Just over a month an over 25 thousand views ,as for the post well i dont think we can count them all as an actual post there is nonsense mixed with some interesting convo
Reguarding interesting convo ,I appreciate those who have shared there experience with Thai .I have not been postnig much becausae of work than when i have time an see this its off putting
But there are somethings that i thought were worth discussing (fukkin sad i have to scroll threw soo much senseless an lame post to find somthin of content an what i wish to mention)
Biteme
I appreciate the recognition of my location an its history of high grade.Which has been reported since the 30's if i recall correct ,Harlem was the local to be exact an i think coop might be able to touch more on that .
Matt
Thankyou for sharing those pics ,but Damn all ive seen is cuttings an clones since your first mention of it lol
Id excited an happy to know you have found a Frankie pheno from the batch ,Best wishes an keep us all posted
Jack
something that has been on my mind about this whole situation.
if sam actually knew what was used to make the haze, wouldnt he have tried to obtain the parent lines and recreate haze? maybe it isnt possible if the parents are not around anymore.
but we havent seen anything from him that is better than what nevil pulled out of his seeds, makes you think.
Ive touched on this in the past ,I dont believe he had the parents ever .I also dont think/know it wasnt possible to obtain the parent line other than via seed of G ,the stock was from import
This was mentioned earlier but becuase of the heat an who said it an my emotion at the time i didnt wan to discuss it .Now i will
I dont think its fair or valid to compare sams pure haze /originla haze with Nevilles haze .NH is a hybrid ,Sams has said to cross his haze with another line an the offspring will show somthing special that is what Nevil did .Nevil admitted his pure haze BC was not what we would exspect an Sams was right about crossing haze to haze .
You cant compare a pure sativa to a hybrid Nevil never released a pure haze an that says it all in my opinion .
Please note to all This is my home ,Im a MNS fan an consider myself Family an i do support all that has beeen done in the past an whats to come . grew out Nevilles haze as my first haez grow for many reasons one my mentions above in this paragraph
Now i have seen many reports from Respected growers at IC who've grown out thunk an Haze skunk from Sams cultivators choice an have spoke very very highly of the line .I am not taken sides there is no side to take .Im just sharing the information that is out there .
Soo in my opinion Sams haze hybrids deserve a look .Its also noted in my research that none of those Sacred seeds haze varieties from Sams are reported online or cuts /clones shared or spoke of .I imagine out of those 14 or soo haze hybrids that some survive .Id imagine they are worth more than a look .
What id love is for someone to contact zamalito an ask him about his burning bush seeds he has if he ever grew them out .I know ive heard some bad things about him but ive read some good aswell
and heres a big question.
Did nevil get Haze seeds from sam or Original Haze seeds.
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To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976
this wouldnt make sam a liar if he did in fact sell Haze seeds to nevil and not Original Haze. maybe this is sam being sneaky with the way he words things.
It is obvious haze was there before sam, whatever it is,
and it is obvious that sam created Original Haze.
and to do that he added s.indian and thai to Haze stock from whatever years.
so it does leave Haze as being just the columbian or a columbian/ mexican hybrid, doesnt it?
Jack you were on fire ,Great thoughts an post
Its my opinion that Nevil was given what you understand to be Sams original haze an not santa cruz aka haze bros original haze .It a fact in my eyes/opinion that Nevil wasnt given Santa cruz Ohaze because his line contains thai
Sams spoke of his giving the S.indian an thai stock ,i believe this was what he used to try an preserve/save the line .
Here is some great post below from a great thread hempy started at IC when i first came on the net .This is saved to my favorites from days of doin haze homework an its some of the reaserch/info that supports what ive said an contributes to how i formed my opinion .These are older folk who i believe smoked the Santa cruz haze
Also, check out this zamalito quote:
My theory is that the haze has some amazing Sri Lankan genetics mentioned by BOEL leadership that they acquired on one of their many surfing trips there. Some members of BOEL have stated that while on one of their surfing trips to the island they discovered a small cannabis growing community that produced the finest herb any of them had seen which is saying a lot. It seems likely that seeds or herb would've been brought back. I actually have doubts that there's any thai in the haze at all and there may not even be any Keralian. Sri Lanka is located in the Indian ocean between south India and Thailand and central to ancient trade routes from India, Thailand and southern Africa. I've never heard that the holyweed was bred from BOEL imports but they were running large cannabis production facilities at Big Sur during the era this strain came from.
Bluebeard
Both according to the dates that thai weed was starting to become imported, and Sam. Thai genes were a much later addition to the haze, and only added to the genepool in the last year or two the haze bros were in production, and of course in strains like sssc's burning bush. I don't personally see it in the hazes I have grown, but I obviously have a different experience than hempy. Although you cannot see any resemblance in the modern versions and more than a few will think I'm nuts for saying this but, there are some uniquely thai traits that popped up in the older northern lights samples. This might have been the source of the thai-like genes in the haze hybrids Hempy has grown, especially when some recessive recombinance starts to take hold in an Nl x Haze cross. Mant people describe the early haze plants as being colombian phenos and the longer flowering as thai phenos. However, the colombians being worked with in California at the time were every bit as long flowering as a thai and perhaps even longer than the thais they were working with. The introduction of faster flowering lines in Colombia happened a in the mid-late 70's after the haze bros ceased working with the haze. Pure Colombians are fully acclimated to the equator and are definitely among the longest flowering Sativas. There's also definitely the presence of some type of South Indian and/or Sri Lankan/Bangladeshi genes. The faster flowering phenos are possibly contributed to in part by a central Mexican or Michoacan and maybe some type of central Asian sativa such as a Nepalese, Chitrali or Kashmiri. All of these regions were sources of genes and on the hippy trail for californians at the time, but in the long run, unless you were there, anyone's guess is as good as mine.
Just to add
Bluebeard was a very knowledgeable OT i miss his post ,he asked Sams onm that thread about the sacred seeds catalog hazes an was ignored .
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