masey
Member
I would say it's pretty consistent with his nickname
Shanti is a grandpa now and with that comes wisdom. Jaques Machado said it best "why retaliate to somebody who is already in pain"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS69KNUJqko
A very poor way to try and sell seeds imo?
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Shanti is a grandpa now and with that comes wisdom. Jaques Machado said it best "why retaliate to somebody who is already in pain"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS69KNUJqko
shantibaba
Breeder and moderator
Hi All
Knowledge of historical pedigrees are very important when all parts of regulatory set of rules are verifiable. Cannabis has not nor still is botanically classified in varietal levels...so all the history of this plant is heresay...at best.
Nature created it, not man...we are merely the hand work of passing passengers who put our twist on things we select for nd the reasons we like them. It is like we all have the first clone of the original olive tree but grown in diverse weather, soil, climates, with differing food and water etc...have created so many sub species that all use generic terms to classify but are a long way from original strains. It has been an evolutionary development, rather than scientific one. Now we are moving into science and strict regulatory codes it seems a history is needed to explain how we got here. From now on we keep records but before it was individuals in pockets of the world that brought strains to the level they are...then people develop them as the specifications are revealed and understood and then desired...for certain reasons. All these pocket contributors have a certain history but it gets harder and harder to verify even single facts let alone a story when it is no longer close by.We rely on story tellers and scraps of so called facts...but remember even the bible is written by numerous people stories and someone compiling them. So at best they are nice stories based on facts that will never be verified...
I do think on both sides of this discussion and there are reasons and logic to parts ...but it is simply a person story verse another persons story with few alive from these days ...so it is a perpetual unraveling spiral and possibly like another parable to add to the Cannabible in time....all the best Sb
Knowledge of historical pedigrees are very important when all parts of regulatory set of rules are verifiable. Cannabis has not nor still is botanically classified in varietal levels...so all the history of this plant is heresay...at best.
Nature created it, not man...we are merely the hand work of passing passengers who put our twist on things we select for nd the reasons we like them. It is like we all have the first clone of the original olive tree but grown in diverse weather, soil, climates, with differing food and water etc...have created so many sub species that all use generic terms to classify but are a long way from original strains. It has been an evolutionary development, rather than scientific one. Now we are moving into science and strict regulatory codes it seems a history is needed to explain how we got here. From now on we keep records but before it was individuals in pockets of the world that brought strains to the level they are...then people develop them as the specifications are revealed and understood and then desired...for certain reasons. All these pocket contributors have a certain history but it gets harder and harder to verify even single facts let alone a story when it is no longer close by.We rely on story tellers and scraps of so called facts...but remember even the bible is written by numerous people stories and someone compiling them. So at best they are nice stories based on facts that will never be verified...
I do think on both sides of this discussion and there are reasons and logic to parts ...but it is simply a person story verse another persons story with few alive from these days ...so it is a perpetual unraveling spiral and possibly like another parable to add to the Cannabible in time....all the best Sb
Hootigh
Well-known member
Hilarious
Sounds like a guy who got with a pretty girl for the first time. Funny shit
Sounds like a guy who got with a pretty girl for the first time. Funny shit
jack hairy
Banned
yeah man, i loved that girl 
i grew some bagseeds that grew something similar but maybe better,
but that jack herer was the first one that i had a name to track down.
i grew some bagseeds that grew something similar but maybe better,
but that jack herer was the first one that i had a name to track down.
jack hairy
Banned
and it sounds like some people have found these lemon pledge fuelly citrus kind of plants in these lines, but it must not be very frequently that they pop up, one out of ten or twenty females or more. maybe some find them more often.
i should shut up and grow more of them, and then maybe ill find one.
i gave it a good try this year, with seven packs, 2 Mango, 1 SSH and 4 NH,
it was a good plan, but not good enough germination to have enough females to sort through.
now i would have to shell out a bunch more money to try again, or try my luck with f2's or crosses. and spend a lot more time.
somewhere, somehow, someone has/had something that was a lot more stable for that type of fuelly strength/high quality. maybe a lot of strains can throw plants like that and you just have to find the one in a thousand...
i should shut up and grow more of them, and then maybe ill find one.
i gave it a good try this year, with seven packs, 2 Mango, 1 SSH and 4 NH,
it was a good plan, but not good enough germination to have enough females to sort through.
now i would have to shell out a bunch more money to try again, or try my luck with f2's or crosses. and spend a lot more time.
somewhere, somehow, someone has/had something that was a lot more stable for that type of fuelly strength/high quality. maybe a lot of strains can throw plants like that and you just have to find the one in a thousand...
What is funny are the gyrations we put ourselves through just to be right. Some stories are downright kooky, defying logic and time frames.
Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
Who you gonna believe?
“None but ourselves can free our minds.” ~B. Marley
Yep.
Shaka
Mu
bluntmassa
Well-known member
I'd probably make a cross or F2, who knows you find that one who got away, you can win a cup.
not too mention some people will give you a few grand just for a clone. Figure you want the best, Shantibaba had to do it himself back in the day, you try hard enough you could do it too. Of course, you are going to have to grow some numbers. Really I can imagine Shantibaba pumping out a strain with almost 30% thc just using the CBD Crew method of testing everything. I definitely think people are going to out perform the classics in the future, really some are getting up around 30% THC. I kind of want to cross them all to Haze and Critical Mass just to see if it's worth working further. Worst case scenario I had a little fun with it, best case I kick ass in every cup and make a fortune selling clones and seeds.
Hootigh
Well-known member
I can imagine too. I imagine he does on a very regular basis. I personally have more experience with serious seeds than any other company and their fem bubblegum just tested at 27%. Their AK when it was back to back cup holder was measured at 29% in my garden (27.5 in hightimes). Gerrit of magus said his warlock before his bust in the states was pushing 30.
Warlock is only afghan x skunk, If only shanti offered any of those crosses (sarcasm). Old school genetics are not being surpassed just more people paying attention now and old school is not whats trending.
I haven't had much MNS experience but all i gather from others and my two female plant experience, is its all about finding the right pheno. My serious seeds experience the keeper pheno was hitting you in the face for almost every plant and maybe one freak. While nice everyone who buys it essentially grows the same plant. MNS seems more about picking a recipe you believe will produce a winner and doing selection yourself.
If you're breeding or looking for something unique i couldn't imagine a better place to start.
Ronin
Well-known member
I work around thousands of plants every day - all of the new super hybrids. They're what sells. I still prefer what Shanti is pumping out in my private life. I wish the weed world would stop being ruled by inflated lab numbers and names.
To me, it's like Italian food - It's better when there's just a few high quality ingredients in balance than when everything in the kitchen is thrown in.
We're lucky to have MNS around - I believe most of the guys who've been in the game for a long time realize this.
To me, it's like Italian food - It's better when there's just a few high quality ingredients in balance than when everything in the kitchen is thrown in.
We're lucky to have MNS around - I believe most of the guys who've been in the game for a long time realize this.
bluntmassa
Well-known member
Yeah, I bet 30% THC is possible in some MNS strains. I've done AK-47 before it was pretty good but not really better. I've never actually tested THC % on my own plants so I couldn't tell you what I'm getting for numbers though I'm sure I've gotten pretty high.
Definitely good still having MNS around still, seems even Nirvana has gone to the dark side, selling pretty much just fems and Auto fems, mostly just new popular genetics and they really ain't as cheap. Most clearly just want the money, no longer a desire to truly breed the best, you can buy GG#4 hacks everywhere, even Nirvana. Lol, I love how CA breeders act all high and mighty and then just use the same old genetics as everyone else in a single cross and act like it's gold. Then you have Bohdi being so popular but I don't really see him making anything but pollyhybrids with some cool names thrown around. He's great so I hear, though I think I can do about just as good.
It's pretty easy to see, just kind of hard to get people to believe they could breed just as good as 95%+ in cannabis. Of course then you have people like Shanti and crew making true breeding CBD rich strains, which still could be done just need lots of plants and testing everything, definitely a lot of work.
Definitely good still having MNS around still, seems even Nirvana has gone to the dark side, selling pretty much just fems and Auto fems, mostly just new popular genetics and they really ain't as cheap. Most clearly just want the money, no longer a desire to truly breed the best, you can buy GG#4 hacks everywhere, even Nirvana. Lol, I love how CA breeders act all high and mighty and then just use the same old genetics as everyone else in a single cross and act like it's gold. Then you have Bohdi being so popular but I don't really see him making anything but pollyhybrids with some cool names thrown around. He's great so I hear, though I think I can do about just as good.
It's pretty easy to see, just kind of hard to get people to believe they could breed just as good as 95%+ in cannabis. Of course then you have people like Shanti and crew making true breeding CBD rich strains, which still could be done just need lots of plants and testing everything, definitely a lot of work.
Hootigh
Well-known member
My experiences and thoughts exactly. Perfect analogy Ronin.
Tom bolenate
2021 COE Winner
Hi,
Seems like this old 5hz cut is spreading all around
Spain.....
I went to ttsc web site to see the Greek strain big sur was talking about on an other thread and found this:
New Arrivals NL5Haze & Black Sour - Tropical Seeds Company Seed Bank Blog Archive » Tropical Seeds Company Seed Bank
Best,
Tom Bolenate
Seems like this old 5hz cut is spreading all around
Spain.....
I went to ttsc web site to see the Greek strain big sur was talking about on an other thread and found this:
New Arrivals NL5Haze & Black Sour - Tropical Seeds Company Seed Bank Blog Archive » Tropical Seeds Company Seed Bank
Best,
Tom Bolenate
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jack hairy
Banned
yes, i feel almost anyone could make seeds that are just as good as shantis'.
in 30 years, what has he done for haze?
in that amount of time we should have solid haze hybrids.
not feedback from experienced growers that question whether he still has original parents to produce seeds because the results people are seeing from his seeds are not as good as they seemed to be before.
i cant say i can tell there is an issue, i think his haze seeds are still putting out nice plants. but how would i know if they were supposed to be better?
in 30 years, what has he done for haze?
in that amount of time we should have solid haze hybrids.
not feedback from experienced growers that question whether he still has original parents to produce seeds because the results people are seeing from his seeds are not as good as they seemed to be before.
i cant say i can tell there is an issue, i think his haze seeds are still putting out nice plants. but how would i know if they were supposed to be better?
Man grail widow is a winner in my opinion. Who's doing better? man, I don't know but if it's somewhere where you know, why you here, if it's not up to your standards? Nobody forced to buy or grow anything but what you choose to. Silly me saying it's the best shit ever you saying it's not, believe it or not, we both right cause it's our opinions. But only right to ourselves...
jack hairy
Banned
havent tried grail widow yet, so i couldnt say.
im here because of the haze lineage being tied to jack herer.
tried to grow more jack herer, but didnt find the same quality in two packs.
sensi forum treated me bad so i refuse to do business with them.
that led me to this place in search of haze genetics.
after growing mns seeds, quite a few and still not finding anything quite as good,
i think it is just as likely sensi's jack herer is original,
as likely as any mns strains are original.
i thought the jack herer wasnt legit anymore, because i didnt find a plant as good in those two packs as the first one i grew that came from a single seed.
now i see that the plant i had was rare and special, because not even mns seed can produce as good of a plant.
not that they cant or wont, just that its not at that level in every seed.
the best plants ive grown over the last few years were not mns seed, they were seed i made myself.
i keep cuts of mns strains for variety and breeding potential, not because of their standalone quality.
and i keep trying, to find what im looking for...
im here because of the haze lineage being tied to jack herer.
tried to grow more jack herer, but didnt find the same quality in two packs.
sensi forum treated me bad so i refuse to do business with them.
that led me to this place in search of haze genetics.
after growing mns seeds, quite a few and still not finding anything quite as good,
i think it is just as likely sensi's jack herer is original,
as likely as any mns strains are original.
i thought the jack herer wasnt legit anymore, because i didnt find a plant as good in those two packs as the first one i grew that came from a single seed.
now i see that the plant i had was rare and special, because not even mns seed can produce as good of a plant.
not that they cant or wont, just that its not at that level in every seed.
the best plants ive grown over the last few years were not mns seed, they were seed i made myself.
i keep cuts of mns strains for variety and breeding potential, not because of their standalone quality.
and i keep trying, to find what im looking for...
FORMULA1
that's absolutely true however this fascination with schoenmakers as some kind of hero comes with a lack of understanding who he was and his relation to this industry
Big Sur
Well-known member
Are banned people rebounding as reincarnated aliases? One post experts prevail.
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crazyhorse73
Well-known member
Agreed. Ace genetics are over-rated. Not one keeper. And I have tried quite a few as well. Good marketing and spin but lacking where it counts.
I am breeding with their Old Timers haze at the moment but really it's just to fill in time until I find a male from MNS.