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Once upon a time i thought i could grow. At one time i was growing under 1000 watts of HID in a cool tube. The smallest bulb in the house was a 400 watt MH so i must have started seeds under that once. I grew large easy stinking harvests with basicly no effort at all. Then i had to stop for a bit and ended up having to buy new equipment. I have not had a proper harvest of senisble buds sinse then and as things have slowly gotten worse im looking at going without for the first time in many many years. Nightmare.
I replaced my light with a multi bar LED array and soon found out that anything i put under it suffered and produced tiny, foul tasting harvests. I took bar after bar off, down and down went the intensity and things still wouldnt work. I replaced that light with a cheap quantum board, tryed and tryed and yet still could not bring a sensible harvest. I came to the conclusion that its not possible to germ seeds under any LED and so i dug out my old 4 bar t5 24w per bar. Same sad distressed plants, it starts with seedlings that try to lean away from the light, if you watched them in time lapse they would be thrashing around... in the past they have grown into sad spindly plants, no branching whatsoever, curled and deformed growth, darkening leaves and incorrect number of fingers on each leaf. Mostly 3, no buds from such plants. Ok so im reading all this as light stress.. so down and down the intensity goes. Cut a long story short, if i want seedlings that dont try to escape from the light i have to start them at around 3.5 μmols s measured on a "spot on quantum par meter" I have started plants at 4.5 and not all but occasionally there is a sensitive one that will twist. This is starting to be the limit of how dim i can make the bulb, im currently using a single 24w T5 at more than one meter, to get 3.5 μmol requires starting seeds under glass. Ok so i started some new seeds, nurtured them carefully, perhaps a tiny amount of stress in one or two out of ten. 5 of them are now two weeks old, they look a few days old, they grew a stalk, opened the cotyldons, opened their first set of leaves and then stopped. They have moved a tiny amount since and are obviously going nowhere, but they are mostly normal looking, just like they cant make any more leaves. My PH soil probe arrived today and altho its not calibrated (it reads 6.5 when i dip it in calibration 7) it gives me enough of an idea to think that PH is ok if not great. To cover PH i have bought new soil aswell and done side by side with my recycled soil. I have had same results in fresh bio terra plus and also in John Innes No2. Im totally at a loss now, angry and frustrated after killing many expensive seeds. I dont understand if the problem really is intensity or if there is some other hidden issue. I have used canna nutreients, both un PH as per instructions and PH corrected. I have tryed bio tabs and also blood fish and bone because the plants dont drink so liquid nutes can be problematic. This has been going on for a long time now and im a very sad grower who is badly in need of a clue.
When i had one light and no idea, i had terrible practices and couldnt fail.. now it seems i cant grow anything. My current situation is that im slowly increasing the intensity on my seedlings, i built a little set of stairs out of bricks and now i have them at various hights to see how they react, the brightest being a daring 7 μmol because i just cant think of anything else that will encourage them to grow. I swear at one time i must have started seeds under all 4 bars it just makes no sense to me. I see people doing things in grow shows that are apparently impossible for me.
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Once upon a time i thought i could grow. At one time i was growing under 1000 watts of HID in a cool tube. The smallest bulb in the house was a 400 watt MH so i must have started seeds under that once. I grew large easy stinking harvests with basicly no effort at all. Then i had to stop for a bit and ended up having to buy new equipment. I have not had a proper harvest of senisble buds sinse then and as things have slowly gotten worse im looking at going without for the first time in many many years. Nightmare.
I replaced my light with a multi bar LED array and soon found out that anything i put under it suffered and produced tiny, foul tasting harvests. I took bar after bar off, down and down went the intensity and things still wouldnt work. I replaced that light with a cheap quantum board, tryed and tryed and yet still could not bring a sensible harvest. I came to the conclusion that its not possible to germ seeds under any LED and so i dug out my old 4 bar t5 24w per bar. Same sad distressed plants, it starts with seedlings that try to lean away from the light, if you watched them in time lapse they would be thrashing around... in the past they have grown into sad spindly plants, no branching whatsoever, curled and deformed growth, darkening leaves and incorrect number of fingers on each leaf. Mostly 3, no buds from such plants. Ok so im reading all this as light stress.. so down and down the intensity goes. Cut a long story short, if i want seedlings that dont try to escape from the light i have to start them at around 3.5 μmols s measured on a "spot on quantum par meter" I have started plants at 4.5 and not all but occasionally there is a sensitive one that will twist. This is starting to be the limit of how dim i can make the bulb, im currently using a single 24w T5 at more than one meter, to get 3.5 μmol requires starting seeds under glass. Ok so i started some new seeds, nurtured them carefully, perhaps a tiny amount of stress in one or two out of ten. 5 of them are now two weeks old, they look a few days old, they grew a stalk, opened the cotyldons, opened their first set of leaves and then stopped. They have moved a tiny amount since and are obviously going nowhere, but they are mostly normal looking, just like they cant make any more leaves. My PH soil probe arrived today and altho its not calibrated (it reads 6.5 when i dip it in calibration 7) it gives me enough of an idea to think that PH is ok if not great. To cover PH i have bought new soil aswell and done side by side with my recycled soil. I have had same results in fresh bio terra plus and also in John Innes No2. Im totally at a loss now, angry and frustrated after killing many expensive seeds. I dont understand if the problem really is intensity or if there is some other hidden issue. I have used canna nutreients, both un PH as per instructions and PH corrected. I have tryed bio tabs and also blood fish and bone because the plants dont drink so liquid nutes can be problematic. This has been going on for a long time now and im a very sad grower who is badly in need of a clue.
When i had one light and no idea, i had terrible practices and couldnt fail.. now it seems i cant grow anything. My current situation is that im slowly increasing the intensity on my seedlings, i built a little set of stairs out of bricks and now i have them at various hights to see how they react, the brightest being a daring 7 μmol because i just cant think of anything else that will encourage them to grow. I swear at one time i must have started seeds under all 4 bars it just makes no sense to me. I see people doing things in grow shows that are apparently impossible for me.
Help?