The True Origins of Haze

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.7 $20's :D Worth every penny :D

They tried puttin that branson in lil bitty jars I had to turn it down afterwhile. That's when I got put on to 'lightly pressed, lightly seeded stinky brick with full seeds'. It was easier to get and easier on the wallet. Never knew what a cure was, but I'd hope it was a bit dry, re-hydrate it with an orange peel, and leave a few nugs alone in a tupperware for a month or so. I swore that made it smoke better but never new why. :)

OK, it has to be commercial, how about someone took and african sativa and touched a dutch skunk to it. That's why I sometimes find 'haze effect' in the air (and not like a spicy indica incense, like sweet garbage :D) from some of my Shits. I just would like to think outside the box, rather than just assume that it's a seedbank seeds or sacred seed line.

Really, NYC is such a crazy big city full of immigrants & commerce. Isn't that how the plant spread in the first place? I have a hard time accepting that it is a seedbank selection. All we have to go on are smoke reports, and they are all subjective, and all sativa reports sound the same :p No one is showing off their uptown clones.

Big time Jamaican/Caribbean population.
Big time Arab/Indian population.
Big time Central/South American population.
Big time Asian Population.

I bet a lot of those immigrants and first gen natives didn't know much about a dutch mail-order seed co, or the low man on the totem pole at some Cali hippie weed farm.
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I got a bud from a clone Ohaze x sk1 which is kept alive for 26 years.First it had a more oldskool fruity scent, the more it is riping the more incense scent is becoming.The scent of incense is not so strong as the Purple Haze i smoked in the early 90s, but it is incense.BTW i got some pure incense at home, straight from the catholic church in Croatia.

Namaste :)
 
or maybe trying to inbred polybrids is a difficult task. It is to some degree using a very small gene pool bit with wide variety of expressions.

exactly that, makes breeding with haze easy (if scale/numbers aint a problem)

you can easy identify different phenos, and work them out
 
Deran thanks for reading all the thread. You took the thought and pushed a debatable thread into an evolving thought that I find inspring.

exactly that, makes breeding with haze easy (if scale/numbers aint a problem)

you can easy identify different phenos, and work them out

I think the hersy is spot on, cause most of us don't have pure hz or land race sats to try the experiment. Back to NH for most.

I believe though on the heresy, Nev said many catpiss pheno's are found throug hz inbreeding, I agree with you... got to be a couple of nice examples in the f2's.

Time to stop talking I guess is the only option left.

or maybe trying to inbred polybrids is a difficult task. It is to some degree using a very small gene pool bit with wide variety of
expressions.

I think that is what NH offers for us. All the tones, and if you dont like NL, maybe breeding it out is a valid way to make it more Hz for the serious affecinado.

I think that is why Kanga's work is the top right now... add Nevils connects and his experince, moving to the grail.

But for guys that dont want the skunk or NL... hz inbreeding if hard when we cannot find the landrace to mate to another landrace.

Okay Cooper, you got links in South Amercia (Fx were you at my boy). Can I interest you in some herming Dahad sativa. Garlic tones with Hz like fragrence and high, lolol, I know not that tempting... but you never know what the matting will be like. Seeds are old, but one or two come up if you can tune the self vibration...

I got a mate in Nigera right now. Please send some postive thoughts cause someting should be here shortly.

Any voulenteers? Sending me sperated varaities from bag herb and a couple of farmers...:D:eek: My boy is legit although not a breeder. Just a smoker that is from the Eurba tribe, and knows where in the country to go.

I like this thought Coop, or understanding the terminalogy more. What about inbreeding polyinbreed polyhybrids (does that make sense?) because that is what working with NH would be like to me in my mind...

Respect,

CM
 
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I like this thought Coop, or understanding the terminalogy more. What about inbreeding polyinbreed polyhybrids (does that make sense?) because that is what working with NH would be like to me in my mind...

Respect,

CM

I think working any line is a valid quest.
You don't know until you do it but who knows you could get some amazing stable plants in an F3 that might be worth then exploring in further out crosses. I'm not claiming to know what I'm doing, but I know what most of the seed companies do is not what I would call breeding.

With the internet and people more open to collaborating nowadays it could be a very easy task if you could organize a crew willing to work on it but most people don't have the resources, be it time, money, or knowledge to make it happen. I think it would be easier if your goal was just looking for clone specimens then breeding seed stock.

I've tossed a bit of pollen around and have been quite pleased with the results, it just makes me want to understand it more. Luck kind of goes hand in hand with hard work.
 
:confused:Puu My duu

You say i should brought out the filter ,you should have just spoke ya mind an moved on .If you respect me ,you would have done soo an thought before you posted or sent me a pm .Caz now your post boder on disrespectful .


Dont be concerned about my issues ,our relation is what it is anyone who has an issue with me can address me .As few have ,some easy with pm's it was all good others I ignored an others just continuosly troll

Its funny to me how you know my feelings soo well ,maybe you have more than the gift of a conesssuier your a mind reader aswell .

I dont care what anyone thinks of me ,Im not gonna be disrespected by anyone .

As you say stems from ,But its another thread /feeling /thought completely .Soo you staed your opinion sevral times with what reasoning

Your right my passion for NYC hazes is what lead to my quest for everything i could possibly learn about haze which lead to my article an this thread but its not about NYC haze an believe i enjoy the discussion throughly an it dont relate to me trying find the smoke thats another chapter

Stop bangin on about A5 ,its damn near impossible it will fall into our hands .I told you i was familiar with A5 long ago aswell as all the OS hazes .Before MNS i befriended YS an he has more been more descriptive than Nevil an shared much of his knowledge an experience with me .Soo yes im very familiar she is soo similar to NYC hazes




Ive heard this hit b4 an its wierd why you post it again ,irratating really

Ive challenged all else who've made this comment to show post where ive trolled or carried on about getting info an it upsetted the poster .Ive done soo respectfully always an if i wanted more i asked politely but was thankful for what ive got an expressed soo




Homie your one nugget short of a happy meal ,Disrespcting MNS by saying its not NYC haze .Listen im not sure where you where from exactly in NYC ,but a NYER knows respect is a big thing an it seems you come from way off the block .

you said you frequented the heights but anyone in NYC or around my way atleast will tell you the dark was always the best


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Are you serious ,Where teh fuck does this come from especially in this thread .I dont believe i ever said anything like that .

You above comment is one of the reasons for my ill feeling ive gotten from your recent .Its makes no sense really ,shanti dont have no Nyc haze man you should have really thought before you typed an really again if you had respected me soo much you would hav pmed me this BS ,although i would told you the same thing .




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Since i seen you were a newb an came off with thanks an praise ,I tried to answer all your questions throughly even when i couldnt help much an even though you said some crazy shit ,things that didnt make sense .You still dont got ya facts right an need to do your homework


You came out of your face an if you are soo smart would have thought twice before all these post ,you put yourself in the crossfire

I'm not trying to rain on your parade BH, I think highly of your quest, I just hate to see headaches caused instead of smiles.

Maybe I should of just minded my business.

and in terms of crossfire ... I'm not caught in any crossfire you must be confused, you're not even on my radar ... but you are on the forum busting everyone's balls all the time which in turn becomes my business,

my only feeling is this: I myself happen to know when I'm being annoying, and not wanting to be a dick in life, I try to curb my enthusiasm when I do realize I am annoying someone or some people.

you had a hand in certain members whose contributions I loved leaving the forum. thanks ... bravo BH!

the bottom line is:

I just felt you were crossing lines. more than that, I felt you might be cutting off your nose despite of your face. I didn't want to see animosity be the cause of the genetics you crave not coming your way one day. so there's many reasons I spoke up ... I was trying to calm a storm.


The bottom line is, while well spoken and polite, you still manage to be beligerent and somewhat annoying. ( not a personal attack )

you're not very good at taking hints I suppose? I thought about PMing you but then I realized this needed to go up in the forum. So it wasn't flagrant by me, but intentional to discuss this here out in the open hence my former posts.

Hey it's your life, I'm not mad at you. I wasn't trying to "expose" you or anything.

I was just saying stop being so annoying in your quest. and stop defending mute points.

You've spent how many years now and still don't have a nug of Puday/Uptown to show for your work .... FAIL

and now you want to "crossfire" talk me

my people do # selection. I was just asking you to cool out and let the forums be positive vibes. I got 20 Cali folks searching through every mns pack for the elusive Puday cut for all of us ... they're med growers who dont even need to do this but have dedicated sections of their gardens for our quest... so maybe you should take a seat and put a cork in it, and this way rather than being still empty handed in 3 years ... instead you'll have the cut.

there's enough negative energy everywhere and you keep spewing it here. you know what you're doing ...

the bottom line is, keep wasting your time. I've seen a few cuts of the mango that we're spot on. and you want to tell me no the genetics come from another line.

life is too short for the type of speculating you are doing. the reason I say this is that I feel your speculation and questioning will only ever add up to more unreferencable lore, meanwhile if you cracked a few beans you'd have her instead of not. and I know it's not exactly easy for you to do selection. but that doesn't mean option 2 is ball busting the people who are and have.

here's another point, it's called respect your elders. that means regardless of what they say or do ... elders are afforded certain courtesies but you must have been raised in a barn?

you've been here strirring the pot ... not doing innocent research as you claim. I just wanted to point this out to you cause I know this was not your intention. you're a good man I felt you were starting to get a bad rap and I didn't want that for you. and in my eyes you were starting to f up.

but rather than see my point, you make me the enemy ... yeah I'm sure that will help you get the uptown quicker.

why don't you find out about the pepperhead, the hazes have already been done ...

where are any of these discussions leading BH? You don't realize that guys like Hempy. Scorpion, Shanti, Nev, Sam, Tom ... these guys probably all have secret cuts of stuff that they'd probably pass too certain people before their time is up and you're doing your best to never be on that list.

is any of this getting through to you?

Hempy is probably laughing and smoking some Puday now. Where the hell is British Hemp while we're at it ... I kinda miss that guy!

Regardless BH, whatever you want to make of my response here ... what you should be hearing is only this

"Puday, as in me Puday, seems to feel that I would get a lot more with honey"

that's all ...

and don't talk blocks with me ... what are you a child building a fort. Save your blocks for the other children. I went to 204 and post ave .... what now?

yeah save it BH. If you're so block savy, wheres your bag seed? I got behind you as a newb, cause I was that, a newb, but I soon realized that I didn't agree with some of your methodology.

Listen Bro, the Apple is nothing without me like Steve Jobbs ... that off the block comment was just stupid. Im more NY than a one day old Yorkshire puppy.



incidentally, I live on earth, they're all everyone's blocks. Big deal, you live near the block .... so why the problem with the uptown haze then? you're always looking online here for it instead of having it. LoL

you keep hugging the block BH, I'll be over here hugging hot girls and good herbs.
 
another easy aspect of labor

all todays original haze offerings are already past F10, still you will find potency, incense/church, lemon and catpiss aromas

i mean , hey F10 .. and still top notch, compared to some other strains which break down already in the 4th generation, or some new re-crosses like 5hz, which became indica
 
and I know you probably think I could have just pm'd you BH and I would have but the responses and constant brow beating of certain forum members I saw you do was not classy at all so this was a taste of your own medicine.

I thought this was a lesson you might have learned already on the "block"?

you may think ... mind your business ... but here's the thing. I don't live on a "block", I live on Earth, which makes what you do, actually occur in my domain. and visa versa.

it's a puzzle, see if you can figure it out.

here let me make it clear, you have been an ahole to people who have done so much for so many.
 
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another easy aspect of labor

all todays original haze offerings are already past F10, still you will find potency, incense/church, lemon and catpiss aromas

i mean , hey F10 .. and still top notch, compared to some other strains which break down already in the 4th generation, or some new re-crosses like 5hz, which became indica

i see the above as the difference between the certain lines. if i where looking for breeding stock i might lean more twords Tom or Sam's lines just as they have been worked. MNS is only selling hybrids. For the grower/smoker you will find better plants in the mns hybrids, but for people looking to work with the plants the other lines might be a better starting point.
 
i see the above as the difference between the certain lines. if i where looking for breeding stock i might lean more twords Tom or Sam's lines just as they have been worked. MNS is only selling hybrids. For the grower/smoker you will find better plants in the mns hybrids, but for people looking to work with the plants the other lines might be a better starting point.

I tend to agree with this notion ... my understanding is that through vigorous selection, there should be a plethora of gems to be found. it just takes time, numbers, and a tiny bit of organization.
 
Yes and in that time I have sampled over 1000 individuals, I'm not sure if this guy Bigherb has smoked any at all. Anyway, the line does not have any sandalwood type flavor like the uptown or the more typical Dutch hazes. I've told him this, but he wants to argue the point with me based on his interpretation of what others have said etc. Now I got folk PMing me with hoodie-jive crap like "yo tom, hit me wit some a dat uptown homie, been reading Bigherbs posts and bla bla bla". Then I have to explain to them that Bigherb doesn't know wtf he's talking about regarding my lines etc, It's a big pain in the ass. I reckon Bigherb thinks it's funny, I don't. It goes with the territory though I suppose.

You mean your Haze line doesn't have the trait for incense, but the earlier Haze before 1995 did have a trait for incense.Purple Haze was sold in the beginning of the 90s in the shops which had a strong incense scent, much stronger than the Haze nowadays.The Haze bud i have at home is from the Haze before 1995, so i don't know what sort of Haze you did obtain at that time.Like Bigherb i'm a big fan of the incense scent.I even found the trait in Chinese, Thai genetics, so imo a trait which can be found in Asian genetics.

Namaste :)
 
btw how many packs of seeds did tomhill buy initially, when he was in the posi shop ?

;)

incense is nothing uncommon all over the world, and in my opinion its a trait which is too overated, as aromas can be easily manipulated just by the grow style, same cut different growers / different methods, result in different smells and taste, we`ve all seen that so many times already

there is this guy in holland who likes to amend his soil with lemon and orange peels - you already know the flavor .. all strains smell n taste like oranges/lemons

true , many strains will have this one base-line aroma (if i can put it into words), on which up other aromas build up, like skunk will be skunk, or kush will be kush, but beneath that base-line, there are at least 3 and much more complex aromas, which can take over that base-line, if id ask which smell has skunk, you need at least 3 different similarity pointers to express it that way, and that makes everything so interchangable and also complicated

aromas should in my opinion just be rated as a topping, if the rest (traits) suit and fit well
 
"aromas should in my opinion just be rated as a topping, if the rest (traits) suit and fit well"

well said as well as one persons interpretation of aroma is not necessarily the same as another

"it is all in the high" imho

and "arrogance will end up humbling " no matter if they are legends

or especially if...
 
i wouldnt have a clue what incense smells like so i googled it and if pine is the right answer my thai hazes remind me of a hospital (pine disinfectent), but my OHxSK#1 didnt smell like, they had a nicer sweeter smell

:)
 
It's funny people say incense as a blanket term, you can get strawberry incense, it comes in many smells I would think but could be wrong that when people think of incense it's probably more like an Arabian musk type incense but saying something smells like incense really doesn't define too much and again everyone has a different idea and burns different incense. So as a question what do you guys consider an incense smell frankincense Arabian musk etc. Personally I'd rather smoke something sweet that's why I got mango haze instead of super silver to grow this year but that's the beauty we all get to grow what we want in our gardens without having to worry if the next man likes our tastes.
 
my nh smells like nag champa incense my house smells like a nag champa incense factory its heaven .nag champa is the best incense ive smelt theres one called DOOP which is used to cut charas in india , my mate bought a kilo in india thinking it was charas it was DOOP pricey incense . peace t
 
Warding the evil away...

High brothers...

the "Church" inmho is similar to incense used in Orthodox Christian rituals... it is very unique and pure. My ex wife is Greek, and I am lucky to have found it.

Easily sourced on-line, or even just go to a ortho church and ask for some. Make a small donation and it is on.

The best incense, essential oil and chrocol, inmho is from Sudan.

Here is a abstaract if anyone is interested. They are masters in flower/bark extraction. I had a chance to visit some factories when I traveled.

MEDICINAL, CULINARY AND AROMATIC PLANTS IN THE NEAR EAST - Medicinal, and aromatic plants in Sudan

The best place to find inscense, oil or charcol is in arab or asian market. Flea markets are good places too, and can be found for reasonable prices.

I have an Uncle that is Lebanese. He prides himself on a special essential oil he has. He has one for when he is sick, another when he want to be pious, etc. Another when he needs blessings...

It helps him focus and attract or deflect particular energies... one time he paid close to $10,000 for a particular charcoal that came form a sacred ancient tree that was supposed to be linked to the Prophet Mohammed life. One day, he invited the whole family over and he blazed it for us all to inhale It lingered in our clothing and hair till we washed it out. A couple members got sick and had to leave, while most of us enjoyed, what turned out to be a magical day.

In Hz, I think essential oil and incense from bark i.e. like sandalwood, cedar, pine, teak, are close to many phenotypes we enjoy finding in our plants. Anise is also a similar base tone that I think is in Hz.

Of topic a bit but there was a movie I saw called Perfume the story of murder. It was entertaining and some great scenes about the base tones of scent, and how to extract and mix them to make perfumes... I wont give to much away, but the hz hunters will enjoy it.

Take care,

Chana
 
my nh smells like nag champa incense my house smells like a nag champa incense factory its heaven .nag champa is the best incense ive smelt theres one called DOOP which is used to cut charas in india , my mate bought a kilo in india thinking it was charas it was DOOP pricey incense . peace t

an indian friend showed me some doop he had ,
i commmented on its similarity to hash ,
he said what trouble he had getting into australia with it ,
customs>> " whats that sir"
indian guy >> "its doop"
customs >> "yes we thought it was dope"
indian guy >> "no no ,, its doop ,, not dope "

he eventually got it in the country ,, betcha hed have trouble thesedays..
 
There are three basic elements needed to make incense.

1. Herb

2. Resin

3. Wood.

Then we need to heat it, let it cure, and then light it...

Sound like something me know and love?

CM
 
For me there is only one basic element and that is Shashamene with a minty sandalwood mixture

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Namaste :)
 
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