Marco's Apology

[Nevil]

I've found that the "character' of the plant remains the same. The same cuts grown outdoors in greenhouses in Holland were about 80% as strong as indoor under lights. I tried UV and couldn't find any beneficial effect.
It would be an interesting challenge if Wally, Kanga and Hempy all grew the same NH cut, to judge the relative merits of their different environments. I'd have to judge this one myself.
N.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Ive known him for mm a long time , many years ,,
and tom is a gentleman and a scholar .
I wouldnt care who he voted for really ..
I believe most got the wrong point of view from a few post he made here , take a look for yourself at the other site , you dont need to believe me at all , he conducts himself online like a gentleman ,
im no where near as patient and forgiving . hehehe

 

[bushweed]

Well I must say I've smoked some of Hempy's grass so I can see why he holds that view, because it was top notch and very potent Haze (was Shanti's Mango), but I think the same seed outdoors by someone with a similar level of experience might just eclipse it

Im amazed tom had that opinion bushy , ill have to take a look see ,

Well in a sense I misspoke, because I didn't have the argument with Tom per se, rather he was on the big team saying indoors is just as good as outdoors and I was on the little team saying its almost but not quite as good, you were there too, lodging the same unpopular opinion if I recall.

Also I do think Tom's a good fella, he just has a blind spot where Uncle Sam is concerned.

 

[bushweed]

Kanga holds an even more unpopular opinion. That the bigger the big bushy sheila, the more potent she is

 

[Donald Mallard]

I've found that the "character' of the plant remains the same. The same cuts grown outdoors in greenhouses in Holland were about 80% as strong as indoor under lights. I tried UV and couldn't find any beneficial effect.
It would be an interesting challenge if Wally, Kanga and Hempy all grew the same NH cut, to judge the relative merits of their different environments. I'd have to judge this one myself.
N.

Yes id agree its there still in character ,
you get an idea of what it could be like imho , but id think the character comes through a lot stronger in its natural environment ,
rather than a subtle high , its more of a powerful high .

Im sure the uv must have something to do with it , perhaps in combination with other factors ,
its got me scatching my head a lot , best i can do is record the environmental changes here a moreso , , its certainly not just daylengths ,

id certainly like to see what the same seed would perform like over those varying circumstance , clones arent an option for me really .

id think mine and kangas would be similar , both would be better than the indoor version .

 

[Donald Mallard]

Kanga holds an even more unpopular opinion. That the bigger the big bushy sheila, the more potent she is

hard to change the old timers , but they grow good pot , and im glad to see guys like kanga still kicking goals ,
i think im prolly one of the younger , more anal generation , like you bushy , ,hehe

 

[Nevil]

clones arent an option for me really .

Why's that?
N.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Why's that?
N.

if they have enough sativa in them and dont want to flower easily , will reveg easily it may be able to be done ,
my grow area is hard to access and no way to extend hours for clones to veg , the shock from indoors to out is hard for them ,
at the right time of year with luck on our side its possible ,,
but seed is much easier ,
my daylight hours change from just over 11 per day to just over 13 .

Ideal situation isnt available to me at the moment , to be able to reveg to a good size plant and put outdoors to flower ,, that would be the ideal .

 

[bushweed]

i think im prolly one of the younger , more anal generation , like you bushy , ,hehe

thanks mate, that's a real compliment

jeez hempy, those are some wicked shots again

if kangativa is correct then, his shit should be ten times more potent than either of yours

 

[Donald Mallard]

thanks mate, that's a real compliment

jeez hempy, those are some wicked shots again

if kangativa is correct then, his shit should be ten times more potent than either of yours

takes ages to have a conversation online doesnt it ,, lol ..
so yea ,, kangas prolly using roo shit on them (secretly) , so its no doubt good shit ,, hehehe ...
did anyone grow mm indoors and see what they got compared to kangas plants ?
i bet its a far cry from the outdoor version ....

i tried ducksfoot indoors on several occasions ,, and many have , heaps of plants , found the odd one that wasnt too bad indoors ,, but compared to the outdoors we had , the flavour just wasnt there , the chunk ,so many desireable traits that were there just didnt present in the indoor environment..
it just was not worth growing indoor , but outdoor , just lovely ...

 

[pepel29]

I love outdoors too.

 

[bushweed]

well they reckon Kanga doesn't produce heads anymore,
he produces Kangaroo's paws,,

and Shanti doesn't produce heads anymore,
he produces the Cure and the Doors,,

and wally duck could walk on water cos he had ducksfeet ...with hoisin sauce

and Nevil kicked the bass pedal to the haze treble and turned the base metal into gold

and uncle Sam was still in Vietnam, Afghanistan or somewhere freakier than Japan I'm told

and what the fuck am Irony he said?

he said he thought he said those jorge cervantes medical marijuana plantations looked like someone tried to stick a fucken jungle gymn on a marijuana plant

so in his mind he imagined Jorge the intrepid journalist climbing up to get a better look when he fell in and found a clown dressed in green and purple attending to a super silver sour diesel salvia divinorum who said he was a gynoecious haze brother and offered him a space cake ...and suddenly he was Joe Pietri growing tomyum haze on a hill in Hong Kong

hehe said he was looking for the acid pheno

 

[Nevil]

Yep, I like this one. I'll be coming around your way real soon for a smoke. I just thought I'd capture this one just in case you decided to delete it before Kanga drys his computor out.
N.

well they reckon Kanga doesn't produce heads anymore,
he produces Kangaroo's paws,,

and Shanti doesn't produce heads anymore,
he produces the Cure and the Doors,,

and wally duck could walk on water cos he had ducksfeet ...with hoisin sauce

and Nevil kicked the bass pedal to the haze treble and turned the base metal into gold

and uncle Sam was still in Vietnam, Afghanistan or somewhere freakier than Japan I'm told

and what the fuck am Irony he said?

he said he thought he said those jorge cervantes medical marijuana plantations looked like someone tried to stick a fucken jungle gymn on a marijuana plant

so in his mind he imagined Jorge the intrepid journalist climbing up to get a better look when he fell in and found a clown dressed in green and purple attending to a super silver sour diesel salvia divinorum who said he was a gynoecious haze brother and offered him a space cake ...and suddenly he was Joe Pietri growing tomyum haze on a hill in Hong Kong

hehe said he was looking for the acid pheno

 

[bigherb]

If that is the case. shouldn't they have a disclaimer on the packs? Most people aren't breeders and they are buying seeds for smoke, ya know?

If what you are selling is only good for breeding, shouldn't you tell people? That is a lot of time and space invested to find out you have a bunch of garbage.

Edit - BH, I haven't run LN outdoors, but there were some phenos done in like 65 days - it may be something for you to look into for your area.

i apprecaite the info on la nina ,she gained my interest in the very recent times .id love too see more MM hybrids from shanti as ive stated way back

first id like to say im glad we can all/some respectly chat again its great to hav a read without dodging nonsense post

the basis of my post it that of how i interpet mr mallad post

we all have opinon yes but ,its known there are strains that are better suited indoor and out an are sold as such .sooo haze cant be compared to a haze hybrid just as a hybrid cant be compared to apure sativa .

i like to see differnt views and was intrigued by nevils experience with outdoor/indo but surprised by opions of those who been around and should know these things ,(haze is best for breeding purposes) (eqatorial sativas do best in there native environment n can hav trouble indo).


think about it cannabis has accalmated all over the world it been here thousands of years soo it had some time to do soo.when did man bring plant indo under lights the late 70's .can we really replicate all the aspects of the hot spots of the globe ,NEVER


we love all the work from mns but most of us are haze lovers ,im not a breeder ,i dont follow insturstion for wat it says on the description .i research before i buy somthin .this is information/fact that ive known since i started

my point intened when i enter the thread of topic at the time was ,we/the older members or folks in the know should provide accurate info .thankyou D mallard

also curious to know nevil was this experience from your hybrids sold at the seedbank ?did you run any pure sativas outdoor in comparison ?


1luvbigherb

 

[british_hempire]

well they reckon Kanga doesn't produce heads anymore,
he produces Kangaroo's paws,,

and Shanti doesn't produce heads anymore,
he produces the Cure and the Doors,,

and wally duck could walk on water cos he had ducksfeet ...with hoisin sauce

and Nevil kicked the bass pedal to the haze treble and turned the base metal into gold

and uncle Sam was still in Vietnam, Afghanistan or somewhere freakier than Japan I'm told

and what the fuck am Irony he said?

he said he thought he said those jorge cervantes medical marijuana plantations looked like someone tried to stick a fucken jungle gymn on a marijuana plant

so in his mind he imagined Jorge the intrepid journalist climbing up to get a better look when he fell in and found a clown dressed in green and purple attending to a super silver sour diesel salvia divinorum who said he was a gynoecious haze brother and offered him a space cake ...and suddenly he was Joe Pietri growing tomyum haze on a hill in Hong Kong

hehe said he was looking for the acid pheno

Absolutely wonderful, stoned Aussie mull-prose, I like it!

 

[british_hempire]

Ive known him for mm a long time , many years ,,
and tom is a gentleman and a scholar .
I wouldnt care who he voted for really ..
I believe most got the wrong point of view from a few post he made here , take a look for yourself at the other site , you dont need to believe me at all , he conducts himself online like a gentleman ,
im no where near as patient and forgiving . hehehe

I used to really like Tom because, as you say, he always conducted himself like a gentleman, even in the face of trolling.

Only things that have made me question my original impression of the guy have been two recent incidents. First was when Tom tore into docleaf. Now, I hate docleaf personally, think he's a saddo and full of shit, but I was surprised at how Tom tore into him and Tom was very good at being nasty and sarcastic. I was surprised to see such words from Tom, they didn't seem to fit with the way he used to act.

Then there was the Marco Apology thread on icmag, Tom went off on one in that thread and was really going off about how hurt Sam must have been by the whole thing and calling for compensation etc.

I've also had my disagreements with some of the things he's said about his Haze but they were minor.

I don't know Tom personally but like bushweed says, his politics would seem to be rather opposed to my own and in support of Sam. I'm not gonna judge the guy based on his cheerleading for Sam but it did cause me to reconsider my opinion of Tom somewhat.

takes ages to have a conversation online doesnt it ,, lol ..
so yea ,, kangas prolly using roo shit on them (secretly) , so its no doubt good shit ,, hehehe ...
did anyone grow mm indoors and see what they got compared to kangas plants ?
i bet its a far cry from the outdoor version ....

i tried ducksfoot indoors on several occasions ,, and many have , heaps of plants , found the odd one that wasnt too bad indoors ,, but compared to the outdoors we had , the flavour just wasnt there , the chunk ,so many desireable traits that were there just didnt present in the indoor environment..
it just was not worth growing indoor , but outdoor , just lovely ...

Some plants just won't work indoors no matter what you do with them. I have spent a lot of time, money and effort on all types of supplemental lighting to try to get tropical plants to mature indoors and some can be coaxed into a good expression, some can't.

Imho HPS lights on their own are not of much use for finishing a tropical plant, you need to supplement with blue spectrum lighting. 10k Actinic type fluoro tubes that have a peak output around 420nm definitely help with tropical plants, they are less stretchy, fill in more and produce more terpenoids. 6400k cool whites are also worth using as they put out plenty of blue but the 10ks are better.

On the UV thing, UVA is bad for plants imho, it causes premature aging of the resin heads, they go brown under high UVA exposure long before they are mature and it is a brown colour, not the amber you see when it matures. UVA also causes plants to produce more of the carotenoid type terpenoids and these have red and yellow colours so the flowers under high UVA exposure will turn a deep purple as they now contain not only chlorophylls which are green but also carotenoids which are red and this gives an overall purple appearance.

UVB on the other hand has been shown to stimulate THC production, Mechoulam demonstrated that UVB could turn CBD acids into THC acids in a lab environment and there are other studies on the effects of UVB on live plants that shows some benefit. I forget the names of the authors now.

Apart from a couple of expensive Phillips medical tubes, all UV fluoros put out many times more UVA than UVB. The reptile types are no good, not enough UVB and lots of UVA, same with tanning tubes.

I still need to do more experiments but so far I can definitely say blue light in the 400-450nm range is way more beneficial to plants than UVA in the 350-400nm range and UVA has negative effects. When I have the money to buy a medical tube I'll experiement with UVB, so far I've only tried UVB in conjunction with lots of UVA.

Some pics of some of my experimental lighting setups and an Oaxacan that turned purple and had brown damaged trichomes from too much UVA.

 

[british_hempire]

For comparison's sake, this is the same Oaxacan cutting grown under HPS + 6400k fluoros, stayed bright lime green:

 

[Donald Mallard]

hey bh , nice to see you doing some research on uv and light spectrums ,, wasnt it you that built the led board??
I agree with the blue light needed for sats ,, i always added one to my rooms ,in the form of metal halide , and if i had sativas , it would be over them ,.,
'
im sure we will eventually work out what it is that makes the tropics different ,

we know it already ,

just getting that reproduced is not that easy thus far .

 

[hempy]

All plants can be grown indoors from tropical plants to cannabis its how you grow them were you will fail or achieve set results.

How many people screw up there grows lots its one thing havening quality genetics and a completely different ball game getting the best from them.

Put a moron behind a farrari that cant drive then put one behind the wheel that can which is going to show you the cars performance.

If you guys cant grow sativas indoors then you need schooling its that simple.

 

[Donald Mallard]

All plants can be grown indoors from tropical plants to cannabis its how you grow them were you will fail or achieve set results.

How many people screw up there grows lots its one thing havening quality genetics and a completely different ball game getting the best from them.

Put a moron behind a farrari that cant drive then put one behind the wheel that can which is going to show you the cars performance.

If you guys cant grow sativas indoors then you need schooling its that simple.

man you are just one bitchy dude arent you hempy ,,
you havent seen me saying your sativas are crap compared to what i grow outdoors ,,
i could given the evidence and pics i have to back it up , ,but i havent ...

ive grown sativas indoors hempy ,, do you think you are the only guy that has ,, im sure you do ,
some of us have try to keep our egos a little in check ,

you completely lack tact , and you are no help in threads like this ,,
you should stick to your spindly indoor sativas hempy ..