G13

[barletta]

I didn't know you had a room

Hey I'm really not into the history of a name, but what are the 'problems' that you've seen with the plants in the line?

 

[Buddhadreams]

I have grown G13 x HP aka Mr.Nice from Sensi and in a pack found 3 plants corresponding to Airborn G13 clone. Two males and one female.
The female was really potent, but didn’t have any special smell or taste. Knock out stone, I couldn’t even finish a joint

The other plants in the pack were nothing special.

 

[barletta]

When I first bought seeds, I bought 2 Hawiaans (MrN Spice, and Sativa Seedbank Pakalolo) and 2 'supposed' g13 hybrids (G/Sk and pinebud x g13). From the G/Sk, I got sativa dom skunk plants that had a unique, head pounding high, and a sickly sweet aroma. From the pinebud x g13's I got 1 long flowering tasty indica with a high similar to the Spice - warm, happy, and strong, but not straight 1 hitter. I did buy hype, but my judgements are based on the plants that I grew.

I really don't understand the fascination with g13 from a grower/smoker perspective. We see the weed world as it truly is. Before I grew, I NEVER thought that it was possible for 1 person to grow 10,000 ways. But knowing the little bit I know now, I understand just how simple it can be. So why do people who can buy "Product X", and test it out in every concievable way in a 1yr period continue to perpetuate the hype? I dunno if "G13" ever existed, but I do have opinions on a couple of plants that I grew and was told were G-hybrids. I'm satisfied.

No clone is unobtainable. If the G was just an afghan selection/sport, it has showed itself thousands of times in the (at least) hundreds of thousands of exported and cultivated afghan pot seeds. Who is to say that the G13 was stronger than the indica in many different breeders stables?

BTW, I don't think that my pine bud x g13 (either the one f1 or the one f2) showed any 'G13' traits other than possible budstructure/formation. I haven't grown too many indies, but those plants were quite chunky (bud width vs. plant height). The mothers used in the GN03 line were supposedly different clones (selections done for smoke, not offspring) . I read that the boiling brain was an old school pac NW selection from Nl x blueberry, and the 8k was a british clone. The pine bud MAY be pbud which is a colorado clone. Dood who bought the bud at the deer creek amphitheatre was pbud (named after the strain).

The OG Kush and G-13 hype come together 6 degrees of separation with the creation of pine bud x g13!!! I'm going to work the seeds, and go around smoking people up, and when they passout, I'll jack their wallets. Everyone knows that if you crossed g13 to ogkush, a normal human would pass out after smoking.

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[mark6699]

Thanks for the indirect Validation Mr. Doubleds. It drives me loopy when people kept telling me that the "g" was dead, and that it existed not these days.

Have a nice day you all.

M

 

[JessE]

It drives me loopy when people kept telling me that the "g" was dead, and that it existed not these days.

Hi Mark, whoever told you the original G13 cut was dead was giving you correct information. Only hybrids of this variety exist now.

Hi All


if you read a little you will understand there is no original G13 alive anylonger only hybrids of that line....if you go through enough of the g12 hybrids you will find something pretty close to the original...good luck all the best Sb

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1936


Good luck mate.

 

[BlizzOut]

.... it is up to you the consumer to decifer who has what and if it is worth spending the next 3-4 months of your life growing.

No matter do you/we know to Santa Claus do not exist, thousand will say he is reall because this or that rationale.
I want say, you can not kill legend but you can burn yourself in that wish.

bo

 

[L33t]

Many growers that have grown the MNS G13 lines do believe the story from Neville regarding the history of the G13 line , others simply don't irregardless of their opinion on the quality of the results , same goes about the Haze genetics..

Each one of us has the right to believe or discard the stories.. As far as I m concerned , no matter if its real history or myths..what really matters is the quality of the genetics and as time has proven,these lines are very special and have made lots of growers worldwide very happy in the past and still do .

In my opinion even if only one man(breeder) holds/sells a special line (parent clone/s) I find it hard to accept that some these clones could have never made it to other peoples hands. Keeping mother/father seedplant/clone stock backups in different locations is a common practice for any serious breeder . This is done so the genetics don't get lost at some point , be it due to a bust , a fire or other reasons.. So I think its highly likely that genetics can escape , n make it to other hands. Note I ' m not talking specifically about the G13 clone here .

Unlike seeds , living plants , like breeding clone stock , need to be taken care of in order to survive , need regular maintenance. So almost every serious breeder trusts backup mother rooms/with breeding stock to other persons' hands , usually friends , fellow breeders or other members of the seed company as its difficult for one man to keep an eye on all , esp if these backup mother rooms are located far away (ie in a different city or even a different country) and for other reasons , if breeder gets busted.Having said that I mean I can accept the possibility that some genetics may escape even without the breeder knowing it. Like I said earlier I 'm not implying anything about the G13 , just speaking generally.

 

[JessE]

In my opinion even if only one man(breeder) holds/sells a special line (parent clone/s) I find it hard to accept that some these clones could have never made it to other peoples hands. Keeping mother/father seedplant/clone stock backups in different locations is a common practice for any serious breeder . This is done so the genetics don't get lost at some point , be it due to a bust , a fire or other reasons.. So I think its highly likely that genetics can escape , n make it to other hands. Note I ' m talking specifically about the G13 clone here .

Highly likely?

Do you have any evidence to support this theory at all?

 

[L33t]

JessE

Oh excuse me I wanted to write same thing I also wrote later on :
I m not talking about the G13 here ..my mistake. Thanks for bringing my mistake to my attention.

My point was since not only one person has access to certain genetics its highly likely that these genetics can escape . In practice they may or may not escape..thats another story.

I didnt mean that its highly likely that they will escape ...
..But its highly likely that they can escape if someone that has access wants it and decides to do it. Which means that there are not security measures other than a human trusting another human . Its ''highly likely'' ,..cause humans stab others at the back for personal profit ,we see that happening everyday to people around the world.We just make our decisions based on observed behaviors and our instinct when it comes to trusting others.

 

[JessE]

JessE

Oh excuse me I wanted to write same thing I also wrote later on :
I m not talking about the G13 here ..my mistake.
My point was since not only one person has access to certain genetics its highly likely that these genetics can escape . In practice they may or may not escape..thats another story.

I didnt mean that its highly likely that they will escape ...
..But its highly likely that they can escape if someone that has access wants it and decides to do it. Which means that there are not security measures other than a human trusting another human . Its ''highly likely'' ,..cause humans stab others at the back for personal profit ,we see that happening everyday to people around the world.We just make our decisions based on observed behaviors and our instinct when it comes to trusting others.

I thought it sounded a little strange, thanks for the clarification.

 

[L33t]

Yeah sorry again JessE.

The reason I made my post earlier (#147) is I wanted to say that sometimes its just impossible to prevent some things from happening and sometimes genetics thefts happen even with the breeder not being aware of it.

So what I wanted to say is when there are more people than just one you can never be sure. I may trust my friends but I don't always necessarily blindly trust their contacts/friends.You get my point.

If Shanti says G13 is dead I blindly believe him (I believe he is telling us the truth as he knows it) but I would only be 100% certain that this is what real the case with G13 is if I knew for sure myself that Nev didn't have any friends/staff that had access to his genetics/mother rooms when he had the G13 around and I simply don't know that...he might have , he might not..
..so I always leave a possibility for a different story and I explained why.

L33t

 

[JessE]

Hey folks
I just received a copy of the February edition of Treating Yourself Magazine and Im very impressed with the job the TY team did with this months issue. A few members here at MNS helped contribute too the G13 article, chiefly redeye24/7, hempy and Shantibaba. I would like to take the time to thank these three individuals, their contributions proved invaluable.

In this months edition of Treating Yourself Magazine you can find my next article on the subject of G13.

 

[mark6699]

Once again, i will say, just because Scotts and Nevils cut of the g-13 is dead, doesn't mean other people have it in the U.S. haven't kept it alive After all, Nevil came to the U.S. to get the cut. That doesn't mean other people didn't have it as well. There was not just ONE cut that only went to Nevil. My god! Nevil didn't have a MONOPOLY on the g-13 cut. It was everywhere in the early to late eighties. Lot's of old school humco growers i know have no contact with the outside world and have been growing their strains continuously since the late 70's till now. Don't belive it, come out here and visit.
Many people have many cuts. They were passed around way before Nevil picked up his. Yes, Shanti and Nevil's cut is dead! In that, i have no doubt whatsoever. Others are still alive and have survived in the hands of mom and pop grows.
Choose not to belive it if you wish, and that's your choice. All i know is i am growing a g-13 cut from 1982-84 as i type this. After all, most of the cuts brought from the west coast to adam in the early to mid-eighties were brought fromt the west coast. Long live Humboldt and our non-adam unique strains.

Good Growing everyone.

Mark

 

[Scorpion]

never heard of G13 until it showed up in Nevils Seedbank Catalog...
never before and never since after nevil closed the SEED BANK.
No One Has ever offered G13 hybrids,except Nevil and Sensi...No One.
Soma only had one male from a G13 Haze F1 Hybrid seed...
so he makes G13 hybrids that are only 25% G13 maximum...
Nevil never gave this cutting to anyone ,and has never said he did.
now its
22 Years since that all came about and you say you have it...

lol
How would you know? are you even old enough to remember when this all happened?
Do you have a DNA Blue print of G13?
no, so really you have G13 because someone told you it was...
How much did you pay for that cutting?
there is no way to tell a G13 afghan from any other afghan plant by appearance only..
So the only confirmed people to have this have all said it died...

but you have it?

Then you are a very special person and should seek out ways to preserve this urban legend...

cant wait to here how you got this plant.

Scorpion

 

[curious101]

Yeah sorry again JessE.

The reason I made my post earlier (#147) is I wanted to say that sometimes its just impossible to prevent some things from happening and sometimes genetics thefts happen even with the breeder not being aware of it.

So what I wanted to say is when there are more people than just one you can never be sure. I may trust my friends but I don't always necessarily blindly trust their contacts/friends.You get my point.

If Shanti says G13 is dead I blindly believe him (I believe he is telling us the truth as he knows it) but I would only be 100% certain that this is what real the case with G13 is if I knew for sure myself that Nev didn't have any friends/staff that had access to his genetics/mother rooms when he had the G13 around and I simply don't know that...he might have , he might not..
..so I always leave a possibility for a different story and I explained why.

L33t

i've often wondered the question of others having access to the genetics myself such as Neville's Haze, the White Family, G13 cutting...i've always been curious if any of the genetics were stolen from Neville or Shanti when they worked at Greenhouse...Arjans' attitude toward business is money money money and i'm sure that greed seeps into his moral/ethical decisions...is it possible that genes were stolen or clone copies taken from either Shanti or Neville's gene library?...its a definite possibility but being that the genes are in essence the life blood of the breeder i'm sure very serious actions were taken to prevent the theft of genetics...the debate goes on

 

[shantibaba]

Hi All

well read most of the thread and got to mention a few things that bother me.

First Neville offered the G13 originally and it was never copied ...only a decade later when Soma and Reeferman bought some old hybrid seeds from Nevil through third parties did it appear again in other companies. The original G13 mother died and only seed existed from the early 90s onwards. No one including Arjan ever had access to Nevil and my library of mothers and fathers...just what was on the greenhouse list pre 98...but considering no one kept things alive they were forced to use F1 seed to gain back things...but even then there was no access to G13 in any pure form.

So now that Medical seeds are offering G13 as a feminised seed or other companies are offering G13 hybrids...well they are only names with distant relation to the originals. People renamed things and use a common name to piggy back their new seed on to the market. Why would I tell the growers that G13 mother died if I was only interested in making money from other people's dreams of owning something pure? It is not my or Nevilles way so it is not the truth that so many of these G13 strains survived so well through time.

Since I re-released G13 skunk and G13 widow some years back the piggy backers took off again...and the legend was rekindled. Whatever you all believe I find it most difficult to believe there is a pure G13 alive. The best that could be expected would be an old F1 seed or even F2 seed...but most of the time it is a new breeder using an old name to sell his wares.It does not help anyone except that breeder and it would be best for them to rename it with affiliated origins attached to G13 in some way. I am really afraid that all these ways of new companies do not help clarify an urban myth but propagate it to the maximum.Those who believe what is written rather than research perpetuate the myth and so it goes on and on and on...just like this G13 myth. I am sorry to all of those who really educate themselves but the facts are so evident , if it were not for money makers in this industry maybe people who start their own seed companies would name their own seeds with original names and stop confusing the masses.

All the best Sb

 

[L33t]

hi Shanti

thank you for your input

Heres a very recent post below from Reeferman (over Thcfarmer forums) , I bumped onto this post last night and Reeferman claims there are still pure G13 clones available and alive. I don't know if its true but he says that they come and were bought from Neville himself by another grower back in 86 , would that be a bs or does it hold any truth ?

''I do not wish to go into the g13 debate the best version of g13 I have had so far is the airborne g13 cutting , I am about to obtain a cutting that was sold by nevil in 86 to a canadian who has maintained it since .
The nevil cutting does exist still because nevil lost it does not mean that it is gone .
As with NL#5 it was not a clone it was a seed line from washington state .

...''

link to original post: http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/112165-post5.html

 

[hempy]

l33 nevile was the only one to offer g13 hybrids any others used the seeds 1000s got from him he sold or are lieing why would any breeder part with there perent lines so many are so full of it in this community.

The pacific fest was a clasic not 1 g13 but 3 of a clone only line yet all diffrent and most belived it untill i found an intresting post from pacific that stated they were infact DEA seezed plants from growers that could be sweet tooth for all they new and that bubble burst.

RM is like most seeks to ride the back of other peoples work to make money its that simple.

I also got the g13 from nevile and all his breeding stock can you prove i dont no you cant.

Point is you take the ward of people that know mate shantis the one you lisen to not RM the man that makes more pollyhybrids than i have lunch a year and has as much credibility as a used car salesman and his got nl5 to i read sorry rm i have it and the perents that made it and i own the town and valley it was from .

 

[Buddhadreams]

About the G13 cutting, i’ve heard several stories already, and feel to be impossible to prove them... so I’m inclined to believe in Shantibaba version of it. My only doubt is regarding Sensi breeding labs because some say they’ve lost the cut, others say they still have it.

I did Mr.Nice G13 x HP and found 3 plants resembling Airborn G13 clone (2 males and one female)… so it’s very possible that Airborn G13 clone is “simply” a very special plant found inside the hybrid.

As for Pacific G13… well if I do remember correctly, is a special plant found inside G13 x NL#2 from the old seedbank breeding labs, witch belongs to NCGA.

Let’s all have a beautiful day… the sun is shining here

 

[hempy]

pacific

for those interested,
here's a third "g13" strain. All of my government clones are g13's. personally i think this one's the best, but that's just my opinion.

peace



pacific
hi all,
sb, I too appreciate your honesty, but your're still under the wrong impression. THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT DEVELOP THESE PLANTS, THEY ARE ALL FROM DEA CONFISCATED LOTS. They are ALL tested and certain ones are kept (for exactly what reasons I don't know) and distributed in certain cases. Somehow I just can't get that through peoples heads.
I don't think aliens are involved or genetic engineering for that matter (except for maybe one particular plant)but that's not what we're talking about here. All the info is researchable if you put your mind to it. People want to believe in super-secret government projects, but it's all much more mundane than that. I do get these plants from a source that is certified by the dea, that's all I am going to say on the subject. You can believe me or not, it doesn't matter. Because again, it's not me that's important, it's the plant. I apologize to anyone to whom I have given the wrong impression.
Peace

hi Buddhadreams hope this helps clear up any confution i have so much saved its not funny research pays off all i can say.

Also the Airborn g13 as its called is just a selected phino from g13xnl neville sold have that info from ncga think his handle is also and a few more to in short.