Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid

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do not think it is a clear cut story with easy answers like in mathematics...it is not.

As I said on several occasions, if 100 of us went to the same film on the same day I will guarantee there will be more than 10 different and valid responses to what was viewed...all worthy to those who watched it but all different when it boils down to the core.

Rather seems like Shanti is suggesting that there are no definitive answers, and sweeping generalizations simply aren't applicable:)
 
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i have no idea where you came up with this statement but its a lot of crap nev dont need to lie. One question for you what great deed have you done for this industry because as far as i no im not smoking anything you made. Ive known nev a lot of years and hes never been known to be a lier or bullshitter just a great breeder of all things not just pot
 
ignore kockrash he hangs about with a couple of right little dicks, probably where he picked it up
 
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Did you make this kit up or is it something that could be bought dr purpur

I put it together. Lock Lock box, Dribox sorbent,screwcap vials, Pliable foam.



I just pollenated a bunch more plants. How tedious! I did one branch of each of these females with pollen I collected from The VietnamBlack/Thai plant.
Each of these got it.
Orange Crush/ Mexican
Nevilles Haze
Maui Wowi
Green Haze/ Thai
Royal Haze
SweetTooth
Real McCoy
Tikal
Super Silver Haze
Mango Haze
Dr. Grinspoon

I cleaned my tiny paint brush. Im taking a break then its time to switch pollen and start all over. I think thats about 20 crosses Ive done so far this run.


Are You Guys enjoying Your debate :D ;)
 

I don't know how many times I have to say this but I have held my hands up and admitted I was wrong. I'm not naming names but for years everyone I talked to kept telling me Nevil was a genius but also full of shit. I was stupid enough to believe them. At the time I always said the same thing, which you always manage to omit when you quote me - that until Nevil resurfaced and gave his side of the story there was a body of doubt and we didn't know for sure what was what. Well, Nevil resurfaced, it was obvious he was telling the truth and I had to re-assess a lot of what I had always thought was accurate.

If you were a reasonable person you would actually enter into debate about this but all you do is throw insults so I don't really give a shit what you think of me, I don't value your opinion as you don't contribute anything useful all you do is troll. I've explained to you in detail why no-one has ever listened to you, you don't present a coherent point you just attack people. This isn't acceptable behaviour in the society I come from and I doubt it is where you come from either.

So what else do you want me to say? Nevil doesn't have a problem with me, I've discussed this very issue with him. He himself said he didn't care about the past, he wants to focus on the future and what we can all achieve by working together. The same message shantibaba keeps reminding us of. We are all on the same side so we shouldn't argue and bicker amongst ourselves, to do so only hands victory to the enemy.

I don't have time for anyone who tried to cause conflict because conflict is a negative force against what we are trying to achieve. I spent two hours this afternoon picking seeds off a Colombian Gold plant so I could send them all over the place to people to grow and maybe breed with. To me, words are cheap and actions count for far more. Don't judge me by some words I wrote years ago, judge me by how I act in the here and now. That's all I ask.

There are plenty of people who deserve being trolled because of their actions, I don't think I'm one of them. If anyone thinks differently, I'll be happy to debate my case in a civil manner.
 
Raco said:
Un post muy interesante de indifferent aka British_Hempire:

indifferent said:
Hempy, your Neville fanboy-ism is wearing pretty thin now. I am happy to give Neville full credit for what he did do, but he bullshitted so much and you seem to have swallowed it all!

Neville built his reputation on the back of the work of others, it would have been nice if he gave some credit instead of making up stupid stories like the G13 myth he started. Remember, when the work to create the genetics Neville profited from was done, Neville was a little kid, he didn't even have the idea to sell seeds until 1982 and Northern Lights, Haze, G13, Early Pearl, Hashplant and all the other genes he used had already been in existence for man years.

So in 1984, all Neville had was pretty poor, in fact, all they had in Holland then was pretty poor, then Sam turned up with a collection of great genes. Neville wasn't the first to run a seed bank either, that was Lowlands Seed/Weed Co, run by Wernard Bruining and this guy, Kees Hoekert:

So Neville made a shitload of money selling seeds to the US. If we look at his 1987 catalogue, it's all genes he bought in from other people and some F1 hybrids he made from them:

Cali Orange was bred by Jerry Biesler, brought to Holland by Sam and sold to Neville who then made a load of money out of selling the seeds to the US. Who deserves the credit for the breeding work here? Jerry Biesler of course, Sam and Neville just took credit and profitted.

Haze x Northern Lights, a simple F1 of two lines bought in and Ruderalis, a piece of crap picked from a Hungarian roadside, three pages in there is precous little evidence of Neville doing much breeding work.

Two F1 hybrids using a NL1 male and two plants Neville claimed to have received as clone onlys, this is the extent of Neville's breeding at this point - F1 hybrids of other people's work.

In 1984, Neville had nowt but shite, within 3 years all apart from Ruderalis and NL had disappeared to be replaced with genes either purchased from Sam or purchased from people on the west coast of the US, that is the bare facts, so let's give Neville credit for what he actually did do - track down and commercialise a load of great lines.

So credit where credit is due, but hempy, FFS, please stop trying to build Neville up into something he wasn't!"

http://www.cannabiscafe.net/foros/sh...09#post2625709

Peace.

K.
 
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Fuck you Brithish_Hempire...

K.

This really is your level isn't it. Seems you're not smart enough to actually debate so you just act like a troll.

For the record I don't know Raco, never met him. I don't think he likes me for some reason.

I'll be at the cannabis festival in Prague in November and I cordially invite kashrocks to come meet me and tell me to fuck off to my face.
 
You should learn humility...

K.

Clearly you don't understand the word humility.

I have admitted I was wrong and have apologised for my words. Further, I have apologised to Nevil on the telephone.

That is displaying humility.

Maybe you think learning humility entails being humiliated? No it doesn't and all you're doing with your trolling is making yourself look bad.
 
Hey Brothers

Lets not get the haze thread closed down. Lets try and stay civil. You Guys know exactly how to push each others buttons. Pretty intelligent bunch. Its trully is a waste of energy resources though.

Debate can be inspiring shit if done in a Gentleman fashion.
 
If you think I have time for that...

LOL

K.

Yet you have time to make dozens of pointless trolling posts?

A real man wouldn't hide behind a computer hurling abuse, he would come and speak to my face.

You proclaim respect for Shanti yet you behave like a rude and ignorant pig on his forum.

There is very little to respect about you and a lot to deride.
 
Lets not get the haze thread closed down. Lets try and stay civil. You Guys know exactly how to push each others buttons. Pretty intelligent bunch. Its trully is a waste of energy resources though.

Debate can be inspiring shit if done in a Gentleman fashion.

I was only responding because I hoped to be concillatory and resolve this issue so kashrocks would stop ruining this thread like he ruined the Hawaiian thread.

I love debate, it always inspires me to go off and learn more.

I really like how you are doing your pollen collection. I'm much less scientific in how I do it. I've never put much faith in stored pollen and when I have stored it it goes bad rather fast I've often found and mould can be a real problem. When I want to make seeds I make a cutting of my male and root it then put it straight into 12/12 as soon as it's rooted out of the cube so he produces pollen within about 30 days of rooting while still very small. I simply shake the small male over the female I want to pollinate and let the pollen fall naturally onto the female. It's not precise and I always get hundreds of seeds but it works for me and is very simple. I run a sog so I can always afford to fully pollinate one plant and it's nice to have lots of seeds to share.
 
It is not only to Nevil that you should apologize but to Hempy and JessE.

Go it?

K.

That is none of your business. If you had been paying attention you would have noticed that I have tried more than a couple of times to get along with hempy but he refuses to behave properly. I stand by my criticism of Jesse, that Cheese article he wrote is pure fiction and ever since I criticised him for it he's been rather nasty to me. It takes two to tango, if hempy and Jesse behaved in a way that made it possible to get along with them and have a rational debate then I would get along with them just fine. If you had been paying attention you will have seen that I have been very polite and concillatory toward hempy recently, particularly in the debate about Panama Red. My words fell on deaf ears and he wasn't interested in debating without being rude. In Jesse's case, he was completely wrong about Cheese but won't admit it. I admitted when I was wrong therefore the ball's in his court.
 
Fact is that you were Nevil's number 1 troll b_H...

K.

No I wasn't, far from it, you have found 3 quotes, all written years ago. What about quoting all the other things I wrote that weren't critical of Nev? What about quoting any of the things I wrote about his breeding work where I praised that work? Then there is the many thousands of words I wrote about Nev's Haze breeding work in that Haze article I wrote that was published in High Times. I was full of praise about the work and didn't even question the accuracy of what Nev and shanti had written about their Haze breeding. The whole purpose of writing that article was to show that the exact same genes that were winning Cannabis Cups nearly 20 years ago were still winning them because Arjan and Derry were just entering old cuttings that Nevil bred and passed out to people in Holland.

How can you say I was Nev's #1 troll when there are 5000 published words in praise of the man's work written by me with the express purpose of bringing to people's attention the fact that in the last 20 years no-one else in the Dutch scene had created anything of note that wasn't a rip-off of Nev's work.

So come on, if you're going to attack me at least try to be accurate.
 
Fact is that you were Nevil's number 1 troll b_H...

K.

...and now you're MNS forum's number 1 troll. Can't recall why I ever took you off my ignore list, but that's an easy problem to fix. PM British Hempire if you're so driven to seek 'justice', but don't trash this thread any more. Please.
 
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