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Hi hempy,

It confuses me a lot to have people trusting someone who states in public to have connections with DEA… as it’s the known case of Pacific. As far as I remember they are our most fearful enemy :confused:

I would run away from that character with all the strength left in my legs :)
 
Hey everyone :)
Below is the G13 article that ran in the February 2009 edition of Treating Yourself Magazine, issue #15.



Urban Legend: G13

By JessE
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What could Bigfoot and Marijuana possibly have in common? Every year there are hundreds of reports of sightings of the infamous Bigfoot across North America. From Alaska to Florida, Northern California to Ohio. Much is the same with the elusive and equally legendary G13. A variety reputedly liberated from a government research facility at the University of Mississippi by an unknown assistant, news of the clones “liberation” from Uncle Sam’s garden spread quickly on the underground growing scene. As legend has it, so did the clone before ultimately making its way to the Netherlands’, where its fait would ultimately be sealed as one of the most sought after and elusive legendary strains of cannabis of all time. The Seed Bank was the first Dutch marijuana seed company shipping internationally to all corners of the globe, at the helm, by all accounts, a charismatic Australian known as Neville Schoenmaker who would take the liberated female only cutting and turn it into a variety whose story would later go on to become nothing short of mythical.

The subject of great debate for many years, and to this day a subject of contention with the few dedicated growers who are concerned with the true origins and facts of the variety, G13 has become one of the few varieties of cannabis to cross over into mainstream folk lure, most notably being featured in Kevin Spacey’s classic movie ‘American Beauty’ as a variety of cannabis whose going street price was some two thousand dollars. A price which actor Wes Bentley justified by explaining, “This shit is top of the line. It's called G-13. It's genetically engineered by the U.S. Government. It's extremely potent, but a completely mellow high. No paranoia." An absolutely outrageous price for such a small quantity of cannabis, regardless of quality, none the less it exemplifies the kind of reputation this variety has established for itself since its initial marketing by Neville in the mid 1980’s. Indeed, this variety would never have become the success story that it has if it wasn’t for the subsequent hybrids of the female clone known as G13, which was offered in his store front catalogs to growers all a crossed the globe.

It was these hybrids marketed by Neville and acquired by literally thousands of growers who had access to The Seed Banks Catalogs that would cement G13’s legacy and legendary status as being among the strongest varieties of cannabis ever encountered. A tribute itself to the absolute power of the cutting, since there was only a female clone and no male counter parts to breed a pure G13 with, hybridizations from other varieties had to be used in an effort to pass along the G13’s incredible attributes. There no longer exist a G13 in pure form, the mother plant passed away long ago now while in the care of The Seed Banks ultimate benefactors, Sensi Seeds. So as it goes with the search for G13, one will quickly realize with any kind of dedicated research the only varieties left out there related to the honest, to goodness G13 that can be absolutely authenticated are the original hybrids offered by Neville at The Seed Bank in Holland over 20 years ago now. Among those hybrids were G13xSkunk#1, G13xNorthern Lights, G13xHaze, G13xHashplant, G13xOrtega, G13 x White Widow and G13 (skunk) x White Widow as well as a handful of other obscure hybridizations that were never marketed heavily like some of the varieties mentioned above. Those varieties of course are all verified, legitimate hybridizations that can be said without any doubt to be related to the original cutting. This is the point were things may get confusing and somewhat frustrating for the average consumer because knowing where to obtain these legitimate hybridizations can be a head ache all of its own. Most consumers want to get the best buy for their hard earned currency, and generally speaking a replica or poorly bred G13 simply will not do. And when one looks at the absolute mountain of breeders offering something supposedly related to G13, your train can suddenly come to a jolting halt as you ponder over exactly which variety or varieties to purchase. And a wise decision it would be to want the true facts my friends, because not all G13 hybrids are created equal and some of them are outright frauds.

When I initially became interested in the G13 myth, the most natural starting point in my mind upon the discovery of quite a few sources to obtain the genetics from was to research where the original genetics ultimately went and where they can be obtained today. Along the way I discovered quite a few cuttings in private hands which are said to be G13 it’s self, but for which no credible proof exist or has been offered in which to authenticate their claims or the ultimate origins of their “G13”. Most notably among those private cuttings is the Airborne G13 cut which looks very similar to the known G13 x Northern Lights photographs, which of course though, is not nearly enough evidence to say with any kind of certainty that it is indeed one of the hybrids originally released by Neville in the ‘80s.But that is pretty much all we are left with, such as the case with many varieties on the market today in fact. Where the only real proof one has is the word of the breeder or what little photographic evidence exist to support their claims. Other private cuttings said to be G13 include the So Cal G13, the LG13 (Louisiana) and the PG13 (Pacific). Interestingly enough, the person known as Pacific had no less than three versions of G13, none of which were related to the true G13 cutting and some of which were actually obtained from government (DEA) confiscated marijuana stock from private growers and medical users. So the ultimate pedigree of some of the Pacific G13 varieties could be anything from Durban Poison to Hindu Kush, and anything in between. There are dozens more varieties all touted to be G13 or a derivative of G13, but none of which can offer any kind of validation or support to back up their assertions. And ultimately any G13 variety with any kind of authentication has to be traced back to Neville and the hybridizations initially offered twenty years ago at The Seed Bank, because that’s where it all started in the first place my friends.

So where can we as the consumer go to purchase legitimate G13 hybridizations today? There are a handful of legitimate breeders all offering something that can be legitimately traced back to the original cutting known as G13. Most notably is Mr. Nice Seed bank, which is fronted by infamous international Hash smuggler Howard Marks and operated by legendary breeders Shantibaba and the man himself, Neville Schoenmaker (the former owner of The Seed Bank). So it’s pretty much a no brainer that if you would like to obtain some authentic lines related to the original cutting of G13, that you start with the very place the legend started, Neville himself at Mr. Nice Seed Bank (www.mrnice.nl). Mr. Nice Seeds (MNS) currently offers a three generation interbred variety of G13 x Skunk where the criteria for each subsequent backcross was for G13 dominant varieties. From there the original skunk male was used to create a G13 (skunk#1) x skunk #1 variety easily available to the public as well as the G13 (skunk) x Black Widow (White Widow) which looks to be an incredibly encouraging variety in its own right. Other companies which offer a variety legitimately related to the authentic cutting include Sensi Seeds, which offers a G13xHashplant hybrid strangely enough named after the aforementioned Howard Marks. Known as Mr. Nice, the G13xHashplant offered by Sensi Seeds is a legitimate G13 hybrid that can be traced back to the original cutting because Ben Dronkers, the owner of Sensi Seeds, ultimately acquired his stock from Neville. Along with Sensi Seeds, Soma Seeds offers a G13xHaze lineup from which one haze dominant male G13 x Haze hybrid was found in a very small handful of seeds said to have been given to Soma by well known author Ed Rosenthal, who acquired the seeds originally from Neville. Soma has subsequently used that haze dominant male, although technically related too the original G13, to hybridize several other varieties in his library and thus establishing the authenticity of his G13 stock, however remote it may be.

Like with any good marijuana story of this nature, there exist quite a few versions of the original story. Some of which make for great camp fire stories, but none of which seem to have any kind of real sustenance behind them other than popular lure. Such is the case with one Sandy Wienstien, who is said to be a founding member of Sacred Seeds (a point of contention by Sam the Skunk Man). Sandy is credited for the breeding of Early Girl and is also said to be the one who discovered G13 along with the Bay Area Durban Poison clone. As the story goes, the group responsible for the breeding of Skunk#1 lost some of their Afghan varieties due to grey mold issues and at this point in time during the ‘70s Afghanica cannabis genetics were not as widely prevalent as they are today. As luck would have it, Mr. Wienstien is said to have had a friend in the Alabama/Mississippi region who was a first year botany student. This friend is said to have lucked into a job with Dr. Carlton Turner at the University of Mississippi and sent a handful of Afghan varieties that showed promise from the University of Mississippi, back to Mr.Wienstien. Among those Afghanica varieties was the famed G13.

In another twist of the story, perhaps even related in some strange way is the story of Michael Hallman, who is a character said to have collected a wide variety of quality cannabis strains in the 1960’s and ‘70s. As the story goes, the CIA and FBI did hybridization experiments with Mr. Hallman’s collection of marijuana genetics and they are said to have developed one of the most powerful marijuana strains of all time. With an alleged THC percentage of over 28%, this variety would be more than double the potency of most conventional marijuana strains of the era. It is this clone, said to have been developed by the government that was liberated from Green House 13 all those years ago now, that is today responsible for the urban legend as it stands that became known as G13. This particular part of the story is one of the newer elements of the story to emerge and in my opinion is an example of an urban legend continuing to evolve and expand as the years go by. What we do know, is that in fact the government was growing marijuana at research facilities no later than the 1970’s. According to Zimmer and Morgan, The Potency Monitoring Project (PMP) conducted at the University of Mississippi in 1973 found the average sample of cannabis tested to have a potency of 1.62% THC with many varieties being over 4% THC. With the highest sample of cannabis tested at the time coming in at 9.5% THC. Two years later, a study done by PharmChem is said to have tested a variety which registered at 14% THC. So the possibility of strains of cannabis existing at the University of Mississippi seems to certainly be plausible, although whether or not G13 was among them remains unclear. At the time of the Potency Monitoring project, Dr. Carlton Turner was in charge of the program and today the University of Mississippi still does research in regards to cannabis under the guidance and tutelage of Dr. Mahmoud El Sohly.

Ultimately what should matter to you as the grower and consumer is where to obtain the most legitimate G13 hybrids if you’re interested in growing this variety. There is no shortage of companies peddling something called G13, but your best bet is to stick with the companies who have a legitimate claim to the varieties name sake. Of those companies, Mr. Nice Seeds may very well be your best option for obtaining an authentic hybrid related to the original cut. With the original cutting being marketed by Neville at The Seed Bank and of course the fact Neville can be found today working along side Shantibaba at Mr. Nice Seeds, it’s a sure bet that what you’re receiving is a legitimate hybrid of this mythical and legendary variety. The G13 (skunk) x Skunk #1 and the G13 x Widow at Mr. Nice Seeds have both earned the respect of many growers around the globe, and who knows? Maybe you’re next?
 
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Hey all,

Hi JessE,
nice read there ta for providing more literature and some good food for thought once more.
Lemme just say 2 i beleive in bigfoot:D,patty(we call em Yowies in oz,think we found a huge stonker of a yowie shit in the bush once as well!),and i also beleive there are 'killer' plants to be had from those G13 crosses mentioned there from the MNS Bank.
Seems to me anyway that not as many people grow them as you might imagine too?.
 
Who Knows

Earlier This Year , Before I Was Gratefully Chosen To Test SB's New Early Haze , I Was Gifted Some G13 X Cheese .
Now I Don't Know If These Actually Are What The Person Said They Are, But I Grew Them Outdoors This Year , And For the Last Five Days They Have Been Under Lights
Before I Moved Them Indoors They Only Had Hairs , And No Crystal At All.
Very Purple Stems And Purple Fan Leaf Stalks
Very Squat, Yet Vigorous
I'm Very Impressed At The Crystal Content In Just Five Days :eek:
Sadly , This Summer , Outdoorwise , Has Been A Washout
JKP
 

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Hi Joe, :)
Nice looking plants you've got there, below is a picture of the three MNS G13sks from earlier this season. Ive not long returned from the plot this morning, all things looking pretty good out there. At least one of these plants shown below displayed incredibly slow growth compared to the others initially, but eventually worked itself out. But there are some plants to be found in this line that meet monsterous qualifications indoors or outdoors.

MNS G13 x Skunk
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Hi all,
This morning I visited the plot and in particular located the G13xSk varieties pictured above, as I have mentioned before these G13xSK varietys will give you some monster sativa dominant plants. Below is a picture of one of the three taken about an hour ago now, Ive got another G13xSk that is almost identical too it. Both are in need of staking in the very near future, and are quite sativa dominant in stature. Theyve only just begun to flower this season, the third is still unsexed at the moment and probably the least healthy plant in my garden. In terms of flowering, they've taken longer than my haze hybrids this season to sex as well.

G13 x Sk
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very nice G13/Sk's jesse its been a long time my friend...nice to see you on the boards...i also recently took on the task of the G13/Sk and got three females that are very stretchy and took bout 21 days of 12/12 to show sex...but u are right they deliver one heck of a sativa high for a mostly indica dominant bud appearance...great to c u around again
 
Hi C101, :)
Hope you're well my friend? Thanks for stopping in, a lot of work recently in the garden for me. Carrying in the materials you need can be a burdensome process when you're living in challenging terrain, but the more work you put into your garden the more rewards you will enjoy.

The G's have recently been transplanted, with one requiring a stake for now. Below are a couple pictures of each G female respectively this season. They are both 6 and 1/2 feet tall and I suspect will easily hit the 7 foot mark without problems before its all said and done. With no male present from this batch, im looking forward to hitting these girls with some pollen from a select SSH x MH male this season who I have a great deal of confidence in. If these girls have anything to offer me, Ill be a very happy camper with this particular hybridization.

G13 x Sk female 1
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G13 x Sk female 2
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This is my 3rd G13xSk this season, it has thus far not sexed but Ive got a hunch its a female. The plant has an odd look too it, Ive almost culled it a couple times but ultimately decided to keep it and see what happens.

G13 x Sk
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Your g13skunks look very well , this variety has indeed some real haze looking slow sativa phenos , considering skunk shares common origins with the Haze its not really odd to see few stretchy haze looking late finishers that smell and grow quite like haze. I was surprised to see such phenos had amazing vigor growth and their leaves are really dark yet vivid green colored with a thick layer of wax on top , pretty much like some indoor housplants with origins from the tropics with those lush green super shiny and reflective leaves. They produce some really strong smoke thats for sure and the yields are quite good as well.

The leaves on the last pic's plant look like my MH that had the similar problem, according to Shanti and others it looks like a virus/bacterial infection but if she grows out of it it should be fine and yield great as well. I wouldnt really use her for reproduction thats all to be on the safe side.

I had one SSH that was like that , 4 - 5 or so Mango Haze , and Shanti had also written over uk420 that it comes from the haze father side. The infected plants grow with no probs whatsoever considering they receive enough light nutes etc etc and they usually grow back to normal growth suring flowering or at least the new leaf growth doesnt show the problem as much as in veg; the buds grow normally all the way most of the times and the production is not affected really.

Good luck and cant wait to see these loaded with big frosty flowers

l33t
 
when i grew out Shark Shock i had a similar pheno with the leaves and assumed it was just a genetic thing...it seems that the skunk has a bit of potential to throw out the unusual (but very cool looking) plant...mine yielded very well and she was quite the yielder tho she wasn't kept the leaves had no effect on the yield or quality of the buds by any means...those are some beasts and they are taking off...G13/Sk and MangoWidow have been the two most vigorous varieties i've ever grown and the G13's just stretch like crazy but i bet they'd be good in a sog grow with like a weeks veg u'd have some very nice foot long buds with the vigor of those Gunks
 
Your g13skunks look very well , this variety has indeed some real haze looking slow sativa phenos , considering skunk shares common origins with the Haze its not really odd to see few stretchy haze looking late finishers that smell and grow quite like haze

Hey l33t and C101 :)
I agree there are without question many plants within the G13 x Sk line that are very sativa dominant. "Hazey looking" if you will. The strain description list these plants as 'predominantly Indica' though, a description I had seen myself with my previous runs with the G13 x Sk Beta test seeds. All of the plants from the last couple packs I found were very much sativa dominant however. I could see some customers biting off more than they bargained for with this line in some cases. I was prepared for a long season to begin with, so definitely not an issue for me. But for others, they may be surprised to see a plant that touches the sky in their backyards lol.

As I suspected, the plant that has a very odd look to it is indeed a female. She showed sex definitively yesterday, so now its just a waiting game. Ive got some work ahead of me yet, but if all goes well I think it should be a good harvest this season. I believe I tried to germinate my final 8 or 9 seeds this season(from a pack easily 2-3 years old), exact numbers are a bit sketchy now. But out of those remaining seeds, I got three plants to germinate. One of them was very slow to grow compared to the other two, but finally worked itself out. All three were female, much to my dismay in a way because this is an interesting line and I would like to work with her again in the future. But this has provided me with an opportunity to pollinate these girls with a select MH x SSH male who is quite peppery and strong in medicinal effect. Below is a close up of one of the G13 x Sk plants this season, as you can tell shes only now started to flower.

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Hi everyone :)
Just a few updates on the G13 x SK, below is the plant that has a very strange appearance about it. It actually started off as a completely healthy looking, serated edge leaf phenotype that stood out from the other two in that respect. In the strain description, these plants are listed as being the ones to keep an eye on. Ive at times wondered if this plants appearance isnt related to the inbreeding process this line has underwent. Very possible its a virus of somekind, definitely a unique look to it though.

G13 x Sk
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The Great Outdoors

Hi mate,

Good to see all's well, excellent show , got me thinking about dropping my last 10 beans :) , catch you around man :)

peace bro
 
Hi Jesse ,i have expieianced the same wierd growth with the up turning edges,and the virus and does't seem to affect things to much. I kind of like the look and used her to cross with a male ssh and the smoke was great.Gw
 
Hey JessE:D...she looks awesome...I believe the genes may have realigned just right for you, my friend...interesting phenotype...very unique expression...jay:)
 
Hey Lord, jay and Red :)
Good to see some interest kicked up on my deformed G13 x Skunk plant this season lol. The plant is a little over six feet tall at this point and is blooming steadily, handled the transplant last week like a champ without issues. Shes been on a primarily all water diet, with a very rare molasses feeding every now and then. Even then sparringly really, im coming up on the end of the molasses bottle which lasted me two seasons. Not bad for $4.

This particular girl is just a scary looking plant to me, it reminds me of a jack o latern during halloween for some reason. Even in the beginning of this plants life, it stood out from the other two in the fact the leaves were very serated. At one point in time this plant looked completely healthy, but later in its cycle started to exhibit this unusual look but has otherwise grown fine I believe.
 
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The Stealth Gene

Hey Lord, jay and Red :)
Good to see some interest kicked up on my deformed G13 x Skunk plant this season lol. The plant is a little over six feet tall at this point and is blooming steadily, handled the transplant last week like a champ without issues. Shes been on a primarily all water diet, with a very rare molasses feeding every now and then. Even then sparringly really, im coming up on the end of the molasses bottle which last me two seasons. Not bad for $4.

This particular girl is just a scary looking plant to me, it reminds me of a jack o latern during halloween for some reason. Even in the beginning of this plants life, it stood out from the other two in the fact the leaves were very serated. At one point in time this plant looked completely healthy, but later in its cycle started to exhibit this unusual look but has otherwise grown fine I believe.

Hey JessE...:D

Call me crazy, I would want to cross a plant like that with other strains to see if I could pass on that "deformed" trait...if she performs well otherwise, I would think she would be awesome for a low profile outdoor grow...people wouldn't know what it was:cool:...after all, like you said, it doesn't look like cannabis...jay:)
 
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