Your entitled to your opinion i just dont think its valid

If you have read my post ,I never asked for anything i was offered Twice.Its clear BH has some rough ways of conversing with certain members such as myself or i can say just outright disrespectful .Than i get this offer I have to question with what intent .

If you read others post they said they had tlked about an exchaneg an after fulfilling there end of the deal BH fell short .Yea shit happens in life but there are no excuse when you have to do somthing .

I think others memeber should know the truth an although he has been exsposed several other times for several reasons.IMHO it was once again nescessary.


1luvbigherb
 
I see that BigHerb, and if money had been exchanged, then calling out would be in order (in my mind.)
In the continuum of transgressions, I would say that Hempire has been accused of nothing more than being slack.

I did read the posts where members expressed concerns over revealing their safe mailing address to a stranger on the web. I can understand how that feels. At the same time, it is a risk they entered into of their own free will, where that risk should have been obvious.

I am a newbie on the boards (although I grew my first buds including thai and indica plants 30 years ago this year.) I see major personality conflicts, debates/feuds over which version of history is "the truth", commercially driven emphasis on image over substance has created a fertile breeding ground for egos and deception that make it impossible for many people to get along. At the average personal pollen-chucker level, desperation to find our own personal version of "perfection" fueled by forbidden passion for the herb which we all love on the fringes of legality.
This passion drives people to take these risks. The passion is also where all great things in this endeavor have come from.

It is my belief that everyone who has posted about Hempire's failure to deliver free gourmet beans to them is more disappointed than angry. If they could take it all back and have the beans in their hands, they'd gladly do it.

I know BHempire doesn't need me defending him as I have seen him attacked and fend for himself quite nicely at forums all over the web.
Just seems to me that the Grail thread is the wrong place for something like this and maybe, (just maybe) not getting a gift for free is something that should be handled differently than what is happening here.

Cheers and respect to everyone involved for what I have seen you contribute outside of this issue.
Cptn
 
sorry to tell ya

To those of you complaining about not receiving gifts from British Hempire, what the #@$% are you thinking?
First of all, to even ask for something like that is an imposition.

I don't know BH, but from what I have read, it appears what he has is the result of investing much time and hard work. I have also picked up on the fact that like many other veterans in this pursuit, it has caused him significant hardship in his life. I have also seen hints of medical issues that he wrestles with.
Because he shares what he has with us on the web, you apparently think you are entitled to impose on his good will and ask for what has cost him so much to be given to you.

Now I do not know BH at all, and I am on another continent away from him, but as I read and lust after what he has been able to create for himself over the years, the thought crosses my mind: "I wonder if I asked him for some seeds if he would send them?"
Then I put myself in his shoes and think: "What's in it for him? Who am I to ask him to spend the time to do that for a perfect stranger?"

This is not even taking into account any legal risk involved with sending things which may be somehow against the law in the address you are sending them to.

It's called empathy. If every MNS member imposed on the good will and generous spirit of people like BH and sent messages asking for free beans, I wonder how long it would take before they stopped responding to PMs or even worse, stopped posting. The fact that others have jumped in and said "yeah, he didn't send me free stuff either" should give you some idea of the nature of the problem.

The sense of entitlement on display here, that anyone is actually owed anything from another member for nothing is offensive to me.

Several other members have similar collections of genetics here and could easily turn that collection into a revenue stream by becoming a commercial seed producer.

I suspect the reason they don't is because they do it for themselves and their friends/family. Theydon't want the hassle of doing it for others.

I haven't seen the communications you have exchanged, but if I desperately needed something the other member had, and they offered to send it to me but then didn't, I would communicate to them the reason why I needed it so urgently and ask them if there was anything I could do (money included) to make it worth their while, and if that didn't work for some reason, I would not be surprised or disappointed.

If you were one of the members close personal friends, you would have them already.
Obviously you are not, or you wouldn't be bashing him on a public forum.

Are my expectations in working with strangers on the internet not realistic?

If you need the beans so desperately, buy them from someone that sells them for a living.

sorry to tell ya but he offers the seeds i think a gesture of making friends but not sure for the reason he offers. in my case it was for medical patients. i never asked for anything he was helping our club out. but then after we gave the address and not hearing from him for a month so we tried to get in touch with him and he totally ignored every pm we sent and a lot of times he was signed in. anyways its just strange he does that to so many members and after his offer we asked to see if he wanted money for the post but no answer ever
 
to be fair i think with BH he is a little bit of a bullshitter but it dont make him a rip off, he might be full of good intentions but when it comes to coming across, just cant do it but i honestly dont think he go's out of his way to rip people off, bullshitter maybe, rip off, not too sure as im sure some1 would have posted up by now about him ripping people off everywhere, not just here, i dont even like the guy much after he called me a troll lol :p, but it seems from what i have read that he is promising people shit and not coming through with it, not a trade as such but i totally agree if he cant come across with shit then he should not be asking people for safe addy's then ignoring people's pm's, now that is just fucking rude man, gets people worried at the same time.

this is 1 of the reasons i dont like to trade tbh, i will help people out np at all if i can, that way i dont feel like i have been kicked right in the balls if the other person dont or cant come through with their part of the deal, and if some1 was offering me free seeds and i accepted and they did not send them, they would be a bullshitter in my eye's, not a rip off but if he is asking people to trade and not coming through with his part of the deal after getting sent seeds then that is a different story, so has any1 traded with bh and been ripped off or is it just a case of people falling for his bullshit lol ???

as i say i honestly dont think he is a rip off or a thief, just a little bit of a bullshitter thats all, but i agree its not something you should do asking people for safe addy's if your not planning on sending out any seeds, that shit can get people really worried just because of what we do, makes people feel uncomfortable as well, here i go again, if i dont think something is right then i will say something, not sticking up for bh at all, guy is a cock man lol, but i just dont think he is a rip off, bullshitter yes, rip off no, but maybe with people posting up about it then people wont fall for the bullshit next time ;)
 
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