Blast From The Past

If anyone has duplicates or old seed bank catalogs (1990s and older) that they no longer have a use for, I would love to purchase some. I’m looking to start collecting vintage cannabis pieces, starting off with magazines and cannabis seed catelogs!! Dm me if there anything you wouldn’t mind throwing up on eBay or something like that. I could have them shipped to USA or Canada I have the ability to pick them up in either location as I’m not far from the border. @ENGLISH @Tetsuo 👀 lol 😉
 
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During the 1980’s, Neville Shoenmaker, allegedly traveled to the Netherlands to obtain treatment for a drug addiction, because at the time, the Dutch were renowned for their addiction treatment facilities. While there, Neville slowly started the first Dutch marijuana mail order seed bank, and over the course of time became very successful for himself, ultimately becoming a legend in the marijuana breeding community for his efforts to introduce, market, breed and distribute some of the most high profile varieties of cannabis of our time. Varieties such as Haze, Northern Lights, Afghani, Hindu Kush, G13, etc. became household names all over the world and these varieties quickly gained reputations for themselves as some of the most outstanding cannabis strains to ever grace a hillside or greenhouse. All of the aforementioned varieties above have their own unique and colorful histories, but their marketing and distribution to the masses can be accredited too the charismatic Australian breeder known as the original ‘King of Cannabis’, and were all made famous during the 1980’s at Neville’s mansion, The Cannabis Castle, and sold through his catalogs for The Seed Bank, Holland’s first Cannabis Seed distribution company. The Seed Bank, ran by Neville (a man who once boosted to have set the school record for number of strapping’s received in a year (over 900)), was the first Dutch seed bank in the Netherlands and eventually lead to an entire industry of cannabis seed breeders who decided to cash in on the underground market for quality cannabis seeds, many of whom just rehashed Neville’s original varieties with new names, new hybrids and new stories that only continue to grow as the years passed by. Today, many of the varieties who have gained notoriety in the past 20 years are directly descended from the varieties offered at The Seed Bank during the 1980s, with many being the same old genetics, but with a new name and occasionally a different twist. Many of the varieties Neville marketed were later sold to his partner, Ben Dronkers at Sensi Seeds, which later became one of the most prolific seed banks in Holland during the early to mid 90s, likely attributed to the fact they were using stock purchased directly from Neville which were the originals that were marketed from the early days at The Seed Bank. Neville went on to many endeavors in Holland, working as both a breeder for select companies, as well as providing marijuana for many Dutch coffee shops, even owning his own coffee shop.Sometime in the late 1980’s or early ‘90s he was arrested in Perth, Australia after being listed on America’s Top Ten Most Wanted and spent a year and a half in a western Australia jail fighting an illegal extradition case with grounds for an appeal being that Neville held both a Dutch and Australian passport. From there, Neville spent quite a few years afterwards underground before re-emerging in the early half of the 21st century as a breeder and consultant with Mr. Nice Seeds, along side fellow Australian breeder, and legend in his own right, Shantibaba. Today, many of the top haze hybrids available on the market can be found at Mr. Nice Seeds, all of which can be traced back to the original ‘Haze’ lines obtained by Neville during the ‘80s which have gone on to win numerous awards in the cannabis industry. Along with Neville, Shantibaba (formally the Founder/Owner/Breeder of The Green House Seed Company in 1994) has taken many of the legendary old school lines of cannabis(and new school), and continued to set the standard for all other seed companies in the industry to follow. Almost all of the awards attributed to the top ‘Hazes’ today can be traced back to stock possessed by Neville and Shantibaba at the Mr. Nice seed bank.

Some of the top haze varieties offered by Mr. Nice Seeds, (fronted by Legendary International Hash Smuggler Howard Marks) include the infamous Super Silver Haze, which is a Northern Lights, Skunk#1 and Haze hybrid described as “the stash of stashes” that leaves one “gasping for reality” after only a few short hits from this multiple time Cannabis Cup winner. Along with Super Silver Haze, its sister variety Mango Haze has quickly garnered a reputation for herself as being amongst the finest strains of cannabis available from Holland at present time. On paper, the differences between the two varieties appears slight, however they are quite significant. The actual pedigree of Super Silver Haze consist of (Skunk x Haze C) x (Northern Lights#5 x Haze C). With Haze C being the result of a union of two pure haze varieties that were discovered from Haze seed stock made in 1969. This is where things can get confusing for a novice gardener, there yet exists another pure Haze variety, known in the Mr. Nice Seed circles as Haze A, which also consists of a union between two pure Hazes plants that date back to 1969. Both Haze A and Haze C are related varieties. The Mango Haze father plant is a (Skunk x Haze C) variety, which is also said to be the same father as Super Silver Haze, while the mother plant is a separate (Northern Lights #5x Haze C) variety, the sister plant to the mother of Super Silver Haze. You may have to stop and think about that for a second, but it should come to you with some time. It should be noted, technically both Mango Haze and Super Silver Haze are 50% Haze varieties, however Mango Haze overall in terms of growth characteristic appears to be the more Sativa of the two sister varieties. Having grown both varieties personally, I can tell you they are both excellent and well worth the time and effort required to grow them. Along with Super Silver Haze and Mango Haze, perhaps the most elusive and sought after ‘Haze’ variety on the market, is the aptly named ‘Neville’s Haze’. A variety which is touted as the most powerful cannabis known to mankind, the Neville’s Haze is a 3/4’s pure Haze variety that was crossed with a Northern Light’s variety in order to keep the flowering times remotely reasonable for most cultivators. The pedigree of ‘Neville’s Haze’ is actually Haze C on the male side of the lineage, crossed with a (Northern Lights x Haze A) female variety. Again, Haze C is the result of a union between two pure haze variety’s from 1969, with Haze A also sharing the same pedigree, which itself, is also the result of a union between two pure haze variety’s from 1969. Other Haze varieties available from Mr. Nice Seeds include (Afghan x Skunk) x (Afghan x Haze), (Afghan x Haze), Mango Haze x Neville’s Haze, Early Pearl x (Skunk x Haze), Mango Widow (Mango Haze x White (Black) Widow), Early Queen x Haze, and La Nina, who’s pedigree consist of the original White Widow father (South Indian hybrid) crossed to a pure Haze female, which is neither Haze A or Haze C.

In conclusion, the true history of Haze may never be known for certain. There are different versions of the legend, all of which seem to be cemented in some kind of fact but which are recounted differently according to the individuals you speak with. There are constants in the story though, such as the fact the Haze variety comes from two individuals known as the Haze Brothers, who were from the west coast of the United States of America who worked with numerous tropical sativa varieties in their quest to create what we now know today as Haze. There are numerous questionable haze’s available on the market as well, with the term “Haze” used quite loosely in modern times when describing varieties with known sativa characteristics as a species, not as an individual, specifically named variety. For those looking for haze varieties that are without question the best in overall quality , (with the awards, history and praise to back up their assertions), Mr. Nice seeds headed up by the legendary Shantibaba, Neville and Howard Marks may very well be your best bet in the quest for the true and authentic ‘Haze’.
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Familiar with the nym JessE from the history of Northern Lights post he did here, with corrections from Archivist. This is the first time I've seen a similar history with Haze... this forum needs more participants like JessE..
 
Oct 2009

Shanti said:

Hi All

just thought to share this piece of wisdom with you all....

When things in your life seem, almost too much to handle,
When 24 Hours in a day is not enough,
Remember the mayonnaise jar and 2 cups of coffee.

A professor stood before his philosophy class
and had some items in front of him.
When the class began, without a word,
he picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar
and proceeded to fill it with golf balls.

He then asked the students, if the jar was full.

They agreed that it was.

The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured
them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly.
The pebbles rolled into the open Areas between the golf balls.

He then asked the students again if the jar was full.

They agreed it was.

The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar.
Of course, the sand filled up everything else.
He asked once more if the jar was full.

The students responded with a unanimous 'yes.'

The professor then produced two cups of coffee from under the table
and poured the entire contents into the jar, effectively filling
the empty space between the sand.

The students laughed.

'Now,' said the professor, as the laughter subsided,
'I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life.
The golf balls are the important things - family, children, health, Friends, and Favorite passions –
Things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, Your life would still be full.
The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, house, and car.
The sand is everything else --The small stuff.

'If you put the sand into the jar first,' He continued,
'there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls.
The same goes for life.

If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff,
You will never have room for the things that are really important to you.

So...

Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness.
Play With your children.
Make time to get medical checkups.
Take your partner out to dinner.
Visit your parents.

There will always be time to clean the house and mow the lawns.

'Take care of the golf balls first -- The things that really matter.
Set your priorities. The rest is just sand.'

One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the coffee represented.

The professor smiled...... 'I'm glad you asked'.

It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem,
there's always room for a couple of cups of coffee with a friend.'
 
Jan 2009
Origins of Haze


Shanti-
Hi All

well been a little relaxed designing a hectare of gardens for the Gili Trawangan project which will be called Eco Villas Trawangan...a green experience.So sorry for the limited attention to the MNS family but appreciate all your understanding for taking time out over the Xmas New Year period with the family...

As for this thread, most of you know the versions about the Haze myths. There are always a few sides to coin, as you all know. I do not feel to keep regurgitating the side we believe is the truth, but it is the truth for Nev, myself and Howard.

I think most of your versions lead you to the MNS forum for the right reasons and in the end we must all work out a view on life based on the characters involved and their integrity.

My personal opinion is since so many growers/breeders/travelers existed in the 60s and 70s and alot of small pockets grew into legends like Mullumbimby in Australia, Mendocino in the USA, and so on...access to good Colombian strains, Panama strains, Indian, Thai, Afghani, Lebanon etc...versions of Haze were being made without the labels of Haze till they came into the hands of those who made it their passion to find and refine Sativa dominant hybrids. I have smoked plants in Australia that have been grown from landraces and inbreed for decades that are so close to Nev`s Haze A, Haze C and pure female Haze characteristics that it does not surprise me that confusion exists.So what ever you make of the facts as you know them , it is possible someone else was working on similar lines in opposite corners of the world at the same time...We all rely on stories from those who were there, but before them things were going on too, and from who did they come from....so as you see we are all just the hands of mother nature in the end and egos and stories are just that. Truth is in the genetics, the closer you get to a good start is by trusting other growers over time, and your own experiences.

Keep up the good beginning to the 2009 year and I wish you all the best Sb
 
 

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there's more of that, but the data size would probably blow up the server.
because we're at it: up to what file size can you post here?

for example this, part 1;
 

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Dec 2010
Nordle

Hi All


Well after a bit of a tour with Howard anda few long nights blazing on...Howard asked me to change the Afghan Skunk name to NORDLE. His reasoning for this request is that his first load of Afghan hash that was done with the Irish character Jim Mcain was the time they code named Hash and Ganja to the name NORDLE. Now I did not recall if this was purely a fabricated name for the wheeling they did or if it had any signifcance other than that....

So just to let you all know NORDLE is a new MNS strain name and is the plant AFGHAN Skunk.

All the best Sb
 
Lets contribute a little good ol' Krautness, shall we...

Oldest Growing advice in this thread aka Die lustige Hanffibel

Same as above in video documentation

Basically this little gem describes what Cannabis or Hemp (in German 'Hanf') can do to improve different soils and what it can produce for the benefit of the people that is in this case Fiber, Seed etc.
It encourages Farmers to implement Cannabis into their crop rotation to prevent soil fertility to decrease from monoculture, how it will outgrow any unwanted weeds and more.
It is very nice in its makeup and completely full color 1943(!) - the font used for the cover is called Sütterlin (Suetterlin) named after a teacher that developed it and is no longer written publicly these days. The main print is Fraktur or some would say Old English.

Definitely very convenient makeup, the cover shows already one of the special traits in Cannabis - the existence of male and female plants sperated from.each other. (Think of Chili, Fruit Tree and Berry Shrubs...mostly 2 in 1 although Pears need different bred lines for successfull pollination in many cases)

One of my favorites, next to the Gruener Zweig 73 Editions posted by @Guelaguetza which i was lucky enough to add to my library in physical form (contains some nice graphics as well, i have a PDF copy somewhere i will try to rememver and upload it)
The original Mel Frank Book would be nice to add to the library, also i have interest in the Sensi Seeds German growing advice if it would be possible to share a proper scan...just saying... ;)
 
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Many of us here at MNS spend time looking at past threads and often experience "aha moments" finding treasure- valuable information found no where else. There are so many historic gems that have increased our understanding of the plant, the players, growing techniques, the importance of terpene composition and on and on. Unfortunately, when we ported to this new format, many links were broken to the past. Yet much information remains and continues to be fruitful. The problem is how do we link it all, in a meaningful way. This is me talking out loud here. So, I thought I'd purpose this thread as a repository of useful, historic MNS related information. I'm hoping others will contribute if they find something within the MNS site that resonates and adds value to the whole. mu

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Sorry Musashi, probably I lost it, but do you know which year was published this article?
 
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