The Great Cheese Deception

[Green man]

sooo ...if it is Skunk # 1 this thread been about talk about SHIT (the strain ).....soooo....so many pages of senior members talkin so much shit .......this variety ...Shit= Cheese ....is very well decomented by all the bullshit this sooo welll full oof knowledge growers talk in this thread .....hmmmm...one more thread ruined for the mr nice ruined thread collection ....



keep up the good ol bullshit .....SENIOR MEMBERS .....



ALLthe SHIT ,


gm

 

[hazyfontazy]

british hempire is not bigbuddha ,they are 2 different people ,i know them both

 

[pindulinka]

hazy they aint listening...
never mind its just the old boy network against the "new guys" or whatever fantasy they are experiencing.
I think one of the more perverse aspects is they are "liking" some the posts and seem to be goading each other on.
I have a feeling its just a Hazing, but they seem to want to get involved with others they drag into their puerile argument. Just step back, looks like either BH is just gonna have to put these cranks on Ignore or apologize for whatever they made up.... Nothing else can be done.
Hempy.. I think its fully clear that cheese is SK1 and its pretty obvious so what is the point you are trying to make, I remember smoking that skunk in Amsterdam in the early nineties and I got a speck of original cheese this summer from a friend.. surprise! It smells and tastes the same.
Otherwise keep in mind that I was dragged into this argument and felt it neccesary to clarify something that I forgot may confuse people outside my circle of internet friends. I also remember reading your posts on other sites and know the reputation you have, also your ability to add a cranky post to anything anyone ever grows or says that isnt approved by you. Its actually a running internet MJ forum joke, wanna start an argument start by disagreeing with hempy. Think I heard that one on Overgrow not sure anymore its a long time back. The retarded liars you are referring to in my scull type internet forum are some of the most brilliant folks in the industry, patients with illnesses of a life threatening order, doctors, researchers and otherwise many people you may know and respect or may have at least heard of. Because I also have access to a gas chromatograph and mass spectrometer I would also wager a guess that I know a few things about these strains you guys could just guess at, imagine that, should I try and get my hands on a genetic sequencer to put these arguments to rest.... I wish it was worth it for me to be honest but it isnt. Cheese is SK1, my tastebuds know that.
I would be very happy to present the information I have at the MNS forum but it seems very unfriendly to newcomers like myself, so I guess you guys win and remain ignorant.
I am finished with this thread and am very sad you decided to involve me in this nonsense.
Cheers
Pin

 

[Bubbla]

Why is it that every thread i read, turns into a Pissing competition ??

It seems to me that irrespective of what people are talking about, it always turns into an argument ? It also comes across to me, that some people are more interested in trying to prove they know more than who their arguing with, rather than talking about the topic being discussed.

I was under the illusion that knowledge was something to be shared, not used as ammunition to say, "I know more than you".

that's my opinion for what it's worth

 

[hempy]

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[Bubbla]

Do you know why this plant is still elegal ? I will tell you because there is no unity in this community most think there better than the next person or have ego and or agenda well in mind why is there a need for secretive sites yea say no more.

Your not wrong there mate. Far too many Ego's flying about in the cannabis community, it's a shame but that's life.

Your always going to get money men involved, you know the ones that hide behind a curtain of Marketing hype & general bullshit. You know what the say about people who shout the loudest mate, they've the most to hide. The people who do the real work just get on with it & let their work speak for itself.

Now can everyone stop bloody arguing....Please !!

 

[pindulinka]

I actually agree with most of what you say hempy and theres a lot of good points there that I think the others arguing in this thread should read.. Its a shame that it took so many pages to get to it.
There really is no argument here, its just a momentum thing. We are pretty much in agreement about the SK1=cheese thing eh. I think I overeacted in the last post but its hard to react in a "mature" way when someone talks about your (retarded) friends with such hatred.
Im sure youll agree with that too. I dont suppose youd react to your own words in any different way.
keeping that in mind I quit. thanks for calling me into this.
P.

 

[champa]

You know for guy that is making out to be mature and intelligent you sure are acting like a little punk in this post.

Your buddy british_hempire who your defending has used many handles to troll people me being just one to experience his bull shit and many others have also there is proofs available if you really seek it but i suspect you all ready know this to be factual but your trying very hard to cover this and more up a waste of time.

I posted as i have for years saying cheese is SK1 no secret and yet i am targeted for saying so its hype and marketing full stop.

These secretive invite only sites are fact and you know of such sites you stupidly admitted it in your last post forgotten have we lol are they still hyping polly hybrids i suspect so but who cares in all honesty but the point is its real so dont act like i am dilutional they existed and still do and you know it admitted there existence.

You guys are doing what in this post ? Showing your superior by flexing your Internet muscles ? Its comical you insult people and yet if they react there trouble makers and coursing the site to suffer well yes you guys are in fact.

Well heres an idea dont insult people and they wont react.

I am a running joke in the canna community am i ? The only joke is you my friend for thinking you and british_hempire and a few others i suspect are members of a privet site you all belong to in short a membership thinking they can come to this site and treat any one they feel is a threat or not towing yours or there ideology like shit well you need a reality check my friend.

In a community like Mr nice were we moderate ow selfs not get moderated by ego maniacs and why is it up until a set time frame this site ran like a family then when set members showed up you know your comrades all hell broke loose.

And dont play the medical cannabis card on me i have been a med user since 85 i think it was so well before medical cannabis use was even spoken about and i have given so much of my own personal grows for free to others med users who i know.

You guys are pathetic honestly you call your selfs pots people in real life if any of you pulled the shit you did on the boards you be on your back.

You talk like your important because you had dinner with shanti and haward and yet if you had asked them do they see them selfs as being above the rest of us there answer would be no they would tell you that there as important as a person germinating there first seed.

Do you know why this plant is still elegal ? I will tell you because there is no unity in this community most think there better than the next person or have ego and or agenda well in mind why is there a need for secretive sites yea say no more.

hempy, in my opinion you and your like minded friends are the problem, think about how many different and diverse people your little group have had problems with, what are you in the hundreds of people your group have upset, abused and attacked over the years?

the only common denomintaor in all those arguements is your group, i know you can't see that but to everyone outside your group it's pretty clear

there's an old story of a monk that had shit on his sandles, the smell was so strong and off putting that the monk found it impossible to ignore the smell and couldn't meditate or go about his duties, the monk believed it was the temple and his surrounding that had the effect on him, but as the monk left to travel he took his sandles and the smell of shit with him, in other words the problems the monk had followed him, it wasn't the monks surroundings

a similar story is the dog with fleas, you ever watch a dog with fleas, sitting scratching itself over and over, eventually the dog gets up and goes to a new spot, the dog believes it's the area that it making the dog itch but as the dog moves he carries his fleas with him and the problem continues

i think these stories are similar to you and your group hempy, you claim mr nice was a big friendly family, i think you're kidding yourself and trying to kid others, you and your group have always behaved like this, the difference was your group usually only had 1 target at a time and as there are a couple in your group that are on the same wavelength as yourself and jesse then your group tended to shout people down, the usual all out copy and paste attack and suggesting that whoever you happen to attack at the time has either alterior motives or knows nothing.

are you seriously suggesting that members haven't left this site as a direct result of you or your friends behaviour? the problem you have now hempy is people are fedup with your groups behavioural pattern and the amount of people you and your group have attacked and tried to slander has caught up with you, i guess the longer you guys have acted the way you have and with attacking or having problems with all these completely different diverse people then it becomes clearer that you guys are actually the problem, i believe that in the early days it was easier for you guys to try and suggest that new members were only going to start trouble but you can only repeat yourself so many times before people start to look for themselves, your group have had problems with many different people and your group will probably try to suggest that all these people are cancers of the canna community and the next coming of the antichrist or whatever insults and accusations your group decide to invent and fling at whoever you've had problems with, it's happened so many times already

 

[The Green Man]

Hi all,
Just wanted to chip in on the old Cheese discussion. I had the real deal Cheese cutting about 10 years ago. A friend who was a major player at the time had been given it as a swap for some nice Manali hash he had delivered in South UK. At the time it was only just gaining recognition and I grew it without really knowing much about it (the friend gave me a clone and I stuck it in my room). The first thing I would like to point out is that I passed clones on to many other growers and no 2 samples/plants looked the same - hydro and soil grows gave the plants different structures and flavours. To recognise the real cheese the best place to start is the fan leaves as the Sk#1 has passed on double leaf serrations. Secondly as has already been pointed out the branches are extremely thin and weak and bend like fishing poles after 6weeks of 12/12. Thirdly the plants grow lots of arms from the base but don't seem to put out many branches higher up - say above the 5th internode, which leaves them looking a little peculiar. Bud structure is piles of calyxs and very little leaf in the bud. Some of the pics in this thread are obviously crosses or fakes as they do not have the characteristics mentioned above. Unfortunately with the UK dope market being as it is the name Cheese has been widely used and ripped off in order to charge top dollar for anything remotely skunky let alone cheesey. Its the same story with 'Blues' and Blue Cheese. These names are lent to anything with even a hint of blue aroma. I had a real Blue Cheese plant for 8 years but hated the buzz and the taste so passed it on to other growers who now sell it for top whack. The double leaf serration and strange limb formation was present in the BC I passed on. Big Buddha Cheese is fuck all like the real cheese but again people have grown it out, selected what they think the cheese should look like and are selling clones to others who wrongly believe they have the real deal. Its a common story and one that lots of UK based growers in the know will be very familiar with.
What I would like to say is that a lot of people are arguing about things they actually agree on or are ignorant of! Yes some of the pics posted are the real Cheese whilst others will be Big Buddha clones and others will be skunk selections re-named to bump the price up. Put simply in the UK lots of people cannot be 100% sure of the varieties they are passed as clones and can only go on what they are told by the person who supplies them. Unfortunately this leads to bullshit, bollocks and misrepresentations. In the end its the person buying the bud who loses out every time.
If I come across the real cheese again I will post pics to compare to the others. I still have access to my old BC clone so will put pics up of finished buds when I next can be arsed to buy some.
Keep it green,
TGM

 

[british_hempire]

hempy, in my opinion you and your like minded friends are the problem, think about how many different and diverse people your little group have had problems with, what are you in the hundreds of people your group have upset, abused and attacked over the years?

the only common denomintaor in all those arguements is your group, i know you can't see that but to everyone outside your group it's pretty clear

there's an old story of a monk that had shit on his sandles, the smell was so strong and off putting that the monk found it impossible to ignore the smell and couldn't meditate or go about his duties, the monk believed it was the temple and his surrounding that had the effect on him, but as the monk left to travel he took his sandles and the smell of shit with him, in other words the problems the monk had followed him, it wasn't the monks surroundings

a similar story is the dog with fleas, you ever watch a dog with fleas, sitting scratching itself over and over, eventually the dog gets up and goes to a new spot, the dog believes it's the area that it making the dog itch but as the dog moves he carries his fleas with him and the problem continues

i think these stories are similar to you and your group hempy, you claim mr nice was a big friendly family, i think you're kidding yourself and trying to kid others, you and your group have always behaved like this, the difference was your group usually only had 1 target at a time and as there are a couple in your group that are on the same wavelength as yourself and jesse then your group tended to shout people down, the usual all out copy and paste attack and suggesting that whoever you happen to attack at the time has either alterior motives or knows nothing.

are you seriously suggesting that members haven't left this site as a direct result of you or your friends behaviour? the problem you have now hempy is people are fedup with your groups behavioural pattern and the amount of people you and your group have attacked and tried to slander has caught up with you, i guess the longer you guys have acted the way you have and with attacking or having problems with all these completely different diverse people then it becomes clearer that you guys are actually the problem, i believe that in the early days it was easier for you guys to try and suggest that new members were only going to start trouble but you can only repeat yourself so many times before people start to look for themselves, your group have had problems with many different people and your group will probably try to suggest that all these people are cancers of the canna community and the next coming of the antichrist or whatever insults and accusations your group decide to invent and fling at whoever you've had problems with, it's happened so many times already

Great post.

I think it all boils down to behaving like mature, sensible adults and ignoring people you don't like. I've been provoked into responding with insults of my own in the past and wish I'd never bothered and just made judicious use of the ignore list.

It's hard not to respond in defence of yourself when someone calls you a racist or makes up elaborate fictions about your supposed identity, but lots of people have been in touch to tell me to ignore it so it's clear no-one's taking these guys seriously.

One thing I would like to add is that if anyone does have any questions about any allegations then feel free to PM me, I've been talking to lots of you via PM lately anyways so I know many people have been around online for years and know enough to judge for themselves and have prior experience that allows them to see clearly what is going on here, so I have faith that the nice, mature, sensible people here far outnumber the 'lunatic fringe' and that gives me hope we can prove strong enough as a community to get through these hard times.

When shanti does get to see what's been happening lately I'm sure he will be throughly dismayed by it all, I doubt he will be surprised though. It's pretty bad behaviour for the three people who claim to have been his staunchest supporters to be the ones generating 99% of the problems he is going to see on his forum and in his inbox when he logs in.

I know I'm not the only one who feels bad that shanti has this problem to deal with, all we can do is add the miscreants to our ignore lists and behave in a way that shows others how adults should behave to each other. Most of all, we should stick to the purpose of this forum - cannabis and growing it for our own mental and physical benefit. If the three wise monkeys are ignored by everyone it will soon become clear where the root of the problem lies, responding to them only adds further fuel to the fire.

Right, it's cold and pouring down here, I've got a DVD of Silent Running ready and a stash of Hazes standing by, I'm off to recline, relax and forget all about the three not-so-wise monkeys of MNS and their shameful shenanigans. I just hope when I return to read and post about CANNABIS that is what I find has been posted, not more bullshit allegations and childish insults.

 

[JessE]

sooo ...if it is Skunk # 1 this thread been about talk about SHIT (the strain ).....soooo....so many pages of senior members talkin so much shit .......this variety ...Shit= Cheese ....is very well decomented by all the bullshit this sooo welll full oof knowledge growers talk in this thread .....hmmmm...one more thread ruined for the mr nice ruined thread collection ....



keep up the good ol bullshit .....SENIOR MEMBERS .....



ALLthe SHIT ,


gm

Hi Green,
This thread, and all of the others, start with the first post from the first page. The important part of this thread, which is demonstrating how many different versions of "Cheese" their is and the original picture of cheese first posted online so many years ago now is the true essence of this thread. If you're attempting to assertain anything from this thread, starting at the end is definitely the wrong direction to take. Try reading page one instead of the tail end of the thread marked by those attempting to ride the success of this thread and use it at their own devices.

Originally posted by Champa
hempy, in my opinion you and your like minded friends are the problem, think about how many different and diverse people your little group have had problems with, what are you in the hundreds of people your group have upset, abused and attacked over the years?

In my opinion, a member whose account was registered in 2009, but is now just posting and in this particular thread, is a troll.

Care to share with us your real identity?

Honestly, what a select few of you have did to this website is unforgivable. Many of us here built this place from the ground up, and left these same trouble makers to their devices at the other forums. Now they seem to have found their way here, and turned a forum which was about facts into a play ground for children, liars, cheats, frauds and charlatans. I am truly disgusted by you, and you know exactly who you are.

 

[british_hempire]

Hi all,
Just wanted to chip in on the old Cheese discussion. I had the real deal Cheese cutting about 10 years ago. A friend who was a major player at the time had been given it as a swap for some nice Manali hash he had delivered in South UK. At the time it was only just gaining recognition and I grew it without really knowing much about it (the friend gave me a clone and I stuck it in my room). The first thing I would like to point out is that I passed clones on to many other growers and no 2 samples/plants looked the same - hydro and soil grows gave the plants different structures and flavours. To recognise the real cheese the best place to start is the fan leaves as the Sk#1 has passed on double leaf serrations. Secondly as has already been pointed out the branches are extremely thin and weak and bend like fishing poles after 6weeks of 12/12. Thirdly the plants grow lots of arms from the base but don't seem to put out many branches higher up - say above the 5th internode, which leaves them looking a little peculiar. Bud structure is piles of calyxs and very little leaf in the bud. Some of the pics in this thread are obviously crosses or fakes as they do not have the characteristics mentioned above. Unfortunately with the UK dope market being as it is the name Cheese has been widely used and ripped off in order to charge top dollar for anything remotely skunky let alone cheesey. Its the same story with 'Blues' and Blue Cheese. These names are lent to anything with even a hint of blue aroma. I had a real Blue Cheese plant for 8 years but hated the buzz and the taste so passed it on to other growers who now sell it for top whack. The double leaf serration and strange limb formation was present in the BC I passed on. Big Buddha Cheese is fuck all like the real cheese but again people have grown it out, selected what they think the cheese should look like and are selling clones to others who wrongly believe they have the real deal. Its a common story and one that lots of UK based growers in the know will be very familiar with.
What I would like to say is that a lot of people are arguing about things they actually agree on or are ignorant of! Yes some of the pics posted are the real Cheese whilst others will be Big Buddha clones and others will be skunk selections re-named to bump the price up. Put simply in the UK lots of people cannot be 100% sure of the varieties they are passed as clones and can only go on what they are told by the person who supplies them. Unfortunately this leads to bullshit, bollocks and misrepresentations. In the end its the person buying the bud who loses out every time.
If I come across the real cheese again I will post pics to compare to the others. I still have access to my old BC clone so will put pics up of finished buds when I next can be arsed to buy some.
Keep it green,
TGM

Now this guy knows what he's talking about, I agree with all of that, very good post mate.

This is the Exodus Cheese cutting, it was obtained from Exodus by Brightside, Brightside gave it to hazyfontazy, hazy gave it to thc4sim who gave it to me, this was the second time I had it, first time I got it from an offline friend in Wales who got it direct from Brightside, third time I had it was direct from hazy. I know Brightside personally, well enought to call him a friend and always enjoy a good conversation when we meet.

This is the same cutting in hazyfontazy's garden:

So, as TGM wrote:

Its a common story and one that lots of UK based growers in the know will be very familiar with.

Yes, and what people outside the UK don't seem to realise is how small the place is, about the size of the state of Florida. Therefore, a hell of a lot of the UK growers know each other. Next week many of them will be sat together in Amsterdam and I know for a fact they will be pissing themselves laughing about this thread because I was pissing myself laughing about it with half a dozen guys who will be there this weekend.

Right, just had to say how well TGM summed it all up, now I'm off to watch my DVD..

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

Charlatan | Define Charlatan at Dictionary.com , a person who pretends or claims to have more knowledge or skill than he or she possesses


funny how JessE used that word

just saying

 

[JessE]

Jesse, you have made a serious and groundless accusation here:

.

British Hempire,
It is very clear that you have a great deal to hide, considering what kind of charlatan you are, I have no doubt that this is the case. You say that this is a groundless accusation? Do you not understand some very basic rules in life? Such as not calling yourself Shantibaba, Soma, Arjan, Ed Rosenthal etc. if you are not in fact those individuals? That means you are playing off of their reputation, their success. This is of no surprise when I learn it is you who is doing it. Because if I was British Hempire, I would want to be somebody else too.

Sad, but true.

As I have previously demonstrated, there is plenty of ground to stand on. The least of which is how you've attempted to fancy foot around this issue, and go back and change and edit posts after the thread has long move forward in an attempt to cloud others views when they go back to read. I was surprised to see how many posts of yours had changed once I went back and took a look at past pages. What are you trying to hide British Hempire?

Example 1

Date: 2007 – reconstructed grow report from old site
Strain: Santa Marta Colombian gold landrace
Judge: Moi
Breeder: Big Buddha aka. British Hempire
Grower: Pindulinka @ MSC

Colombian gold - British Hempire - smoke rep and pics

Date: 2007 – reconstructed grow report from old site
Strain: Santa Marta Colombian gold landrace
Judge: Moi
Breeder: Big Buddha aka. British Hempire
Grower: Pindulinka @ MSC

Santa Marta Colombian gold - British hempire - TreatingYourself.COM Online Community


Example 2

Originally posted by Pindulinka
Hey waitaminute guys!
This big buddha stuff came about as it was a handle BH was using on my seed share site.

Example 3
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/99872-post169.html

british hempire is not bigbuddha ,they are 2 different people ,i know them both

Again, very interesting. You know both Big Buddha's. But you post and say British Hempire wrote for Weed World as Big Buddha (coincidentally, so did the other Bid Buddha, very confusing). So exactly how well do you know them both, when British Hempire denies writing for Weed World?

Clearly not so well...

Originally posted by British Hempire
Oh, Jesse, why don't you speak to Phil at Weed World, he will put you right, I've never spoken to him or written for him.

What happened? Phil figure out what kind of charlatan you are and wipe his ass with your work? (see link below)

Bubba Kush article in weedworld - THCfarmer


Example 4
Information compiled and article written by Big Buddha or British Hempire seeds The Weed Forums Community

Originally posted by British Hempire
For the record, and most people know this, I first signed up to overgrow in November 2003 as big_buddha, about 6 months after that I started getting PMs asking me about Cheese seeds, I explained I wasn't that Big Buddha, that was the first I'd ever heard of the other one. Only other sites I was a member at were hg420, freecannabis.com and cannaseedcollective. All three are gone but the third is reincarnated as mediseedcollective and one of the prime figures there is Pindulinka who is a member here, knows Shanti personally and can also vouch for the fact I'm not the same guy as the the Big Buddha with the Cheese seeds.

So what we can establish so far just from the links provided above and your own words, is that there was a Big Buddha before you ever arrived on the internet. And that as far back as 7 years ago, people were confusing you with the other Big Buddha? Interesting.

So after Overgrow.com crashes, and a majority of members from that site vanish, its just a coincidence that other people continue to associate you with Big Buddha? Look at the dates on the links above, years later people are still calling you big buddha.

We really have one of several possibilities, all of which look absolutely negative for you British Hempire. You took a name from someone who had beaten you too it. Instead of deleting that handle, and getting another one immediately after realizing you had copied someone else's name, you've continued to allow yourself to be associated with the other Big Buddha?

That says alot about who you are in and of itself. But the sad part is, none of this adds up in a normal scheme of things without throwing into the equation the fact you're some kind of weirdo. Some type of freak.

In example 3 above, we can see you've allowed yourself to be associated with Weed World even though you've never written for them according to you. We can also establish you've allowed yourself to be associated with Big Buddha, even though you're not associated with them according to you.

So we can prove for sure that you attempt to ride the coat tails of other peoples success, and allow others to lay accolades on you that you have not earned nor do you deserve. Why would you do that? I suspect the answer may lay in the same reason you use so many handles on this forum, and others, and post with such a nasty attitude as you do. This is all pretty pathetic British Hempire, you should be ashamed of yourself.

You told me the gloves are off, but the thing is British Hempire you're sitting in a pile of shit that is so deep you cant move forward to jab. You trolled me for months, years, and I ignored your shit. Now I am right here, busting you up, and all you can do now is pretend that you want to get back to talking to cannabis.

Pretty convenient after you talk shit relentlessly, only to have it all shoved right up your ass that you now just want to get back to cannabis. You're clearly suffering from some type of mental condition, however that is of little concern to me when I am the target of your attacks. You're someone who has among the worst reputations, if not the worst, on any cannabis forum online today. That has been the case for many years now, and you can try to dance around it all you want, but it is the truth. You can attempt to fool noobs by giving them free seed, of bogus origins all you want. That will never change the truth.

The post British Hempire has tried to bump out of que, turbo post to move out of public view and even run away from the forum for 12 hours in an attempt to pretend it does not exist.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/99616-post114.html

I will await your next run at bumping this post out of que. You and a select few others have single handily ruined this forum British Hempire. Now you offer seeds freely on the forum, and use this place to attempt to hype yourself up to something you truly not. Others are doing it as well, but none of you are associated with Mr. Nice Seeds. You do not pay the bills here, you've contributed nothing to this forum and you have absolutely no history here. You're a disgrace and it is honestly sad what has happened to my beloved forum.

 

[Sharky]

where is page 21??

 

[The Green Man]

Hey BH, thanks for the kind words.
I can verify that those pics are indeed the real Cheese (not that you needed me to do that). I'd describe the buds on a live Cheese plant as corkscrew in effect. It pains me that a plant that looks and smells so inviting gives such a disappointing and uninspiring buzz.
I remember walking into Barney's in the Dam about 5 years and the cockney dealer with the long hair did his 'lets impress the tourists' routine and pulled us something special out from underneath the counter. When he peeled the lid back our shock must have made him think we were really impressed until myself and 3 mates fell about pissing ourselves. Turned out to be 'Cheese', and it was a fake smelling more of hay than herb. One of the only reasons we went to dam was to escape Cheese and now we were being told of this special 'new' variety. Ignorance is bliss and knowledge is power.
The moral of the story is simple. The name Cheese sells - odourless hay does not.
BH, enjoy the film and the haze. I'm glued to Corrie!
Maybe I can re-name my current haze crop as cheese...........the possibilities are endless.
One last thing. Over the years I've noticed that a lot of excellent smoke comes out of Wales, whether it be green or in the past hash (Manali and Manala). Indeed some of the best clones I've had have been of Welsh origin. Maybe its all those lovely valleys!
Keep it green,
TGM.

 

[Sharky]

I got it...its after page 20

 

[Bubbla]

where is page 21??

Ha ha that made me laugh mate

 

[JessE]

Getting back on topic

Hey BH, thanks for the kind words.
I can verify that those pics are indeed the real Cheese

I can verify that what British Hempire has posted is in fact a fake Cheese.

Below is the original Cheese.

 

[british_hempire]

Hey BH, thanks for the kind words.
I can verify that those pics are indeed the real Cheese (not that you needed me to do that). I'd describe the buds on a live Cheese plant as corkscrew in effect. It pains me that a plant that looks and smells so inviting gives such a disappointing and uninspiring buzz.
I remember walking into Barney's in the Dam about 5 years and the cockney dealer with the long hair did his 'lets impress the tourists' routine and pulled us something special out from underneath the counter. When he peeled the lid back our shock must have made him think we were really impressed until myself and 3 mates fell about pissing ourselves. Turned out to be 'Cheese', and it was a fake smelling more of hay than herb. One of the only reasons we went to dam was to escape Cheese and now we were being told of this special 'new' variety. Ignorance is bliss and knowledge is power.
The moral of the story is simple. The name Cheese sells - odourless hay does not.
BH, enjoy the film and the haze. I'm glued to Corrie!
Maybe I can re-name my current haze crop as cheese...........the possibilities are endless.
One last thing. Over the years I've noticed that a lot of excellent smoke comes out of Wales, whether it be green or in the past hash (Manali and Manala). Indeed some of the best clones I've had have been of Welsh origin. Maybe its all those lovely valleys!
Keep it green,
TGM.

Aye, corkscrew is a perfect description of how the Cheese buds form.

The bloody Oxfam 50p DVD skips to hell so I gave up watching it, I'll give it em back tomorrow and consider it 50p donated to charity lol.

It pains me that a plant that looks and smells so inviting gives such a disappointing and uninspiring buzz.

That's exactly how I feel about it too, the other thing I don't like about Cheese is I get bored of the taste very quickly too, it's sickly to me, like a really inviting cake slice that you can't finish because it's just too sickly.

I'm a lover of spicy flavours in weed and I find the Cheese too sickly sweet for me, shame there isn't another old Skunk pheno still around that was spicy from the Colombian side but Sam bred it to be really sweet so I've never liked skunk that much...

Over the years I've noticed that a lot of excellent smoke comes out of Wales, whether it be green or in the past hash

Two reasons for that - tons of remote rural spots to grow and tons of little coves and fishing villages to land a cargo. I know for a fact in the 90s the bikers had lots of grows in Wales, many of them in buried shipping containers. I suppose at least a few are still going because if they bust em all it was never in the papers. These were expensive sophisticated setups with their own generators and concealed entrances, I visited one in 1997, the only way in or out was through a manhole cover in a farmyard then 20ft down a metal ladder, three shipping containers side by side with a corridor made of breeze blocks. That one was built by some rich prick who couldn't grow for toffee, no idea if it's still going, he got sent down for tax evasion.

Anyways, the bikers grow a lot of shit in Wales and I avoid em like the plague, there's three bikers who live in my little town, all big smokers and I don't even let on to em I grow, never even let em see any of my bud just in case they guess, my past experience with bikers is they will suck you in, give you their long-hoarded 'special' cuttings then turn up 3 months later and take your crop and if you want to carry on growing, you're growing for them from then on. Didn't happen to me personally but I know a few guys back in the 90s who had it happen to them. Wales is bandit country in many ways, same as Cheshire is, people think Cheshire is really posh and it is, but a lot of them rich people are bang at it and outright gangsters. There's a big stone barn in the middle of a field next to the M6 in Cheshire that used to have 40 lights in it for most of the 90s, I knew the fella that ran it, unpleasant chap with too much money.