Fem seeds and there impact on the future of the species known as cannabis.

[GreenintheThumb]

Green how many seed plant grows you done from reading think you have grow 4 or 5 years correct me if i am wrong as i know you will and in that time you have grown mostly clones correct maybe so many hybrids select from to and grown indoors under perfect or almost perfect environmental conditions correct unlike found in nature.

Funny how this has been covered in THIS VERY THREAD! I don't do clone grows, I do seed grows, have done it as my sole source of income for 8 years now.

Explane to us as your the man in the white coat that seams to know more than any one posting here or thinks to know more than any one posting what importance dose a male bring in the union of a fem and male canna plant because the male brings more than pollen but we have been threw this pages ago any way.

Yeah, so funny how it's been done pages ago and you still don't get it.

A male brings autosomes which by their very definition aren't solely in the males. The only thing a male brings that the females don't have is the Y. Large portions of this Y are the PAR. This pseudo autosomal region also acts like an autosome and recombines with the X normally. Again, these genes are on the females too. So please put on your scrappy ass lab coat and explain to me how a male repairs jack shit.

while your at it explane to us on a more complex level and not in unproven thearys as there like a cheep whore over used and no fun why do some plants express in late flower a few male pollen pods and yet seeds from it if pollen is used to pollinate a clone of its self that is in early flower will not or why clones of it will not for generation after do the same or why a plant in early flower can produce a single seed at the node yet have no seed in any part of the plants flower at harvest.

Is english your first language? Some of the S1s won't show the intersex trait because it CAN be recessive. GASP!

Why not explane to me and others how can a plant in flower grow out a new small branch with only a male flower yet the clones from this plant grown generations later dont you cant can you.

Guess not but I've also not seen it happen, ever; not once. In fact, I've never seen a good documented case of this at all. You know besides your ramblings, in fact it's a lot like those who claim to get 70% females. There's nothing around to back it up

 

[Kangativa]

Ah Hempy what happened to the good old days when your word was your word.
I guess mate nows days there is so much bullshit about what strain is what and all the other crap that comes with the modern canna community that the only thing a lot of people believe is what someone put in a book.
I guess one consolation is while they are sitting behind there computers going bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, we are laughing our arses off.......ahhh what a wonderful morning it is today, time to go look after my 70% females

 

[Kangativa]

Oh yeah here is some numbers, sorry there is no males but there wasnt enough to show

 

[bushweed]

It must be pretty emasculating if all you ever get is 50% females to hear of others who after many thousands of grows record upward of 70% (SamS). But we're not interested in how big your dick is, as long your heart's in the right place (is it?), 50/50% is nothing to be ashamed of - if you were growing sat-dom plants in a subtropical climate like Kangativa, you'd get 70% too. But that's not really the issue here is it? I would suggest that Greeninthethumb despite his dissembling about 8 years of medical grows, is one of the bigger players with a lot of dollars invested in Fem seeds.

Sure you don't grow them - you just want to make a million bucks off the dumb pricks that do.

So let's chuck more chemicals in the environment for the convenience of lazy growers, more sterilized seeds so they have to pay up every season for what they should be sewing themselves, and let's ignore the parallels to the destruction of food species by Monsanto, and that we're really talking about the destruction of cannabis diversity. Now let's see how far up shit creek we can go without a paddle.

Now lets obfuscate the issue with science, or should I say research sponsored by those who can benefit from it, and make out that everybody opposed to Fem seeds is ignorant, and furthermore, let's make up myths about how anybody achieving greater than 50% females, are growing well disguised hermies. That way we can cover the whole issue in bullshit, because just as the Republicans, Tories and their sponsors in Big business have discovered - bullshit is inarguable. As long as it makes dollars it makes sense.

Seems like a pretty low brow ethos to me.

 

[MasterTrooper]

Hi bushweed!

Bro you just speak for my self!

Exactly Right Who give a F***! We do not buy those thing so stop trying to do some marketing for your fem seed market we're not interested!
For me it obvious their loosing big time here! Trying to promote their idea on Mr.Nice forum...

Good luck with your business anyway G in The T!

MT

 

[Donald Mallard]

Well its apparent we wont get anywhere with the % thing ,, i guess if you are getting 70% or saying you are with out proper controlled experiment s , it must mean you are a better grower than everyone else ,, cant argue with that kinda logic ...

im really glad our word isnt our word with cannabis these days ,, theres some research being done and its not all mythical rubbish as much as it once was , but some folk s are still stuck in the old days ...

just because someone grows lots of good cannabis , it doesnt make them an expert on cannabis , i dont claim to be and ive grown tonnes . just means your a good farmer ...

 

[biteme]

i am not sure of the veracity of this argument from either side but one thing i did notice over the course of the last five pages or so was that in spite of the heated nature on each side of this issue, the major speakers were from the land of oz and managed to each speak their piece without ever once resorting to name calling or abuses of the queen's language in any fashion. and so i have to ask why this is not always the case? once it was easy to blame the yanks for this lack of manners but brits are nearly as bad these days and i just do not get it? you feel your opinion is so valid that he who disagrees gets tagged with a name? i dont think so.

anyway, carry on folks and congratulations. i may not get it all but what is there is readable so thanks. peace-biteme

 

[Kangativa]

" Well its apparent we wont get anywhere with the % thing ,, i guess if you are getting 70% or saying you are with out proper controlled experiment s , it must mean you are a better grower than everyone else ,, cant argue with that kinda logic ..."

Donald honest mate it doesnt mean that at all.
Look mate as I first said when I mentioned the % thing is I found that putting seeds in a large deep cup started giving me a better percentage.....now how did I find this out.....I read it from a book and put it into practice and it worked, I also discovered a few other things along the way that helped and one of those is time I start my seed, which I learnt in the US and tempratures. Now another thing is nobody is growing my strains at the moment , except Bushy and even though he only has a few he is still getting more females.
So its possible its the strains, although I highly doubt it as I have had the same % with Shanti's and the other strains I am growing.
And mate what is a controlled experiment, are you talking in a lab or controlled conditions or just plain old lots of outdoor grows, if its the latter then I have done lots.
Also what more do you want than a fellow Aussies word.....thousands of plants with pictures of male and females in it, come on mate you just know thats not going to happen, coz i just dont do it.

 

[hempy]

Ah Hempy what happened to the good old days when your word was your word.
I guess mate nows days there is so much bullshit about what strain is what and all the other crap that comes with the modern canna community that the only thing a lot of people believe is what someone put in a book.
I guess one consolation is while they are sitting behind there computers going bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, we are laughing our arses off.......ahhh what a wonderful morning it is today, time to go look after my 70% females

Hiya mate i think generation x is missing the Y lol.

 

[Kangativa]

Hiya mate i think generation x is missing the Y lol.

Lol.....you got that right mate

 

[Donald Mallard]

i am not sure of the veracity of this argument from either side but one thing i did notice over the course of the last five pages or so was that in spite of the heated nature on each side of this issue, the major speakers were from the land of oz and managed to each speak their piece without ever once resorting to name calling or abuses of the queen's language in any fashion. and so i have to ask why this is not always the case? once it was easy to blame the yanks for this lack of manners but brits are nearly as bad these days and i just do not get it? you feel your opinion is so valid that he who disagrees gets tagged with a name? i dont think so.

anyway, carry on folks and congratulations. i may not get it all but what is there is readable so thanks. peace-biteme

Its great isnt it biteme , we are all friends here , we dont all agree , but kept civil is really is just a yarn between passionate growers .

Kanga ,, ill have to try some of those seeds next year , see what happens where i grow them ... ,, ps where was that grow tunnel ??

 

[bushweed]

It's hard to take the differences too seriously when we all like to have a good smoke and a laugh. Besides Donald Duck gets 60% females so he's really on our team anyway, just can't admit it for fear of offending some of his other friends

 

[Donald Mallard]

It's hard to take the differences too seriously when we all like to have a good smoke and a laugh. Besides Donald Duck gets 60% females so he's really on our team anyway, just can't admit it for fear of offending some of his other friends

hahaha , well youd have to admit when i said that i also said it goes either way ,, at the end equalling 50% .... gonna have to drill sam on that haze % though , see how many he ran etc ..

 

[Kangativa]

hahaha , well youd have to admit when i said that i also said it goes either way ,, at the end equalling 50% .... gonna have to drill sam on that haze % though , see how many he ran etc ..

Yeah mate sounds like a good idea. guess you are not going to get much more out of us...lol
Try Ed as well I think he was getting around the 70%......But dont take my word for that

 

[Donald Mallard]

Yeah mate sounds like a good idea. guess you are not going to get much more out of us...lol
Try Ed as well I think he was getting around the 70%......But dont take my word for that

You know we did have a statatisn come past in previous pages , someone who studies statistics , id say they would be an authority on statistics ...
so do u remember what he said ???
of course theres no reason to believe an expert on statistics ,, after all we are cannabis farmers ,, we dont need to listen to experts , we are held in awe by many a dead beat ,, hehehe ....

 

[hempy]

It's hard to take the differences too seriously when we all like to have a good smoke and a laugh. Besides Donald Duck gets 60% females so he's really on our team anyway, just can't admit it for fear of offending some of his other friends

lol like you more and more every day bushy funny buger lol..

 

[bushweed]

Hey what's the difference between Wally Mallard and Wally Walpamur?
one walks around barefoot in the jungle sniffing plants
the other walks around Myers wearing pants


- Nah seriously this guys one of the only men on the planet to get a strain named after him


- that's a Hempy joke

 

[Donald Mallard]

are u smoking that sillly weed again bushy ,, man you should be up on the right dosage per day by now , hehehehe ...

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Ah Hempy what happened to the good old days when your word was your word.
I guess mate nows days there is so much bullshit about what strain is what and all the other crap that comes with the modern canna community that the only thing a lot of people believe is what someone put in a book.
I guess one consolation is while they are sitting behind there computers going bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, we are laughing our arses off.......ahhh what a wonderful morning it is today, time to go look after my 70% females

Are you looking after your 70%. Funny how you can't pop a bunch and show us. Funny how I NEVER got 70%. Funny how Sam only got 70% over 2 decades ago in only one cultivar. Funny how Chimera never got 70% yet ran thousands and used molecular techniques to check his answers. Gosh I wonder who to believe...

 

[GreenintheThumb]

It must be pretty emasculating if all you ever get is 50% females to hear of others who after many thousands of grows record upward of 70% (SamS). But we're not interested in how big your dick is, as long your heart's in the right place (is it?), 50/50% is nothing to be ashamed of - if you were growing sat-dom plants in a subtropical climate like Kangativa, you'd get 70% too. But that's not really the issue here is it? I would suggest that Greeninthethumb despite his dissembling about 8 years of medical grows, is one of the bigger players with a lot of dollars invested in Fem seeds.

I have never sold a commercial seed. The money I have invested has gone to producing fine medical mostly organic medicine for my patients. And I've NEVER bought a fem seed pack that I would recommend. That however, isn't the issue here. The issue is on the merits of a technology that is useful for the end users.

Sure you don't grow them - you just want to make a million bucks off the dumb pricks that do.

If I don't breed them please tell me how I will make a million dollars off them. Remember Mr.Nice is the only ones selling commercially available fem releases. Why don't you ask Shanti about it after he gets back from his travels with Robert Clarke. You know, the guy Nevil claims is DEA. Funny how Scott still wants to go travel with Mr.DEA to get some fresh germplasm.

So let's chuck more chemicals in the environment for the convenience of lazy growers, more sterilized seeds so they have to pay up every season for what they should be sewing themselves, and let's ignore the parallels to the destruction of food species by Monsanto, and that we're really talking about the destruction of cannabis diversity. Now let's see how far up shit creek we can go without a paddle.

Gynoecious releases aren't sterile. Monsanto has never commercially released terminator technology. Again things that have been covered to death in this very thread.

Now lets obfuscate the issue with science, or should I say research sponsored by those who can benefit from it, and make out that everybody opposed to Fem seeds is ignorant, and furthermore, let's make up myths about how anybody achieving greater than 50% females, are growing well disguised hermies. That way we can cover the whole issue in bullshit, because just as the Republicans, Tories and their sponsors in Big business have discovered - bullshit is inarguable. As long as it makes dollars it makes sense.

The truth benefits everyone bushweed. Gynoecious releases are nothing to fear. The people you so respect in this game aren't qualified to breed selfing peas.

Why do you think Sam never got 70% females again? What's your explanation?

Seems like a pretty low brow ethos to me.

Let me know when you come with some facts and I'll read your posts again.