lifetime Icmag member gets banned

[nycKID]

The real breeder of SKUNK # 1Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:57 am


This thread has nothing to do with sativex and its US testing relating to Sam the Skunk man. the post below is taken from a friend of MENDOCINO JOE, who was the actual breeder of Skunk #1...

Isn't is simply amazing, that Sam the Skunkman ( a junior member of the collective of Sacred Seeds) was the sole creator of Skunk # 1 (with only limited grows under his belt - according to him). Isn't also amazing, how after being pinched, he made bail faster than everyone else, then was able to revisit the grow site and retrieve, plants, seeds, equipment...etc.... just hours after the fuzz tore the place apart.........
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Then isn't it also amazing, he was allowed to leave the US so easily just a short time later. Having effectively, helped shut down Sacred Seeds, while at the same time, becoming a Breeding Rock Star and the " Guy in Charge / Head Breeder / Sole Creator of Skunk # 1 ". Hmmm.....
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Does that sound reasonable to you. Well, back in the day (mid 70's to be exact), when I was much younger, much bolder and much more foolish - I used to excercise certain aquatic skills, promoting free trade between Mexico and the US. I delivered valuble products all up and down the coast of Cali, to Cool Cats and Traveling Roadies......
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Because of this special part time gig, I got to meet lot's of interesting people. Mendacino Joe, being one of them. He was always looking for that special strain to blend into his genetic pool and create the ultimate strain. Was he the sole breeder involved, NO, did he do most of the work, YES. So, that is why I tend to give him most of the praise. NOT Sam the Skunkman......
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Just read what Joe Pietri has to say on the subject. Not flattering to Sam, but true.......

Marco Renda,
The editor of Treating youself magazine had this to say....
Joe Pietri is NO RAT! I have to laugh if that is what Sam The Skunkman is saying. Sam The Skunkman threatened SKUNK MAGAZINE that if they publish the 2nd part of his article where he outs Sam that he will make sure that SKUNK loses all of their Dutch advertisers! Now after hearing this from both Joe and the Editor of SKUNK I decided to run the COMPLETE article in TY issue # 17 which will be available in a couple of weeks. Now although I don't agree 100% with Joe Pietri I do believe in FREE SPEACH and Sam wants folks only to hear his side of things. If Joe Pietri was a RAT he would be dead by now don't you think? Joe has the respect of many in the industry and we all believe that EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion.

Take Care and Peace
Marco

Sam the Skunkman is worried. An honest man does not need to make such threats.
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Did Sam forget the golden rule in Mary circles : " There are no secrets, Only stuff we know now, and the stuff we'll know later."
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Sounds like his guilty conscience, is generating a self preservation reaction.

According to Sam, he arrived in Holland in 84, but according to a book I read by a Dutch criminologist called Frank Bovenkerk, it was 85. Old Ed arrived in 78, but I doubt he brought any Skunk with him. When Sam arrived and showed the Skunk line to Eddy Reekeder, Neville Schoenmaekers and Ben Dronkers, they were stunned and had to cough up a huge wad of cash to get their hands on it. If it had been in Holland prior to this, they wouldn't have been shocked by it's quality compared to the Dutch grown Nederwiet and the imported weed they had back then.

Before Sam arrived, Neville was selling seeds picked from coffeeshop imports such as Colobian Gold, Nigerian, Thai and Jamaican, plus a few other things that he dropepd after getting his hands on the better quality US genes. SSSC were a collective based in Maastricht and I don't think they were around in 82. The one seed company that I can think of that was around in 82 besides Neville's The Seedbank (which was only established in 82) was Wernard Bruining's Lowlands Seed/Weed Co that later became Positronics, Old Ed was a collaborator in this venture, so it would be a good idea to ask Wernard by email if they had any Skunk in 82, I don't think they did tho. So it's likely that your guy either picked up something else in 82 or didn't pick up the Skunk till a couple of years later, as in 82 the only people selling Skunk seeds that we know of for sure was Sacred Seeds in the US, and they were busted that year. It was a long time ago and memory is a transient thing, so gettign the year wrong is understandable.

I only posted Sam's comment to illustrate his opinion on Joe. I've read The King of Nepal and Joe didn't come across as a particularly likeable character to me, but to have worked in the business he did, where your honesty and honour are crucial would sugegst he was indeed not a rat. Sam's comment has to be taken in the context of the lawsuit issued by joe against Mila and others against their commercialisation of the water hash method.
It's getting to the point where hard facts need to be posted, it's all fine and well folks saying things that are controversial, and I don't have much doubt about the fact that Sam did some dodgy things, but while it's reasonable to suggest that the way he got away from the Sacred Seeds bust and made it to Holland with 250,000 seeds in tow suggests some dodgy dealings with US LEO, it would be much better to be able to present some hard and fast facts. Can anyone actually find any info on the Sacred Seeds bust? Was there anything in High Times about it? (Danny Danko should be able to help here) Where was the bust? Was it local police, state police or a Federal agency that carried out the bust? It must be fairly easy to obtain information pertaining to the case as the US has a Freedom of Information Act. Also, the people arrested in the bust will have been to court, so the court records are out there somewhere, the arrest records too, some proper investigation needs to be done.

If we're gonna go after Sam by writing highly negative pieces about him and his actions, it is important to arm ourselves with some real ammunition as he can just shrug off stuff said by people that jives with his story, but he can't do anything to dispute hard facts.

~ A final word from the the Editor of Treating Yourself Magazine Marco Renda,

I can assure you that if the statements made by Joe Pietri in his Skunk Magazine article were false, I am confident that Sam The Skunkman would have sued Joe for Liebel!

Joe isn't suing anyone it's the person that originally came up with the water extraction meathod that is doing the suing. As a matter of fact this person has already won in court in Germany and anyone selling ice water extraction bags there has to pay a fee on each bag sold. The other thing is Mila states that the Bubbleman stole her idea when it wasn't even hers to begin with LOL.

I know 1 thing about Joe as I have met with him on several occassions over the past couple of years and he sure has some fine hash and can smoke like a fiend!

Danny wouldn't have an idea as he wasn't even working with HT when all this went down

Take Care and Peace
Marco

Here is a very telling post from Shantibaba that adds weight to the anti-Sam argument:

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Now to clear up the story and myths that go around, due mainly to people in the industry(other seed companies) who are more interested in making money than giving information that is correct. Haze brothers worked on the Haze’s and they did get to Sam and Nevil(owner of THE SEEDBANK…and then Ben Dronkers retailed Nevils strains under the label of SENSI SEEDBANK after Nevil had some jail time in Australia .Nevil was the first Seed Bank or company to exist in Holland so his legendary strains such as Northern lights 5, Ultra skunk , Nl5 Haze, Early pearl , Early girl, Shiva Skunk….and so on became the basis for a lot of offspring seed companies that followed in the 90s.

In fact companies like Dutch passion and Nirvana began by copying Nevils seeds from the F1 seed…but most of them would never say so as they are Dutch business men who see dollars first and not genetics….Sam and Nevil use to work a bit on strains together but when it was revealed that Sam and his crew of Americans in Holland all were part of informants for the DEA in America on a radio program in Holland they split to the UK to do other things. Sam never started or owned a seed company so his claim to all the strains that became famous years ago are not really warranted. He did however do a lot of work on Skunk and shared some seed with Nevil, but as you know for breeding you cannot just take any plant and make a strain like Greenhouse does nowadays. I was working in Australia on varieties like Mullumbimby madness and Thai and Columbia strains of sativas, as well as a lot of original Afghan stock. When I came to Holland in 1990 with my seed stock I linked up with Nevil , and used Arjan’s coffeeshops to introduce strains of cannabis and a little later the seed versions, but we never gave any of the plants to him.Arjan just sold seed produced by Nevil and myself. I co founded the Greenhouse Seed Company with Arjan in 1994(unlike Arjan’s claim it began in 1985 from him alone…he was angry that I sold my half share to him and left in 1998 to Switzerland and to open Mr Nice Seedbank with Nevil and Howard…but I was and still am the sole owner of MNS). In 1995 I came out with the seed version of White widow, then White Rhino 1996 and White Shark 1997…el nino1998 , Himalayan gold and so on. Nevil and I co worked on some Haze strains during the early to mid 90s of which Super Silver Haze and Mango Haze were two strains that eventually came out of this work.The seed was sold under the Greenhouse Seed co label but Nevil held those plants and only sold the seed of these varieties as well as the weed version that won all those awards.So as to help Arjan sell the correct weed we set up our own independent grow rooms and produced those weeds and Arjan bought them all so as no other Dutch shop could compete. In those days the Greenhouse sold the correct weed and seed.But in 1998 when I won all the cups with Nevil(including Shantibaba’s Hash for best nederhash) I was givien a better offer by a Swiss group to set up a medical cannabis farm and distil oil…so I sold my share to Arjan and left. A lot of people were shocked as they thought we were a solid unit but actually Arjan was over the top already with his success and his ego was too much to listen to and considering the Swiss thing had unlimited possibility where as Holland was stuck at being glorified dope dealers….as it still is today. Medical was more my interest.

I took all my plants which made the seeds, especially my fathers and Nevil put all his plants with me so together we had a library of all genetics possible in the cannabis world. Nevil soon sold his part in one of the coffeeshops and had a big problem with Arjan too…but it took another year or two for them to split. Take a look at the High times Cannabis cup after 1998, so 1999 onwards….only while Nevil was there did they win with SSH, but that soon left with Nevil and Arjan even got caught cheating or trying to bribe people to win cup…so was disqualified one year.

A lot of stories exist about the Widow family and a lot of people had access to some of the female versions I left in Holland and soon began claiming to be the creature etc….but the original seed versions that won the first cup in 1995 came from my plants not anyone else’s. Till today we have all the plants in original form. Franco, the Italian working for Arjan now does not even know the original plants as he did not come on the scene till after I left. I have nothing against him at all but he is paid by Arjan andis part of that show so believes what ever is feed to him. The GHSco tried to get things going by buying some seed Nev and I had for sale from a guy in Holland during this time. The guy called me up and told me Arjan bought a few thousand euros of this seed and a year later came out with seed under the well known names he had used previously. The growers could not know this until they grew it out and considering a lot of people never grew it before they did not even know what they were looking at and still do not.So many seed companies use the names like White widow but the genetics are all different. I wrote out the true origins of the plant and everyone copied that so it looks like everyone is selling the same genetics but it is they are all selling a name that sells…nothing more.Ask Franco to show you a photo of the original parents that make the widow…he cannot as he has never seen them.The Ghsco linked up with others like Ingemar who claims to be the widow breeder but he is only a grower and he never came out with a seed version until after I made it in 1995. But all the facts have become mixed and people try to confuse the grower by claiming things that no one else can prove to be correct or wrong…as there are no rules in the seed game since all cannabis is actually not recognized in the official plant world as sub species due to it being drug related. So in actual fact no one owns nothing…even all the trademarked R after the names you see from various seed companies are all bullshit as they are not really able to protect any names as the plants do not officially exist…but that is another story.

In the late 90s I gave plants to Soma, and he began a seed company a year later too…mixing his skunks to my males. This has occurred many times to me just look at the Spanish seed companies and 10 years ago…none existed until I went there in 1995 and gave away 3 kilos of seed to growers via Canamo magazine….but that is another story too.

Now the female seed story saved a lot of seed companies who never really breed seed as you only need a F1 female and chemicals….no need for a male…..so go figure why companies like the Greenhouse or Dinafem etc…set up selling female seed…..the money the demand and not really needing skill with males are all prerequisites to make a female seed. It is therefore obvious to me why Arjan (who is a very marketing person nothing more) and Franco come out every year with a new name plant…they buy an original F1 seed and donk it with silver nitrates and there you have there products…but now adays there are so many doing it it is incredible. Even companies have called me to tell me they feminised a clone of Critical mass in spain and call it critical plus….but say nothing more than thanks. So actually I really do not care any longer about other companies and what they say. We at MNS sell the real versions that won the original awards and made the legends…nowadays it is all confused and everyone is going feminised…except MNS. We exist so people who like to breed will be able to with the original true breed plants that come from selection and natural collection from traveling around the world. As they say, an empty barrel makes a louder noise…and we are full.
ShantiBaba

A fuckin Men... I got banned at ICMAG for posting the truth, To hell with them, I'm glad I found the real breeders.
nycKID

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["#"]

join the club lol,

I am banned for the 2 or 3 times cant remember lol.


for calling growhermiseeds out a few times and quoteing truth.


makes you wonder what they would do with your ip info, if they are defending the corrupt?.



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[sativalvr]

Is this the banned from other forums thread? LOL

Lets see, GHS forums, Skunk forums, UK420 forums, ICMag forums, and Cannabis Culture. Mostly for being honest about seeds the ethics of these so-called breeders. CC forums was for callng emery out for turning in US growers which purchased seeds from him before he was busted. He had made numerous threat prior to being busted b/c growers complained about the substandard genetics he was selling for extremely high prices. However, after being busted and playing the martyr for "the cause" as he states, he had turned over anythng he had on US growers when making a deal w/ the US Prosecutor. So since several growers I knew personally were busted in the Northwest and Midwest, as well as other places, I laid it out there.

Grasscity I just walked away. I could not take the ignorance any longer, not to mention the hate mail, and abusive posts when I made factual posts about seeds and the person(s) behind these seeds. Honestly, it is a wonder anyone can even keep a plant alive there with all the misinformation and completely stupid suggestions some members that claim to be "experienced" growers spread.

MNS Forums is a very experienced and knowledgeable forum. I do miss HG420 and Cannabis Collector, however "shit happens" right.

Honestly, I do not think any of us will ever know the full story of who did what and created what. Honestly, I was learning how to grow from my older step brother back in the late 70's, and began to grow on my own in the early 80's. Strains like Skunk Bud(as it was called in 1980 when I got seeds from a Trinity Co. grower/breeder), Northern Lights, Haze, Early Pearl, and other places like PA, and the Northeast which had strains like Kryptonite, Emerald Pearl, and Candy(which I personally believe was renamed Bubblegum).

As for who was telling on who; I spent most of the 90's incarcerated for Federal charges from growing, distribution, and possession of marijuana, as well as possession w/intent to distribute LSD. I spent from '87 - '97 incarcerated. I kept all my grow contacts however and kept up on my reading and taking courses offered from community colleges in botany, horticulture, and small business management, not to mention spending much of my free time in the law library to further understand the laws, guidelines, and constitutional rights granted to US citizens. I know, I ramble, part of the wannabe lawyer in me, anyway, my point is this; people always pointed fingers and spread rumors, even in th most vial and harder prisons which is where I began my time. Honestly, it is all talk. Few were around back in '83 - '85 when all these trades and deals on strains were going on. Those that were all have conflicting stories. So who do we believe? IMHO things started going south in the seed business when Neville sold his genetics from the Seed Bank, shortly after SSSC shut down, and things just never got back on track. Shanti and Neville formed Mr. Nice, which gave us growers that respect and appreciate good genetics a place to acquire them. Honestly, if I lost a finger and a thumb I can count on one hand the places I would trust buying seeds from.

So hate me, respect me, whatever, it honestly does not matter to me. In most cases, none of us, even those of us that were heavily involved in the growing communities back then, will ever know exactly what happened and who did what and stole what, and told on who, etc...etc...

I think we should get back on track with what is important, growing, medical reform, cannabis preservation, and keeping one another in touch with what genetics are true and what are just recreations. It just seems lately there is a bunch of talk about this person and that person when it really does not matter, what is done is done. We have places to acquire good genetics, some of us older growers have good genetics and work on keeping them preserved, others just want to grow, what happened in the late 70's and early 80's is now irrelevant, nor does it have any meaning in todays seed market. thing went south 15 yrs ago n the seed business.

 

[BakedBeans]

I believe in free speech and I do find it worrying that people are trying to censor the truth because of business interests.
Also on icmag, they ban the word Sannie, it comes up ******


Long live Mr Nice and any other forum where you can speak the truth

 

[southpaw]

Most forums blow. I haven't been on ICmag for a while. Fact is that MNS forums is the only message board that is truly free of censorship. That is priceless to me. On top of that, MrN seeds are the stuff that legends are made of. I am really happy to have found this forum and I am glad to be a part of this community.

sp

 

[bigherb]

its really become hard for me too believe anything the skunkman has posted

the whole o.haze story wass supposedly made up wouldnt be surprised if the skunk story is the same

nyckid they banned you brotha thats crazy

welcome to the home of the haze mns the only other place aside from washington heights were we got frank


1luvbigherb

 

[Smoke Dream]

nyckid, #, Baked Beans, sativalvr

It is a shame what some of these individuals have come to.
Even greater shame to see some of you have to suffer for defending the truth. I am no one great lol, but I am amongst many that respect those who sacrafice for the good. Those who sacrafice for the truth as you will find many of us here at mns.
Thank you for speaking. With the things slowly but surely moving in a positive direction, many words that had to be silent due to the laws will be spoken as the constraints slowly break. More will surface.
For now, I thank you for sharing!
Do not know much about the past. My state has always been far from the game so I have never really been involed. But in todays day, Im glad to say that I am heavly involved and proud!
Your information is appreciated by those of us who didn't know to inquire.
Think thats why they get mad, we didn't know of the lies until the truth got told! Or atleast surfaced so that parites involved can tell it how it is or set the records strait at least.

Peace out,
Smoke Dream

 

[nycKID]

Have been informed that what I saw on Icmag was not a threat..Shit had me on high alert ....Was about to go underground bros..
nycKID

 

[L33t]

What I really hate is these people who don't have anything useful to comment/add on such topics (debates if you will) and they say that just cause its things that happened many years ago and we were not directly involved we have no fucking right to comment or even get involved in those topics in the first place!! FUCK EM ALL !! Everyone has the right to research and get involved with history. If they dont like that its their prob.

I would never expose a person's real name/private details on a public canna forum but everyone has the right to comment on things and express his views on a matter that is and has been discussed publicly.

If a person is a rat and it has been proved with hard facts then this is a different matter as I do not think any grower would like to hang around in forums where rats/police informants are mods without knowing it . If there is any level of danger for any of the members there then its a very serious case and people should and have the right to know. But accusing without hard proof and without giving the person the benefit of doubt is simply wrong as far as I m concerned.

People can and do post lies! On the other hand all people have the right to defend themselves and reply or even respond by legal means ! Unfortunately Cannabis is an illegal plant in most countries and there are no specific laws/regulations regarding cannabis (incl patents) so things are messed up at the moment , but every grower knows that if he wants to be 100% safe he must never tell anyone that he grows and he must never expose himself. If one doesn't do that he puts himself in danger and thats something he will have to deal with , but its up to the person what path he will chose after having considered all these things.

Me just like many here, do not like people that help hide the truth and do not allow for certain matters to be discussed but we must remember IC is a public forum run privatelly and you cant do much.Thanks to Shanti we have a forum that allows for freedom of speach and we are really gratefull for that.

nycKid,
Fuck bro you got banned?!Damn the situation over IC is getting worse and worse day by day and now seems its gotten out of hand , the heads up in the IC chain will do anything in order to shut mouths up..

 

[Jamie]

fucking circus show!



send in the clowns......

 

[Jamie]

hahahahaa I see my response to you Jesse was removed by a fraidy cat admin. I like how this load of purile shit can stay, maybe he agrees and likes to play silly political games too...

I just like Cannabis I have no interest in your schoolyard squabbles... pm me again when you can't reccieve a reply and I will once again reply to you publically... admin might be able to remove the posts, but not before plenty of people read them..

 

[admini]

heya Jamie

I have no problem with you - the only thead of yours I deleted was the one on "PM inboxes being full", after I increased the limit of PM from 185 to 250 for all users, last friday.

Its very unusal here at MNS forum that threads are removed - but you were discussing some chilly stuff with Jesse in the "Daily news" forum, my favorite section where I look for the daily inspiration...

If this has hiurt yuor feelings I am sorry - but be aware that I took all decisions by myself without asking no one, nor wanting to protect anybody.
We like to keep personal stuff private here - please have a look at the forum rules when you get a chance:
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1997

all the best,
admini

ps: hope you were happy with the PM increase

 

[Silly(c)One]

I believe in free speech and I do find it worrying that people are trying to censor the truth because of business interests.

That's how the whole world is turning into. It's always been like that for everything else, cannabis being illegal in most parts, it just took a little longer for the virus of marketing and capitalism to infuse...

I wouldn't bother putting much energy on ICmag trying to convince people of "the truth". People only hear what they want to hear, and the ones that use their brains already understood the situation. You can't change/convert the masses by rationality anyways, as Richard Dawkings understood when going against the religions : these people don't NEED to understand because they BELIEVE. So no rational reason will make them change their minds about how Arjan is the best breeder on earth and Soma is breeding for spiritual rasta reasons (hence the 10+€/seed pricetag ?), etc.

No argumentation will convince them, so going against it is only going to ruin yourself. Don't waste your energy fighting against someone, rather spend it growing more, preserving landraces, DOING SOMETHING in the interest of the plant itself for once, instead of growing the plant for our own ego/interest.

 

[sativalvr]

What I really hate is these people who don't have anything useful to comment/add on such topics (debates if you will) and they say that just cause its things that happened many years ago and we were not directly involved we have no fucking right to comment or even get involved in those topics in the first place!! FUCK EM ALL !! Everyone has the right to research and get involved with history. If they dont like that its their prob.

Where exactly is that stated any where in this thread? It seems just another ploy to start shit by placing words in other's mouths.

People have the right to discuss whatever they feel, what their opinions are, and whatever they please, after all, it is the internet. Does it matter? No! It is past and other than a handful of growers & breeders which possess some of these genetics, nothing said now, or even then would really make much difference would it? Does anyone here, or on any other forum for that matter, actually believe they will put GHSC, or any other seed bank out business? Yeah, good luck with that crusade.

If a person is a rat and it has been proved with hard facts then this is a different matter as I do not think any grower would like to hang around in forums where rats/police informants are mods without knowing it . If there is any level of danger for any of the members there then its a very serious case and people should and have the right to know. But accusing without hard proof and without giving the person the benefit of doubt is simply wrong as far as I am concerned.

First of all, Motions Of Discovery which is the very first step in the Grand Jury making the decision to hear testimony of informants and witnesses does not lie. Everything from any on going investigation is there, yes, including Confidential Informants. Case Law is one thing that does not lie, nor does it hide names of witnesses, informants, or anyone else involved in the case. So to me, not only does all this "he say, she say" carry no actual nor factual evidence to sustain the accusations, it also does not matter. Trust me, LEO, from Federal to local levels probably surf drug related forums from time to time, some are probably even members. Very few forums require you to join to read various topics.

I personally am a true lover of the cannabis species, I believe not only in growing for personal use, but in the many uses beyond recreational & medical use cannabis can provide. I personally believe it can improve most weakened economies if made some what tolerant, look at The emerald Triangle for instance, Trinity, Humboldt, and Mendocino Counties whole economy is based on cannabis.

We can keep discussing the past and who did what etc....etc.... but the future of cannabis and preserving these true lines comes from growers/breeders which possess that true passion & love for the species, not from shit that happened over 2 decades ago. Lets face it, most countries in which some of these true inbred lines came from are far to unstable & violent now to travel. So it is up to those of us which possess these lines to work at preserving them for future breeders.

I think I made it quite clear: "hate me, love me, it really does not matter to me". I do know one thing, I'm here to gain knowledge of strains, the lineages behind these strains, and the growers experiences with growing these strains. I have been involved in cannabis reform since the mid 80's, even went to prison for growing, and will say with no doubt that the next 5 yrs will open up many options for the future of cannabis. I for one want to be be able, without the threat of LEO, to be able to openly grow and breed. I do see this in my future and the future of cannabis.

Sorry if this is not a useful comment. However, it is how I feel and is my opinion, and if anyone does not like it, oh FUCKIN well. As far as I'm concerned, if others cannot respect my opinions nd views, then please do not expect the same respect for you and your views. Placing words in another's mouth is one of the biggest, not to mention most ignorant problems on most public forums. Just another opinion of mine.

 

[gertbfrow]

ICMAG.com remids me alot like the t.v. show heroes. At first I thought I found something awesome and unique and high quality in everyway. A flawless product.

Well both did the same thing in getting me all worked up for nothing. I was a huge fan of icmag infact i was about to fucking donate to them when a bunch of my posts got erased for greedy reasons. I was hooked on that site much like i was hooked on the first season of heroes. I didnt want to miss a thing.

Well they both ended up pulling a hiroshima and ruining all that was decent about both. Heroes is a ridiculous spoof of what the first season was. Just like icmag.

After ending a 7ry relationship eith my ex girlfriend I'm becoming weary of aspect of liking or loving anything anymore. I used to be a great person with my heart on my sleave and would give the shirt off my back to a stranger. But year by year now it seems that my faith and love in humanity is dwindling at an incredible rate. Everything just sucks, and theres little I can do. People just keep getting dumber. I can bearly take it anymore. I just want to be a recluse and be a non-insane, non-dope addled, Howard Huges...with a gigantic warehouse to do what I love most grow and get into breeding the finest marijuana in the world.

Just become numb and let shit rain. Everytime I let my guard down and accept something and love it, it shits in my face. ala' jim leahy

.......All i have to say is that if the third season of Breaking Bad does what icmag and heroes did to me.......there wil be hell to pay!

lmfao

 

[Silly(c)One]

All I can say, gertbfrow is : you're not alone... It's a general feeling many people get everywhere in the world.

As for me, I believe it's the very end of capitalism. Either humanity learns it's time to be responsible for its own choices (leave gods and governments behind with the daddy figure) and cooperate or the planet will show us soon enough who's living on who's back

In the meantime, I try to find new ways of life and relating to other human beings, while my life experience of lost souls drives my radar to find more and more people thinking like me... I believe quite a few of those are around here in this very same forum

 

[L33t]

Hey sativalvr,

Where exactly is that stated any where in this thread? It seems just another ploy to start shit by placing words in other's mouths.

Nowhere

I 'm even not talking about the replies in this thread

I read the thread's first post that nycKid got banned over IC and in my reply I was referring to post replies over IC where in some threads about Sam , people kept posting things that go like "people this is not your business and you must not be discussing these things cause you were not there" .

My post had nothing to do with you. It was about those kind of people over IC . Hope this is clear now .

Afterall what you posted was that all these old stories are not much of your interest. This is respectable and it clearly is your own opinion. Nothing wrong with that.
I am refering to people that reply with an attitude and/or are rude.Now if such people don't like a discussion and have nothing to add they shouldnt even partake as not only help get such threads get closed but all that off topic stuff they post make the threads a real mess.
Everyone has the right to discuss about the history of genetics and I say fuck those who say otherwise. If they dont like the discussion they can always stay out of it , its as simple as that.

 

[sativalvr]

Hey sativalvr,




Nowhere

I 'm even not talking about the replies in this thread

I read the thread's first post that nycKid got banned over IC and in my reply I was referring to post replies over IC where in some threads about Sam , people kept posting things that go like "people this is not your business and you must not be discussing these things cause you were not there" .

My post had nothing to do with you. It was about those kind of people over IC . Hope this is clear now .

Afterall what you posted was that all these old stories are not much of your interest. This is respectable and it clearly is your own opinion. Nothing wrong with that.
I am refering to people that reply with an attitude and/or are rude.Now if such people don't like a discussion and have nothing to add they shouldnt even partake as not only help get such threads get closed but all that off topic stuff they post make the threads a real mess.
Everyone has the right to discuss about the history of genetics and I say fuck those who say otherwise. If they dont like the discussion they can always stay out of it , its as simple as that.

I have to agree with that. I also respect your views of ICMag for I was banned for my opinions of breeders which I do feel needs to be addressed to the younger, less experienced growers. to me, the discussion of old genetics is important, however all the accusations are not. Too many people lose touch with how some of these great genetics were created b/c they stray off nto who did what and who is tellng the truth and who is not. I know the Skunk Bud as it was called back in '80 was a Columbian/Afghani crossed with a Mexi strain, many claim Acapulco Gold, others have claimed it was Michoacan, some have even ventured to say it was Thai. I did not care, it grew strong and smelled so strong it would have wild skunks dry humping the stalks...a little humor there...LOL.

I thought maybe you were refering to my statement of all the he said, she said stuff not beng important, so being a grown man, I must apologize to you L33T. I do still feel that way though, th rumors behind who did what and IF some-one snitched etc..etc.. is unimportant to me. The true lineages and history of strains is important to me.

I'm a lover of cannbis and am very passionate towards all aspects of cannabis. I feel anyone should be able to grow it if they want, it shold be allowed for those wishingto use it as medication rather than the exspensive and addictive script drugs Dr's try to shove down our throats. I feel cannabis can improve the environment, a poor economy, and be a big boost to the sudden world wide "green" craze that seems to be sweeping the US presently.

I'm just a very passionate grower/breeder when it comes to cannabis, and this is ne of the reasons I truly love this forum is b/c most of the growers here are experienced, knowledgeable, and respectful.

I apologize for the misconception of your post L33T.

 

[Grover Sativa]

hello all - stay chilled, people!

There's too much hate in the world already....

Gert - splitting up with lovers is harsh - your feelings of wanting to be left alone and finding it hard to trust and love and normal. Believe me, the world IS beautiful. People really aren't as stupid as you think but it's OK if you don't believe me right now - you will one day soon! MUCH LOVE

SativaLvr - you spent TEN YEARS inside for getting people high? When EVERYONE gets high anyway? INSANITY. I really feel for you, brother. That's just so sad. Move to Europe. I wouldn't say we were more enlightened over here but we do go a bit easier on each other! You'd have to KILL someone to get 10 years over here (or avoid paying your taxes....)
I hear Spain is nice this time of year.......

FREEDOM IS NORMAL

Silly - my religion teaches me to love other people, to turn the other cheek and to respect other peoples ways of life. Live and let live, if you will. What have you got against that? God is love, brother. Religions DON'T start wars - people do. MILLIONS, maybe BILLIONS of people live peaceful, harmless, quiet lives worshipping their Gods. A few thousand violent people - who use religion as an excuse to wage war - shouldn't cloud your judgement. Stop treating God loving people with such contempt. I find it as offensive as racism. Understand?
If you don't have faith in your life, fine. I have no problem with that. It should be vice versa. It makes me so sad that people in the UK see religion so badly. Anyone who believes in God is somehow seen as a nut, or a bible basher or something. It is NOT like that in the rest of the world, friend. Most people LOVE God. You should have more respect for people's beliefs. I respect yours, after all.

L33t - who cares how many kids buy Greenhouse Seeds? Why would you want to put Arjan out of business? He is just a businessman, after all. It is not his job to protect the cannabis plant, or it's genes. He just sells souvenir seeds, that's all. As I've said before, 90% of the seeds Arjan sells are never planted. He makes NO difference to the cannabis world. Forget about him. So long as Shanti is doing his stuff then the genes you love will be fine.

As far as history and all that stuff. It is interesting but unimportant. History is just one thing after another, after all! Cannabis has been around for thousands of years. Whisper it - Even before seed banks! If all the seed banks and all your collections disappeared overnight it wouldn't matter. People would still cultivate the seeds they had, selecting the most fitting to their environment. These would become, over time, Landrace varieties and we could all start collecting them over-again! And all those Landrace strains in your collections? They still exist - in the countries you collected them from in the first place! Cultivated by those same races! (outside of the Mexican varieties destroyed by those fucking CIA bastards during sprayings...)
The fact that laws in Thailand prevent the collection of seeds from those Thai strains is unimportant, they are still there. Waiting, if you will....Besides laws in our countries prevent us making proper use of the genetics anyway.


In conclusion I say this - The Northern Lights pheno of the Mango Haze really is a good smoke. Sweet, soft, slightly fruity. Hypnotic high. Less knees than original NL but just as "Mongo Mongo"! Aaaah that's better - we're talking about WEED again!

Happy Growing Everyone. Merry Christmas and that includes you, Admini - despite your somewhat industrial use of the English language! (- this is the point where you tell me how much better your English is to my Dutch!!)


GS

 

[Silly(c)One]

Grover Sativa, good points. I'm sorry if I offended you, you're right about comparing my hate for god loving people to racism. I will keep my thinking for me, as for so many other abnormal things society has brainstormed us with.

But I'll have to disagree on most points of your post, because, although I'm deeply touched by your enthousiasm, I'm also frightened because your wishfull thinking is far from the harsh reality of the human condition.

Yes, religion is bad. I didn't say people loving God are bad, but religions are.
Because what happends between you and your convictions (in God, Allah, Buddah, Gaia, Darwin, whatever) should never be dictated by other men.
Religions have NOTHING to do with God, and everything with controlling the masses for personnal power. They are movements of mass manipulation, serving a tiny minority.
Again here, I'm not saying that every preast is willing to manipulate his brothers and sisters, as he's been manipulated as well by the dogmas vehiculated by religion.

Please do believe in any God or reason you want, but don't defend Religion...
Religion has murdered more people than prohibition over the course of history, and still a reason of hate between the peoples of this wonderful planet. Look at how the US use religion for their political and financial agendas, how the Talibans use religion to control their people and lack any respect towards the women, look how the Pope probably killed millions of africans (by stating the condom is not allowed by the Christ or some shit) in the name of religion, and he's not even in jail ???

Twisted world, I tell you !

But it's good to know that some people still want to live happy, like you. Hopefully the rest of the world will follow, after they have got something to eat (because religion doesn't feed anybody, and 4 billion people live below ultra poverty (less than 1 USD a day to live - that's a 4rth of one of the 3 pills I have to eat everyday to be able to stop and think as I have a strong case of ADHD !)...

The thing I'll agree a 100% with you is : let's talk about weed instead.
The rest is too complicated and fucked up to be brushed in a few posts on a weed forum...