SSH and Mango Haze are pedigree breeds incorporating both sides of Haze A and Haze C combinations....in their breeding

[Vlad the Inhaler]

you shoulda stopped pages ago, but thanks

the thread does not belong to me, it belongs to mns and all its members.
and the topic is about correcting errors in pedigree details.
or correcting our understanding of what the pedigree detail weve been given means.
but im thinking it s the first one.

how do you do those signature things.
if you can do that here, i think im going to make mine

IM SNARKY

Lol as fuck bro.
You're just regurgitating my PM to you.

About self awareness.

About this thread belonging to the community.

About us both pulling up ages ago, for all others sake.

How broken are you??

You didn't understand those excellent points as in anyway allowing you to grow.
You just use then as rhetorical points against me.

How can winning a petty argument be more important to you than your own personal development??

Mate, I PM you three times today.
And you want to drop them here, trying to sound even and wise.

You are a special one Jack.

See how far you get with your attitudes and tricks on this site.

Don't you remember that before I started chatting you, both your threads were dormant. You were running monologues, and bumping yourself.

Are you in anyway aware of WHAT TYPE OF ESTEEM YOUR BOY EB IS HELD IN, HERE?

Maybe you became a keyboard warrior too early in life.
Not enough time to develop any character.

But to throw my PM's back at me here, to score points......
I just feel sorry for you, your compulsions.

If we both calmed down, I was happy to reengage with respect.
Bit I'm afraid it will always be about petty one-upmanship.
Fuck that

It's not any site that disallows your communication.
It's your compulsions, apparently.

## and I've admitted my issues with CTSD. The reason I've been trying to pull up, is I know how both of us were coming across.
So a guy with mental health issues seems better adjusted than you.

What is your excuse??

You are just taken the wrong way??
Always??
How do you run in your personal life?

I'm bored as fuck, my wife is visiting her family.
So I jumped back onto the site not long ago.

I saw EB back on here, acting the fool, again, and ripped him a bit

But I knew I was going hard.

Is this just you on any old day mate??

Is this the best you can give??

If this is just me harassing you, and you being a fair and reasonable member, why would other members be calling out YOU and EB.

The reason I kept whispering you wasn't because I was afraid you were winning or whatever you think you are doing.
It's cos I didn't want to be called out as a dick too.

You get shamed, by the mature members in this board, and just ignore it.
Then run some bullshit line about how you love MNS and you are just easily misunderstood.

What I was saying to you all along was
DONT WEAR OUT YOUR WELCOME.
BE AWARE OF HOW YOU COME ACROSS.

But you are so damaged, you had to go and shit the bed, again.
How can winning an argument against someone you don't even know mean so much to you??

As much as a cunt I sound, I told you that stuff from love.
Hoping you could bend a little, to fit in here.
If I hated you, I would of just ignored you.
Maladjustment means what?? to you.

Blunt and I were communicating positively, did you feel like a lost little boy? That you weren't involved?
So you make strife.
HOW HUNGRY R U??

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

And if it is so important for you to control the thread. To remind people to stay on your topic, then I suggest you don't run it on board#4.
Go run this thread, #45 thread on this exact topic, probably, on #5 board.

The strain board.

And I'll tell you how far your tricks will get you.

When you decide to mimic me, and pretend to be concerned with the community, you come over as totally fake, like you want to burn your credibility like old leaves.
Through the start of this thread, I tell you how good this site/MNS are, while you ran them down.

So your words from just a couple of days ago shows how fake and struggling you are.

You think everyone here is as stupid as you?
That no one remembers more than the last word coming out of your mouth?? (off your keyboard, whatever)

I'm not sure you read the room too well, son.

And as I said. also, I didn't want to debate, to contest you.
I honestly wanted to just discuss shit.
Because you are high energy even if we clearly have different ideas about interpersonal respect.

If you want to just become a master-debater, I suggest you go and join a debating club.

If all you want in lyf is a cut of Jack, also, why have you only germed 25 seeds in last 10 years?.
Or you so pro, you been hanging with the big boys so long, and you r so close with INDUSTRY LEADING EB, why can't you just go get a hot as fuck Jack cut.?? From your sick hook-ups.?
You don't even seem to make any sense.

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

ive got some PNG, but you wont believe me cause i cant prove where they came from
150 days flowering

If we wouldn't believe you, why even bring it up? Do you understand golom theory mate?
It's reverse Pygmalion treatment.

If you think someone or something will fail, then it will.
It's a self-fulfilling premise/conditioning.
If you enter into a conversation in that manner where do you think it will lead??

Dude I got issues, but I'm actually an optimistic as fuck person.
That is why I hoped you would pull up.
It just seemed I was hacking you hard, but you couldn't make a single post that was factual or without some snark, innuendo or sneaky hint.

Even now I hope you can gain something out of this grotty shit storm you and I out on.
Or I wouldn't be trying to rationalise it to you.

But without a doubt, YOU WIN.
/gL

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

And this one is for you, old spud.
What's in your heart brother?
You seem to have ownership here. Like you want to be an active member.
But for what purpose?
To feel superior to other members.? To shoe off some type of superiority?
Mate if Jack wasn't hand-in-hand-with-you-while -walking, then I wouldn't have felt such distaste for him.
You mentor him to be a cunt? By setting that example, or just you two cunts were drawn to each other.
Apart from deal, poorly , with you infacttuation with Shanti, what is your purpose?
Do you mentor anyone?
It just score points off of people.
Why do you live so happily in shame?
Time and time again I've seen you get run off of this board.
You go and load up your old spice alt, and talk yourself up from your sock puppet.
Then you jump back into EB, but you don't learn a thing.
You complain about the community, but how many bridges do you actually build?
I'm trying to reach out to you now.
If you don't love it here. Simply leave.
Don't set such an example to others, like Jack Pls.

If you want to be here, don't you feel any obligation to fit in, or get along.
Do you really just enjoy the confrontation.

I feel as dirty as fuck right now.

So yeah, I got troled good.

But I'm not the gimp pretending I live a whole fake life.

Using a picture from the zoo, to pretend I am something I am not.

Unless Shanti is PM u some hot love affair, why do you hang around grilling his nuts?

Can't you smell the stink in the air coming from you and your boys.
IF YOU CANT RUN THE SHOW, DO YOU HAVE TO RUIN IT FOR SO MANY OTHERS?
DO YOU ENJOY MAKING THIS COMMUNITY LOOK BAD TO THE VISITORS? DO YOU NOT EVEN CARE? LIKE ANYONE ELSE DOESNT EVEN GET CONSIDERED?

Lie to yourselves how you just getting hated on cos everyone wish they were you.

You are just an awkward and un-agreeable person.

I read this book, it's called.

*How to hug a porcupine,
Loving the difficult people in your life.*

Lol

Cos I know I am a cunt. But I wish I wasn't.
But I see you so clearly.

This is heart felt shit I'm telling you.
Cos I'm honest.
I'd love to be able to just chat to you.
Fairly and with respect.

But I'm not sure you respect this place. At least I've never seen it.

Yeah you've got a nice c5*a5/Thai.
But you've got a black heart

And I'm happy for the mod to bounce me.

I actually like this place.
But the members I respect so much, don't feel comfortable.

Cos grots like you n your crew and me also, act the cunt,
Always
It does my head in.

And just so you know, once and for all. Shanti doesn't wear a clown suit to work.
You know why??
Cos the guy isn't a fucking clown.
So stop sledging him for not HANGING AROUND THIS CIRCUS.

Even the most junior member of any team can help raise the team.
By leading from the bottom.

Instead of being sour this place isn't how you like it, why don't you try changing it with posative intent??

You understand that LOVE IS THE MOST POWERFUL FORCE??

You can laugh all this shit off, how I went full psycho.
But whatever.
I just got to sing along to some Elvis songs for 30 minutes, and I feel as pure as can be.
So yeah, I'm pretty out there.

But what do you to quell the darkness in yourself?

Nothing apparently.

God bless you jacko.

At least I fried out quick.

I'll just go n sing n walk the beach at Fremantle.

I hope you get what you came here for.

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

Now I've growled a bit, had a feed, and watched Elvis movie Fun in Acapulco (pretty girls).I'll try and explain something simple to you Jack.
If you are a senior member here. You should know better than to launch this thread on this board

It has gone down like this before

True parents of SSH circa 2019 is pretty contentious thread to run.
Shanti didn't join in last time it was raised, so why did you think it was going to be different this time?
And how it is made, now, isn't really our business.

Personally I don't think they are high end hybrid generation.
I think after more than 30 years, the breeding is IBL now.
But I don't know.

I don't really care that much either.
I only use haze/Jack as a hybrid.
I don't want to debate it.
But that is my opinion.
You can ignore it.

But you were never going to uncover the secret truth, lol.
You think you are on the search for knowledge, for the sake of everyone, for pure motives.

I wonder if EB whispered to you to launch the thread though.
Surely he would know how this would run.

No one with any true knowledge adding anything not out there already.
Members offering conflicting scraps of info.
Sledging of MNS and El Jefe, for lack of integrity.
Blah.
Blah
Blah.

But do we have a right to demand anything.

As musashi kindly told you ages ago....

If you like a company's produce, then be their customer.
If you don't receive the product or service you expect, then shuffle on.
If that company is a monopoly, and you need to deal with them, then you can't make a big scene, and demand how they deal with you....
Or just go back to step two...and fuck right off.

This thread had no business being dropped onto board#4... again.

Or you bumping old threads similar to it, over last three days.
Unless your purpose here is just to create mayhem.!

And that's why it's easy to think you are just EB mischievous little wing man.

If your date-hole is still glowing, and you can't let it go, please run this thread from #5 board.
(at least that would show respect to other members, who are probably sick of this same old same old)

I wonder about prof.JJ.
That guy was a wizard.
Did we scare him.off with the melodrama?
Did he get busted by the maggots? Doing lag?
We are losing or lost so much good input here.

If you are truly in search of knowledge mate, please don't alienate the people who can help you attain that knowledge.
Simple hey.

Love you man, cos you are here.
If you are MNS guest,then not up to me to pick n choose.
This is not my show.
But you helped me learn, also.
Love isn't a slogan, it's an action.
And love is acceptance.
So if I really mean it, I should do it.
Real hard to accept someone you perceive as a mischief maker though.

I truly hope you can gain a modicum of dignity though, to at least understand your actions in relation to others here.
If you still reading, then thank you for hearing/reading me out.
Cheers.

#### if you def want haze A in your mix, go get a nev skunk or a grail.
I'm sure Shanti breeds them off a killer nev haze.

If you only want haze C, then grab a mango wid, or a SSH wid or angel heart .
I'm sure his perso he's breeding from would stink, be greasy and wreck you.
Order a breeders pack, and make a fair run.

Does that mean the mango and ssh don't have haze A?
No.
But none of that matters, not really.

 

[jack hairy]

here is the first useful thing ive seen you say if a few days.

Instead of being sour this place isn't how you like it, why don't you try changing it with posative intent??

while you may think my intentions are nefarious,
i would rather any issues that can be thought of or found, to be resolved, so there is no longer any issues.
that would be a positive thing in my opinion, and the best thing that could happen to this place.

if i want haze A, which i have plenty of plants with it already, i think NH is still a better way to go.
and for haze C, i have all the 50% haze C hybrids.
so i will continue to work with them and see what i find.

you may be missing the point of this thread though.
mango should have haze A, at least according to the most recent info on it...
but SSH should not have haze A in it, according to many posts by nevil and shanti previously.

so, which is it. and yes, it does matter.
it may have been a mistake in his explanation,
or it may be a new piece of information.

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

here is the first useful thing ive seen you say if a few days.



while you may think my intentions are nefarious,
i would rather any issues that can be thought of or found, to be resolved, so there is no longer any issues.
that would be a positive thing in my opinion, and the best thing that could happen to this place.

if i want haze A, which i have plenty of plants with it already, i think NH is still a better way to go.
and for haze C, i have all the 50% haze C hybrids.
so i will continue to work with them and see what i find.

you may be missing the point of this thread though.
mango should have haze A, at least according to the most recent info on it...
but SSH should not have haze A in it, according to many posts by nevil and shanti previously.

so, which is it. and yes, it does matter.
it may have been a mistake in his explanation,
or it may be a new piece of information.

I think it is you who missed the point of the thread.

You exposed yourself for all members as a malignant little runt.
Why would anyone give you any attention again?

You are simply too stubborn and careless to deal with.

You have poor standards of truth.

If you think you reveal yourself as a quality person, one worth dealing with, then I think you may be mistaken.

I'm happy though.
Cos I just chat to my eldest son.
He's a but awkward, but a true blessing to the dead hearted, intellectual runt that you are.

You just don't get it man.

Poor form.
You push to the point of obsessive compulsion.
And you appear to be so self centered that you don't care about anything but your satisfaction.

If you are happy the way you present yourself, then fine.
Shameless little mischief maker.
(Alleged by other members to be EB's submissiveness consort.)
OK, clearly you win.

Your opinion on what should happen, or you thinking this will be cleared up,, is pure fantasy.
, though.
So all you have, and will achieve is melodrama, until you drop this.
Don't you get that you are not that important in the big scheme?
If you are here for knowledge, and you alienate the other members, what is your end game?
If you just want to argue with me, about how you are correct, then that won't happen.

So what are you trying to achieve??

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

What I said was.
If you did want A, go nev.

If you dont need A, u can go mango.

Cos it's def C dominant.
I didn't say it doesn't have A.

But you are so stubbornly holding to your agenda, you misinterpreted what I said.

So if your lack of empathy and your low capacity doesn't even allow you to understand someone who is communicating in good faith witj you,
why do you think you will actually learn anything at all here??
Ever??

And that is my point exactly.

You won't uncover any secret scoop here, like some ganja Indiana Jones.

All you are doing is salting the earth.
If you really want to learn here, you are heading up the wrong path.
Are you that defective you can't see this??
Only your handler, EB, will enjoy this.
And you can just pm him.
So if you just want it all out in open, so you can act the fool, again, what is your end game??

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

And, if you are just that hungry for attention that you are happy to bicker, and pretend it is debate.
I'm clearly not chatting to you.
I'm making my suggestions to the other members, through you.

You wont uncover anything new.

Please put this melodrama behind us
If you were honest, this thread belongs to the MNS community.
Why can't you do what's best for the community

And let this shit go.

 

[sensient]

Interesting thread on many levels! Just to clear a a few little things up. Me and EB have had our differences. But um..yeah he is in Aus....Oldspice? Don't know, don't care. Pedigrees? Don't know..Don't care!
Shanti giving incorrect info...don't know..don't care..that's his business.
Are MNS lines good? Do care..yes they are!
Grow some lines..don't like em...don't grow em!
Simple!..all the experts who think they know...um no! Shanti does...you don't!...funny shit ready people saying how Shanti does his lined! Where you standing beside him when he made them. .um no! End of......S

 

[Dogdaze]

Interesting thread on many levels! Just to clear a a few little things up. Me and EB have had our differences. But um..yeah he is in Aus....Oldspice? Don't know, don't care. Pedigrees? Don't know..Don't care!
Shanti giving incorrect info...don't know..don't care..that's his business.
Are MNS lines good? Do care..yes they are!
Grow some lines..don't like em...don't grow em!
Simple!..all the experts who think they know...um no! Shanti does...you don't!...funny shit ready people saying how Shanti does his lined! Where you standing beside him when he made them. .um no! End of......S

Well said

Be good

 

[Monkeymang333]

Vlad nobody is gonna read that shit.... Just calm down..

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

Mexico was definitely a fine place for genetics, I imagine some of the farmers even kept some of the best bred fairly decent. You would at least hope one of them have an Oaxacan on Kangavita's level. I mean there has to be Sativa loving Mexicans, how else was Speedy Gonzalez so fast? Lol

Of course it's actually safer in Afghanistan than Mexico which I would rather travel for new genetics, we really don't have all that wide of a variety of Afghans on the market. Chances are Nevil never actually got too close to the absolute best Afghan seeds in the country. Really seems like we have much more variety of Sativa genetics on the market. Just who really has the balls to ride a camel all over Afghanistan to search for the absolute best Afghans? Especially since some of the radicals will kill you just for smoking hash. I might actually do it if I get cancer, I have been thinking I'd much rather die on my feet than slowly in a hospital.

Hey Blunt.
The bit where you say how Speedy Gonzales got so quick. I got a funny take on it.
Without a doubt there is reefer reference. Popeye was pulling hookah and had a ep. where Bluto chucks amphet into the workers water.( bluto is a boss of a mine, and is running the workers like slaves) In the end, Popeye drops a seed into the water, and a ganja plant pops up. After drinking the new water, all the workers snap out of their trance.
He doesn't even give Bluto THAT MUCH OF A BEATING, and ends up saying how can he hate, with love in his heart, haha.
It's obvious it's weed. 1920's. And they have a stimulant problem in society, already.

And old Speedy's cousie Slow poke looks blazed to the point he's almost on the nod, while slowly singing the cockroach/marhawanna song.

But Speedy name was supposed about sex.
In his days (50's) north American culture was sexually suppressed to the yin yang.
Like if you didn't put a ring on it, you couldn't even squeeze a boob.
Formal courting with chaperones n shit.
Anyway, the hipsters were running a different show.
They got this formative *beat* sub culture (beatnix-hippy and freaks come off the 20's hip vibe ) book called "The White Negro" lol.
That book was about how rich yt boys in the 20's were getting on down to Harlem, for some easy loving.
They took on jazz culture in all its glory.
They were ganja proponents and were engaging in casual relations and flings with the coloured girls ( the term at the time )
So that book was about this sexually promiscuous counter culture.
And this led directly to the reefer madness scare.
When it was alleged that one single reefer would change a god fearing white grrl into a demoness that would "MAKE LOVE TO MUSICIANS AND NEGRO MEN" haha

And back to speedy.
The cartoon artists were supposed to be making a reference to Speedy's pulling power.
The fastest mouse in all of mehicko was able to pull a root, like some type of Fonzie, who actually got laid.
Like rock on down to the barrio and get love that night kind of thing.
While most guys weren't even holding their girls hand until 3 months ( not in front of the parents at least haha)
Main stream society was not doing tindr and one night stand back then, obviously

The story goes a little deeper too.
As the artist were cool kids, and hip to the time, the producers we certainly not.
Stale old men, felt like their sexual voracity/capacity was being threatened, like some type of proto-cuckold.
So they entered a countet dialogue.

That speedy was suffering from premature ejaculation, lol
That the speediest mouse in all of Mexico was actually a weak root.
Haha. Inferiority complex brought out by a cartoon mouse and his sexual shenanigans.

But they reckon his speediness was in the bedroom, and not his sativa san semilla bud.

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

A bit of cannabis sociology for you anyway.

I got 20 seed last year. From a limited edition from Norstar.
It's sold out now, so don't mind mentioning it.
Oaxaca/SMG@reef's.
I got it originally to use to a la Nina male.
For meds for my family n friends, and cuts to release to medical community here
Although now I have it in the fridge still, because I'd like to use a male, if I can find one worth keeping.
It's meant to be 70 -/+days. But the little I read about it (no one really ran reviews, cos it's LE I guess) says it spreads 8-14 weeks and can go a stout dwarf to a tree.
The spread is why I decided to select a male, if possible.
No burn out, really enjoyable euphoric effects.
Great terpenes they reckon.
The Oaxaca cut they run is pretty white, so not sure it wasn't touched by a wid or Cindy along the way.
Not an ancient landrace or anything.
But some real nice medicine, hopefully, and some valuable generic variation.
Wonder how it would cross to my angel heart ( mango pheno )

 

[jack hairy]

heres a little info to correct the errors you posted about.

Hi All
NHS or National Health Service or NL5 Haze x Skunk uses the original selection of Nevilles NL5HazeC female to a rather strong skunk line from a batch of very old seed I selected from 1988. It was done well and hopefully the testers of this strain will show you all what is in the genes....I can tell you things but I prefer F1 seed to illustrate it grown independently by members here.All the best Sb

Hi All
the skunk line used is one from old Nev seed from a batch of 1988...I believe one he originally received from Sam when they were friendly. I cracked about 150 seeds and only got 5 plants to pop...of which all the girls were nothing special...but one of the boys seemed to show excellent genetic dominance with everything he was combined to ...so kept him in the wings for a long time and this was his first proper working inside a breed. I feel these two plants do it well together and well I hope to see it with the test grows....all the best Sb

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

heres a little info to correct the errors you posted about.

Hi All
NHS or National Health Service or NL5 Haze x Skunk uses the original selection of Nevilles NL5HazeC female to a rather strong skunk line from a batch of very old seed I selected from 1988. It was done well and hopefully the testers of this strain will show you all what is in the genes....I can tell you things but I prefer F1 seed to illustrate it grown independently by members here.All the best Sb

Hi All
the skunk line used is one from old Nev seed from a batch of 1988...I believe one he originally received from Sam when they were friendly. I cracked about 150 seeds and only got 5 plants to pop...of which all the girls were nothing special...but one of the boys seemed to show excellent genetic dominance with everything he was combined to ...so kept him in the wings for a long time and this was his first proper working inside a breed. I feel these two plants do it well together and well I hope to see it with the test grows....all the best Sb

Thanks heaps man.
I couldn't find that info again, as hard I looked.
Can you post it on the NHS thread too Pls, I can't really link.

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

Hey Jack.
I just got given 20 seeds by a mate.
His bro bred a mns ssh male over a mns mango.
The mango has a massive column style central cola and few side branches. Very heavy yielding, she smells like mango and is quite potent. She is also a lot more stoney than most mango haze.
The dad is the baseball bat pheno as well. He smells haze and incense-like. His daughters are resinny heavy yielding and potent, that like to stretch out in bloom.

I don't expect to find a throwback to the original haze though, even I planted 100's.
When I look at these phenotype of haze I actually see NL5.
Sure the buzz n terpenes r hazey, but they r stoney also.
9 weeks is early flowering. They yield massive amounts of fairly dense (7/10) buds. And they produce a heap of resin.
Jack Herer is the same.
The best types owe a lot to NL5
The sisters of my beans, mango hz/ssh are potent and good yielding easy growing plants. With a surprisingly stoney buzz.
Unfortunately this actual cross throws mainly to the cat piss type. They smell like ammonia/cat piss very strongly but smoke really smoothly.
It just reminds me of the 90's when that smell was a lot more common.
I'm happy to get these cat piss skunk seeds.
Hope you find what you are looking for in these excellent seedlines also.

 

[jack hairy]

ive made MH x SSH as well.

the mango haze i used is 120 day female, and the male i would guess about the same if it was a girl to compare.

it took longer to drop pollen than one of the CBG punto rojo males i have. that was kind of surprising.

im curious why you dont think you could find a throwback to the haze, when its only a few generations removed?

 

[Vlad the Inhaler]

Hey. I think you can get a throwback to phenotype, definitely.
You can get the 12 week+ looser flower structure types easy enough.
A 17 week bloom like you selected would be good to see.
Do you grow it outside? It would stretch 3*, at least.
The stone would be quite trippy too, probably a bit much for many smokers, certainly occasional users.
I don't think you would find anything that compares to the original seed bank @1989 nl5/hzC f1 hybrid.
The later maturing types are fun for serious travellers.
But I think it is hard to find one that wil have people actually shit their pants.
I am more than happy to be wrong. And good luck on your selections.
I think today it may be more worthwhile with a late maturing widow male over a long blooming haze. If you select from that breeding you might find something unbelievable.
Cheers man.

 

[jack hairy]

well if/when i make another order from mns, i will try to get the grail widow and widow ac if they are available.

but i will probably run some shark shock before that happens, and like always make a few crosses while im at it.

ive smoked both NL5 and skunk #1, so i know what they have to offer.
and as a comparison, many of the "indicas" of today are much better.
maybe not for breeding, but definitely as a finished product.
you would think that they would be better for breeding too, as they have better qualities to them, but maybe they dont pass it on so easy.

only one way to find out, try for myself.
i dont know how the original haze i got will compare to what nevil/shanti used, but considering there were only two males used and they were both good, there is a good chance that others will do similar things.
who knows how closely or unrelated this line is from what nevil got though...