Blast From The Past

Nevil said:
The NL strains were grown and bred under lights in small spaces. These were among the most advanced indoor lines on the planet. Small growers, like many of you created them. Good work can be done with small numbers.
I'd suggest that instead of using the 3 or 4 best males as a group, you use each one individually on different buds on the plant.
Another point is that you can try making your own hybrids. This is often more rewarding than trying to clean up a line into an IBL.
I applaud Joshua's efforts to encourage everyone to breed cannabis. When everyone breeds cannabis, the genetic revolution will come. Expect miracles, they happen all the time.
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musashi said:
Here's another gem, 2014 test of Mango Haze. Showing high numbers for pinene, ocimene, and signature caryophyllene. Of interest, it includes component numbers and values for CBG and THCVA. I'd be interested in a terpene comparison with the new Mango x AC.

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@musashi would you know what the F7 and M3 refer to? I am guessing female #7 and male #3 from the original selection pool but my guesses are often a mile off the mark :ROFLMAO:
 
About Shantibaba...
My name is Scott Blakey and after years of traveling South East Asia, South America and Europe I spent some time in Pune, India and lived with a group of Sadu’s (holy men) who nicknamed me Shantibaba, which I took to meaning a peaceful man inside! The name kind of stuck and soon people who knew me well and travelled always called me Shantibaba.

I spent a lot of time with this group of Sadu’s and smoked the chillum with them daily, as a kind of spiritual/cultural use. It was part of their life and I recall thinking how exceptional these people are to having achieved a status in the world and country of India to do this; own nothing and receive food and respect from the public so they could continue to follow this path.

It kind of cemented my chosen path in life, and that was to pursue Cannabis and try to achieve something similar in my world. Forty odd years later I feel I achieved and am achieving a series of enlightened moments within this world of Cannabis, mainly through genetics but also by medical applications. Cannabis has made me a better person and while this may not be the same for others it is clear to me that it has enhanced my life’s journey.

At almost 60 yr old my passion has not waned and I love planting seeds and seeing what I made with every new crossing or pollination. It has not become monotonous, nor has it ever been boring and mundane. Finding combinations of naturally selected plants to breed new hybrids, remains an absolutely wonderful and fulfilling occupation, and I feel one of the fortunate ones on Earth. It has not all come easy, but nothing worthwhile does! I believe I will continue this line of work, hobby and job till I am no longer on Earth, and enjoy sharing the fruits of my findings with equally enthusiastic growers and users of Cannabis worldwide.

https://shantibabaseeds.com/pages/about-us
 
What is Breeders Support and Information?
Oct 3, 2021
@musashi

This heading, is listed as number 6 under the overall heading: MNS Strains and Grow Diaries- for growers to exchange photos and reports of all MNS strains. As one can see from the heading, it is primarily designed for MNS growers and breeders of MNS stock; a place to come and discuss your best practices, your efforts and your successes in working with MNS seeds.

Lately, some have taken it upon themselves to post and promote seeds and breeders of other companies under this heading, necessitating this clarification. This was not what this forum was designed to do and these posts have typically been taken down. We are secure in what we at MNS have to offer; we do not care to become a clearing house or an advertising platform for others. We try to exercise patience and tolerance, however some take advantage of our kindness. I'm sure they have their reasons and motivations, unfortunately we cannot accommodate everyone and in the end, it defeats the true purpose of this site which is to promote MNS.

Continuing forward, please feel free to submit anything and everything that has to do with MNS seeds and the breeding of. Submission of other strains from other companies in this section is inappropriate and will be removed. Thanks for your understanding.

https://mrnice.nl/forum/threads/what-is-breeders-support-and-information.17801/

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This just came up on one of my news feeds and I'd never seen this before. Didn't want to start up a new thread, so I figured it'd be best to put it here, because there's never much posted about the original Mr Nice, Howard Marks. Here he is with Ben Dronkers of Sensi.

Shanti and Howard prove you didn't have to be an asshole to market cannabis seeds back in the day:

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charlesufarley said:
This just came up on one of my news feeds and I'd never seen this before. Didn't want to start up a new thread, so I figured it'd be best to put it here, because there's never much posted about the original Mr Nice, Howard Marks. Here he is with Ben Dronkers of Sensi.

Shanti and Howard prove you didn't have to be an asshole to market cannabis seeds back in the day:

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Cool. Do you know, Chuck, if Howard claimed to have a favorite strain, and what it was, if he did?
 
Swifty said:
Wasn't it Nordle?
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Not sure about that, Swifty. Prior to reading the article linked below, I thought it was the G13 Hashplant (aka Mr. Nice); but according to this article, it sounds like it might have been SSH:

Britain’s best loved drug smuggler – an interview with Howard Marks

Britain’s best loved drug smuggler – an interview with Howard Marks - The Mancunion

The proud former leader of a hashish trafficking empire talks about legalising cannabis and eating dog food
mancunion.com mancunion.com
 
Freedom_Fighter said:
Not sure about that, Swifty. Prior to reading the article linked below, I thought it was the G13 Hashplant (aka Mr. Nice); but according to this article, it sounds like it might have been SSH:

Britain’s best loved drug smuggler – an interview with Howard Marks

Britain’s best loved drug smuggler – an interview with Howard Marks - The Mancunion

The proud former leader of a hashish trafficking empire talks about legalising cannabis and eating dog food
mancunion.com mancunion.com
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I thought I heard it in a podcast before but I could be wrong, looks like it was SSH (I can see why :)).
 
The strain description for Nordle mentions that it was named by Howard.


[td]This hybrid is probably one of the most consistently good alrounders.It has diverse uses and since it was named by Howard as a tribute to the good old days...well what more is there to add?[/td]
 
Nordle has no connection to being Howard's favorite strain.
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Hi All

Well after a bit of a tour with Howard anda few long nights blazing on...Howard asked me to change the Afghan Skunk name to NORDLE. His reasoning for this request is that his first load of Afghan hash that was done with the Irish character Jim Mcain was the time they code named Hash and Ganja to the name NORDLE. Now I did not recall if this was purely a fabricated name for the wheeling they did or if it had any signifcance other than that....

So just to let you all know NORDLE is a new MNS strain name and is the plant AFGHAN Skunk.

All the best Sb

shantibaba

Thread 'Change of name of a MNS strain....'

Hi All


Well after a bit of a tour with Howard anda few long nights blazing on...Howard asked me to change the Afghan Skunk name to NORDLE. His reasoning for this request is that his first load of Afghan hash that was done with the Irish character Jim Mcain was the time they code named Hash and Ganja to the name NORDLE. Now I did not recall if this was purely a fabricated name for the wheeling they did or if it had any signifcance other than that....

So just to let you all know NORDLE is a new MNS strain name and is the plant AFGHAN Skunk.

All the best Sb
 
musashi said:
Shantibaba's grow room tips:

10 top tips

In my work I get to travel the world searching for botanical specimens and seeds, see different cultures and understand why people do and live how they do. In the last 20 years, I have been fortunate enough and trusted enough to be invited into growing operations on all scales all over the world during my travels, which now happens more frequently than it did before.

This is quite amazing to me and touches me deeply but far beyond that it shows me that people who are desperate and sick with limited time left on Earth will still attempt to plant a seed and grow a plant to get what otherwise they could not get . As a consequence it is taking away the black market of cannabis to some extent and replacing it with a sensible and natural medicine regulated and grown by the sufferers to be affordable and to manage pain for the sufferers. This means cultivation is limitless and knows no borders... after all; it is merely a simple herb.

There are numerous books available that detail every facet of cultivation that is not my intention for this article. But since my life's journey has presented me with a lot of opportunities to cultivate, I would like to share the top ten pieces of experience that may be of help to those who are growing, thinking to grow or using cannabis to help their life, as I do.

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Beginning with a known seed and its origins rather than using seed that came from some unknown source will reduce the possibility of your garden producing something that does not do the job you had hoped for. Get online and ask fellow growers world wide what seed they tried and where they got it etc. will be time well invested.

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Use the K.I.S.S (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle in your approach to making your garden. There are so many different mediums to grow in, so many different foods so many opinions that in the end if you limit yourself to learning one or two facts about cultivation from each growing experience, you will know rather than need to ask. I always advise people to grow on soil from their local garden suppliers using locally made nutrients compatible with growing basic annual herbs and flowers, initially. As you become more confident with more grows you can choose to try other techniques etc. You will make mistakes that is certain, so why invest in anything too technical before it is warranted?

3.
Learn to use ph and ec metres to understand water, not only for the plant but so you know how to identify invisible causes that can be critical in general life. How many people know the ph or Ec of the tap water from where they live? We raise our families on it, cook with it clean ourselves with it, but most of us take it for granted that someone else is doing that. As you understand this point you will see that most of the crucial things we rely on to live are all invisible like air, electricity, gas and vitamins and far too many of us take far too much for granted. Empower yourself and take charge or at least be aware what is around you, it will change how you look at life.

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Air flow and air circulation is probably my most important single element in setting up an Indoor room. A very useful tip is to try to create a negative pressure. Making the size of the incoming inlets of air three times smaller than the size of the outgoing air, will force air to flow from one area to another as well as ensure old air is changed regularly. Air flow directly relates to control of temperature, humidity, smell and pressure known collectively as CLIMATE. Controlling the air movement will guarantee plant health on a fundamental level, so spend time and money on this factor.

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Prevention is always preferable to problems. Keeping growing areas clean from dead plant matter. Regularly cleaning with peroxide, ammonia or similarly powerful but friendly products used for cleaning will reduce the likelihood that fungi, pests, eggs or bacteria not wanted in a room will not grow there. Remember that an indoor room is a perfect environment for things to grow - both good and bad, so be hygienic and clean on a daily level.

6.
Electricity should begin from your waist and go up while all water and watering devices begin from your hips and go down. In all my rooms all electric cables or sockets are set high up while all water or hoses are set low down, that way your room will remain friendly, not dangerous and avoid inevitable accidents that happen as a result of either overflowing water or fire caused by cabling or accidents that occur when water meets electricity (probably 80% of the reasons people in NL get problems with authorities).

7.
While it is important to have good lights, the importance of pitch black darkness and the consistency/regularity of this pitch black hours of darkness will determine the flowering cycle and density of the flower. When you change your light time from growing (18hrs/6 dark) to flowering(12/12dark) then being consistent and maintaining an uninterrupted 12 hours of dark is the most necessary thing to do to make the flower reach its potential at harvest.

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Many people spend too much time on reflection material like myelin etc. a simple method is to use industrial vinyl used to line fish ponds as the base of the room, attached to the walls about 5 metre high making a swimming pool base in case water leaks etc. Then from 5 metre line the walls with a white/ black/ white plastic which will give plenty of reflection to the plants as well as making sure no light escapes. It is easy to clean and help to clearly define water areas and electrical areas for the eye.

9.
The choice of growing/flowering medium should be one that you initially feel confident to use. Do not begin growing in a new room on a new type of medium, as this can cause too many problems to deal with and act to complicate the grow rather than to relax and enjoy the growing.

10.
Finish the room and run it for a few days before you decide to use it for growing. The reason is it is much simpler and less work to make sure all systems of the room like air, exhaust, temperature etc. are checked without plants but run as if plants are in there for a few full day cycles. This factor will allow you to begin the new grow knowing your room is in good order so the only things that can go wrong are with the plants or human error. Inevitably you will reduce the unknown factors and things in growing that do go wrong will be easier to pin point.

If someone sticks to these basic set of principles in setting up a growing room inside then you will be on the right road to becoming a competent and happy gardener. Success in what you do

Shantibaba
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Sure wish I would have had this advice when I started. I jumped in with both feet and $1000.
 
charlesufarley said:
Right there with you! If I would have had this one back in the day, it would have saved me quite literally decades of experimentation in the '80s and 90s:

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I hope not to sound offensive with the following message. It is meant as a constructive comment on this interesting piece of breeding history. However, after hearing more and more young breeders referring to similar timelines in their approach, I feel that a deeper reflection may be appropriate.

The passage from Shantibaba is undoubtedly interesting, but it reflects a level of experience and genetic control that few breeders can realistically match. When he says it takes five generations to make a stable strain, he is describing an ideal scenario that assumes a series of conditions rarely met outside professional and highly structured programs.

The real point of concern, however, is not the idea of five generations itself — which is technically sound — but the timeline of only 1.5 years. That window is extremely short and doesn’t allow time for the essential steps that truly define a stable line: test crosses, evaluation across multiple environments, verification of trait consistency, and adjustments to correct unexpected segregations.

In professional breeding, these intermediate stages often take longer than the generational turnover itself. You can, in theory, run five generations quickly, but without proper observation, replication, and feedback, you end up with a line that’s only temporarily uniform, not genetically stable.

Moreover, Shantibaba’s method presumes not only clear breeding goals but also deep familiarity with each parent’s genotypic map, their dominant and recessive traits, and their behavior under various growing conditions. For most breeders, especially those still learning or those working with less-defined germplasm, these parameters are not so precisely known. In such cases, the process of stabilization becomes less predictable and far longer.

That’s why this “five-generation in 1.5 years” model, while theoretically possible, is realistic only for breeders of Shantibaba’s calibre, with access to extensive genetic libraries, refined selection protocols, and the ability to run multiple generations quickly under controlled conditions. For most others — particularly those engaged in genuine exploration rather than recombination — true stabilization takes much longer, often several years of testing and readjustment.
 
ENGLISH said:
Old english company early 90s.
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This place is adjacent to the Police station. People could always smell cannabis when in those cells, in the catacomb's and librarys under the city where the Real King was hidden around Grayfriars, where that tunnel system interconnects secretly and leads to the filing areas and older bits of the underground town, this is where the magic and the untold things happen that happened. The company before it is into real estate. Currently today the Police are underground overground, still looking for Cannabis..
 
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