Fem seeds and there impact on the future of the species known as cannabis.

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hey mr. kylebrofovski, i saw you giving dj credit for the whitaker blues but i recently read comments from cali folks who claim it was created by his son? perhaps this is the new man in charge of the djshort breeding facilities as the old man does not show much interest in it anymore? djshorts greatest creation was blueberry followed by quality hybs using it in the mix. and what is in the background of the blueberry? none other than the thai, and more than one? i noted in another thread here that imho, se asia holds many secrets yet to be discovered but only the strongest need apply to hunt for them. the golden triangle is too near so this part of the world is very dangerous, moreso than afghanastan due to the jungle terrain. i am now way too old to be around a bunch of gunslingers but good luck to you other seekers of the finest. peace-biteme
 
Yosemite Sam said:
Hello Useless,
Don't you believe everything you hear now... ;)
Regards,
Y. Sam
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Heya Sam, while I don't believe everything I hear, I know for a fact A5 (the grower) lost the A5 strain. That is not to say others don't have it, I am sure it's still out there somewhere. Just saying that group has lost it, because it hermied. I also know that group is trying to seek it out again.
I am just pissed about it because I have been waiting on those cuts for 3 years. The one time they were shipped, Dutch postal service fucked up and it took 10 days to arrive instead of 2 days. They were liquid mush by then. We didn't try to reship them, I figured I would get them sooner or later when we could guarantee the shipping etc. Big mistake on my part.

But like I said, I am sure it's out there somewhere. The S. Holland crew I speak of just needs to get it back. They have mentioned some possibilities to me but I wont toss out names as it's not my business.
Sam if you have it, we need to talk... ;)
 
This is awesome:

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I had a comment a few pages back that suggests that pistils and staminate are better classified as phenotypical rather than sexual. After all, sex is defined by chromosomes and phenotype is defined by what you see with your eyes when you look at it. I think it solves alot of confusion when you think of it this way is why I'm giving it a 2nd chance as discussion material.
 
I've seen male stamens growing out of female calyxes many times so it is logical that a female pistil can grow out of a male pod I suppose.
 
If 2 sexes are on the same plant then is it not a hermaphrodite. Surely its enviromental but can it be genetical if the parents were bred in an enviroment that would cause the parents to show this hermi trait. I dont think the plant would feel the need to preserve its speices if the enviro was spot on.
 
british_hempire said:
I've seen male stamens growing out of female calyxes many times so it is logical that a female pistil can grow out of a male pod I suppose.
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sure can....

@cannatari was it just the one pistil? and was it spontaneous?
 

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kylebroflovski said:
Hey Gobshite!,

My team won today!! That's why I'm still up. I remember that story about Red. It was just real strange the way he was talking about that, almost like he really was not involved. I always hate it when I'm reminded of the times I was reminded that there was a man behind the curtain in The Wizard of Oz.

Gotta Sleep This Off Good niGh....

KB 8)_~
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Yeah someone said he's out of the game now!! whos your team btw ???
 
good question gobshite, the answer should be interesting. the photo shows one full blown but surrounded by others that appear ready to do the same? peace-biteme
 
Seeds are wonderful things and finding a couple in some excellent weed still excites me. A while back a NL5Hz type cross was being sold locally. Really nice weed! There were a few seeds in it and a FOAF grew them out. Every single one of them started off as a male and then later went female to varying degrees. The plants were all NL5 dominant but Early Pearl was clearly present. Just guessing, but I couldn't detect any other strains in the type than NL5Hz and Silver Pearl. How someone managed to screw this up is beyond me.
Is a fist full of hermies the bag seed of the future?
N.
 
G`day NVL
In my limited expirience that has been the case for the last 5-10 years round these parts .
As even a lot of outdoor guys are starting from clones ,so the odd bag seed I`m finding is an hermaphrodite more often than natural selection should dictate .Commercially produced buds seem to be the culprits { not as much TLC an affection } IMO .
Time to release some supplies of very seedy open pollenated gear an start over I think .Too bad theres no money in it eh Nev ?
Safe travells .
Elmer Bud .
 
british_hempire said:
Englishrick said he had a female clone from S1 seed turn male on him, I'm highly sceptical on that. Rockster had the same thing happen with a clone from Cheese S1s he made and he used it to breed with to make a line he is calling Exodus #1. Again, I'm sceptical. It is quite possible that those cuttings never turned male they just went very intersexed.
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ive gota make this quick,

im very busy at the min so im not gona be able to come back and argue this 1 out with you BH, im seiously not gona read the responce so you dont even have to post 1 if you dont want,,ive only looked at this thread because ive got 2mins free and im holding my cousins iphone,,,im sotof regreting it allready,,,ive not even been on icmag,,please make this easy for me,,,

il be as direct and to the point as i can so please forgive me for being blunt,

firstly,,,please dont speread miss information about my projects bro,,,your twisting the truth!!,,,its horrible or me to read this stuff from you

ive never seen a "female" turn "male",,,,that cant happen!!,,,,its like you have listend to me but you have the jist backwards

if a "female" turns "male" its allways had the ability to turn "male" and therefor canot be classed as a propper "female" or "TrueFemale" as sam coined,,,if the indervidual is reversing on its own it shows the sexchromozones are inactive,,,the inactivity says alot in itself

imo,, spontanious reversal cant happen like rockstar claimed,,,ive said manytimes that rocstar MUST have accidently applyed something ,,my cheese clone [if rocstar has the same 1 as me] CAN-NOT SPONTANIOUS REVERSE!!,,,he MUST have applyed something!!

my "unbelievable happening" was from SSH x OGKA,,,it wasnot an S1!!,,,,, it was what i call a ReversedOutcross,,, i germinated 1 seed from the 10 was given and lost the rest,,,the first clone i took from the 1 seed i germinated turned into a male plant,,,i was shocked!!,, but after i kept the origonal mother for 6 months in veg i cloned it again and started to flower 1 to do a testcross , but that 2nd time flowering that same indervidual it grew as a highyealding "female" ,,,thats when it blew my mind a second time,,,the only explanation was that the sexchromozoes had become inactive and the x/autosome dosge-system had taken over

im pretty sure nevil just discribed the same thing happening with his local bagseed ,,but i might be wrong as i wasnot taking my time catching up on this thread propperly,,hopefully im not alone with my "unbelievable happening"??

ya know BH,,,if the big-boys agreed with me on this 1 there would be nothing seperating my understandings and the current general beliefs in the weed-science comunity,,

my opinion is that some cannabis is dioecous some is monoecous,,crossing the 2 causes a 50:50 ratio of dio to monoecous specimins in the progeny,,,,i just found a mono specimine in my SSHxOGKA,,,sounds like nev did too in his bagseed ,,,

but again,,, [imo],,, if a plant can bare viable-polen it was never a true "truefemale" or true "sterile-specimie" as im starting to call them,,,it must have allways been mono or had the ability to be,,

once again,,[imo] the actual devishion of sexes from monoecous to dioecous is caused firstly by selection for sterility mutations,,,

i hope that covers everything,,






full respect to all involved!!

check you guys later,,,
 
Jeez, talk about getting your knickers in a knot over nothing! So I called it an S1 when it was a feminised hybrid, big deal. I'm still trying to get rid of the mites you gave me, god knows what you'd been spraying em with but they seem resistant to just about everything, tried 4 different products on em now. Talking of spraying, god knows what else you had been spraying around seeing as the 'Blues' cut ya gave me grew balls in veg, so forgive me if I don't give any credence to what you say.
 
So my males are "true." It seemed like back when Nevil was making seeds most peoples males were "true." What is it that has happened in the recent past that could be the cause of so many people, respected growers and breeders alike witnessing weird sexual expressions?

Could it be feminized seeds? Could it be that the feminized breeding that HAS ALREADY occured is the cause of this? Is this the beginning of the end? Does it matter if a breeder selling these seeds feels he is doing a responsible job?

Just Paying Attention To The Signs Along The Way,

KB 8)_~
 
Well, the Abusive OG Kush rick used is of unknown lineage, and if it is an OG Kush then it descends from bagseed, it may be bagseed Abusive found, so there may be at least two unknown random pollinations in it's lineage and the pollen could have come from an intersexed female so it's a complete mongrel and hasn't been worked or bred in any traditional sense. Don't know about the SSH he used but if it was GHS rather than the real one then that's a ton more uncertainty.

Using mongrel polyhybrids that probably carry intersex traits to breed with is never a good idea and as the P1s weren't well selected then that doesn't tell us much about the feminising process.

I'm sure that any mysterious 'sex change' occurrences can be easily explained, probably something to do with intersex expressions although it could be even simpler and a simple case of human error.

In Rockster's case I strongly suspect he is just bullshitting in order to be able to claim he has made pure Cheese seeds. Makes me laugh because all he is doing is linebreeding Skunk #1 in order to lock down a particular terpenoid profile and to me that's just a huge waste of time as all he'll end up with is more Skunk #1 and that's hardly a worthwhile achievement, god knows, the one thig we definitely don't need more of is Skunk #1, this isn't 1985 anymore FFS.
 
BH -"In Rockster's case I strongly suspect he is just bullshitting in order to be able to claim he has made pure Cheese seeds. Makes me laugh because all he is doing is linebreeding Skunk #1 in order to lock down a particular terpenoid profile and to me that's just a huge waste of time as all he'll end up with is more Skunk #1 and that's hardly a worthwhile achievement, god knows, the one thig we definitely don't need more of is Skunk #1, this isn't 1985 anymore FFS."

Hindsight is 20/20 huh BH? I remember a time when all people did was take that male SK and cross it to all their favorite plants and they had a new seed company. Not what you would have done huh? Sure was tempting back then though. It was a definite "shortcut" that alot of companies used then just like the feminized companies of today.

What do you know about DinaFem bro? Until recently I never heard of this company and was hoping that you would be able to offer some background on them or their techniques.

Thanks,

KB 8)_~
 
Coop -"i kind of want to burn them like the people tried with Frankenstein."

Should we hold a town meeting this Friday at sundown? I have a club that I could carry and burn on one end.?

IT'S ALIVE!!! ALIVE!!!!!!!,

KB 8)_~
 
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