The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

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THE FUEL OF HAZE

go get a life

pound some puss, jerk off, do something man. But your a fucking joke on the internet, time to be some ole bloke and live in the real world.

should also say hempy is a bad walking testimony for shanti's haze. If you smoke it and it makes you that much of a retard maybe you should find new gear.
 
THE FUEL OF HAZE

go get a life

pound some puss, jerk off, do something man. But your a fucking joke on the internet, time to be some ole bloke and live in the real world.

should also say hempy is a bad walking testimony for shanti's haze. If you smoke it and it makes you that much of a retard maybe you should find new gear.

why dont you stop trolling me and insulting me and get a grip wanka who do you think you are honesty i have never seen any thing like you in the canna community or hope to never see a nutter like you again.

If shanti dont ban you for this then i dont now what some one needs to do in here to be removed your reported.
 
and you probably haven't seen anyone in the real community, it shows.

You where asked when i posted thread not to start your shit, yet you did.

I hope shanti grows some balls and bans both of us.
 
and you probably haven't seen anyone in the real community, it shows.

You where asked when i posted thread not to start your shit, yet you did.

I hope shanti grows some balls and bans both of us.

Coop,
Its not a matter of Shantibaba growing a set of balls, you're talking about a man that lives a pretty extreme life style. He is without question a target of every drug enforcement agency in the world, does grows so big most of us can only dream of matching just one of what he does on a routine basis.

You're talking about a guy who needs a wheelbarrow to carry his balls around in.
http://images.wikia.com/southpark/images/6/61/1403_randyWheelBarrowA.jpg

Shanti just has a vision he is attempting to see to fruition, and clearly he sticks to his guns even when the clouds roll in. That is the kind of dedication and conviction you have only exhibited in trolling hempy coop, nothing else in life you've did thus far has shown that kind of moxy. But the sad part is, you're actually attempting to force someones hand instead of just obeying their wishes. A most rude guest you have proven yourself to be.

What you have elected to do is simple Coop, this goes for the rest of your gang raping friends; you cats have elected to take the easy route in making a name for yourself at the online cannabis forums. Instead of making a legitimate name, by pushing the bar in honest and fair ways you've elected to attach yourselves like parasites to those who have indeed forged their own path.

So you've created this imaginary drama, to attach your name to those who have already established themselves in order to attempt to put yourself with that individual by means of leaching, attaching yourself to a host and feeding off of their success because you are unable, whether biologically or through some sort of mental blockage, to provide for yourself. So thus you feed off of others.

When are you going to grow up coop, become a man and stand on your own two feet instead of waiting under a bridge, like a troll, or worse....a tick, and attempting to attach yourself to the first good looking meal ticket that walks by.
 
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Hey guys,

Why don't you all go find a good psychologist and order a group session.
You may even get a discount if you let this psycho-analyst read some of yr shit here.
If that doesn't work, try to leave this board alone and go play with yr matchbox cars or yr barbie dolls.
This is an adult cannabis forum, not a wanking corner.
It's getting very boring reading poluted threads like this one.
Good luck and ALL THE BEST
YS
 
uk thai

hey Farmer g,
"'ll do my sorry best biteme.

Very dry.

Uniform mid grey green.

Few seeds. ~I tried to germ a couple but they were fairly dry and dead.

Buds not that fragrant.

Fairly distinctive smell and taste- not quite chocolate.

I've seen the same weed on occaisions over a decade in the UK and NL.

Poor weed imo, just too weak.

Maybe good to use as larf with some better weed, it's not unpleasant.

I would not say it is afghani. It is fairly mid ind/sat IMO.

I've never had the privilege of smoking the trippy Thais so I cannot tell you if this is similar.

IDK if this stuff is Thai at all but I think I know what Eggybread meant.

This weed is pretty irrelevant to this thread IMO.
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Just had a chat to my old mate,what i was trying to say was,that the compressed stuff varies,some as you describe and some thats very dark black and smells like cigars,funny you should mention the chocolate smell and the weed is a bit weak,but when you grow them out,or at least a few hundred my friend has managed to sprout,is very indica,resinous and strong,and doesn't resemble the compressed stuff at all,and some smell of chocolate in flower.
The bit i was trying to get across and did so badly was that,the seeds my friend collects are all imports to the uk,as early as the sixties,He did find plants with thai traits,but only in his early seeds,but most of his later seeds,he 90% of the time failed to find many sativa or plants with a thai style expression.so thai seeds or very similar did find their way to the uk at one time but somewhere at or near the middle 80's they are mostly indica,not all described as afghan but more shorter squat plants with a radically shorter flowering time,and he says more than anything,most seeds seem to be variations on skunk.He also says the compressed weed varies in the way it's squashed,some large 1/4inch thick and ipad sized blocks with lots of seed,some 2 inches thick and mobile phone sized with no seed.
 
Coop,

What you have elected to do is simple Coop, this goes for the rest of your gang raping friends; you cats have elected to take the easy route in making a name for yourself at the online cannabis forums. Instead of making a legitimate name, by pushing the bar in honest and fair ways you've elected to attach yourselves like parasites to those who have indeed forged their own path.

So you've created this imaginary drama, to attach your name to those who have already established themselves in order to attempt to put yourself with that individual by means of leaching, attaching yourself to a host and feeding off of their success because you are unable, whether biologically or through some sort of mental blockage, to provide for yourself. So thus you feed off of others.

I'm not saying I agree with you Jesse that coop is like this...I don't know the guy well enough to make any sort of judgement call on him, but I think you're so fucking RIGHT the fuck on when you say that there are people like this... FUCK it's all I see ALL day long. Can I use this quote the next time I see some shitbird calling me out that doesn't know me. Seriously it's so well worded and written and OVERWHELMINGLY TRUE! I actually have the perfect person to fling it at somewhere else... So with your permission can I use this quote? Im 100% not being sarcastic either..
 
I'm not saying I agree with you Jesse that coop is like this...I don't know the guy well enough to make any sort of judgement call on him, but I think you're so fucking RIGHT the fuck on when you say that there are people like this... FUCK it's all I see ALL day long. Can I use this quote the next time I see some shitbird calling me out that doesn't know me. Seriously it's so well worded and written and OVERWHELMINGLY TRUE! I actually have the perfect person to fling it at somewhere else... So with your permission can I use this quote? Im 100% not being sarcastic either..

Just use it Matt, if it's done for the good of this forum then I'm sure JessE won't mind. You don't need his permission mate, it's not exactly copyright material lol ;)

Peace
GM1
 
What you have elected to do is simple Coop, this goes for the rest of your gang raping friends; you cats have elected to take the easy route in making a name for yourself at the online cannabis forums. Instead of making a legitimate name, by pushing the bar in honest and fair ways you've elected to attach yourselves like parasites to those who have indeed forged their own path.

So you've created this imaginary drama, to attach your name to those who have already established themselves in order to attempt to put yourself with that individual by means of leaching, attaching yourself to a host and feeding off of their success because you are unable, whether biologically or through some sort of mental blockage, to provide for yourself. So thus you feed off of others.

When are you going to grow up coop, become a man and stand on your own two feet instead of waiting under a bridge, like a troll, or worse....a tick, and attempting to attach yourself to the first good looking meal ticket that walks by.

wait your the asshat that started this whole mess, when I stood up for bigherb who claimed he grew Nev's Haze. Your reasoning was that since you live in the hills and never attempted it then big herb must not of been able to as well. So all this bullshit and then just the other day here's what you say. So who's been playing games trying to make a name for themselves again? (Matty you can get a shout out too, your crackhead gangster homies too!)

I look forward to working with NH in the future, and if my experience with other haze hybrids are any indication I will not be disappointed.

So yea, you know where the bullshit started, so doesn't Shanti. And yea he needs to stop swimming and saying hey calm down, grow a set and do something about it. I'm glad you think blatant disregard for other counties laws while trying to market and promote a medical seed-bank and research forum is really what he's going for. :rolleyes:

I don't need to make a name for myself in this online world. I work in a real one, where people know my name and you don't see me bullying people for not grow 23oz under 30watts per sq foot because yea I'm too busy in the real world working with sick people helping them produce their own and providing them relief. So its pretty easy to spot more sick people online who obviously don't need to the use of cannabis.
 
wait your the asshat that started this whole mess, when I stood up for bigherb who claimed he grew Nev's Haze. Your reasoning was that since you live in the hills and never attempted it then big herb must not of been able to as well. So all this bullshit and then just the other day here's what you say. So who's been playing games trying to make a name for themselves again? (Matty you can get a shout out too, your crackhead gangster homies too!)



So yea, you know where the bullshit started, so doesn't Shanti. And yea he needs to stop swimming and saying hey calm down, grow a set and do something about it. I'm glad you think blatant disregard for other counties laws while trying to market and promote a medical seed-bank and research forum is really what he's going for. :rolleyes:

I don't need to make a name for myself in this online world. I work in a real one, where people know my name and you don't see me bullying people for not grow 23oz under 30watts per sq foot because yea I'm too busy in the real world working with sick people helping them produce their own and providing them relief. So its pretty easy to spot more sick people online who obviously don't need to the use of cannabis.

You cant keep blaming people for your own actions when are you going to wake up and stop pulling this crap.

You also act as if you know me well smart ass you dont or ever will i to am a medical user and have been since 87 and i to help other med uses and have for years for free but i dont sit here and brag about it or do i care to because you help people because you want to.

You keep insulting people and attacking them and then cry the victim that shits become old i personally dont want to see any one banned from here but at the end of the day this site and the sites mantra is and always will be more important than any one or any group posting in here and you need to relies that along with your buddy's.

Big posted what can only be called a fairy tale it was published and he opened him self up to public scrutiny and criticism sorry like it or not haze is important to a lot of growers and the real information around it matters to many so if people get upset at a bunch of lies being printed as fact then i am sorry to inform you thats just life.

You and a few others need to stop trolling people and stop insulting people and stop baiting people in the hope of starting drama and get back to growing and discussing cannabis ow and be willing to take other peoples vues and comments if not dont post.
 
Just over a month an over 25 thousand views ,as for the post well i dont think we can count them all as an actual post there is nonsense mixed with some interesting convo

Reguarding interesting convo ,I appreciate those who have shared there experience with Thai .I have not been postnig much becausae of work than when i have time an see this its off putting

But there are somethings that i thought were worth discussing (fukkin sad i have to scroll threw soo much senseless an lame post to find somthin of content an what i wish to mention)

Biteme


I appreciate the recognition of my location an its history of high grade.Which has been reported since the 30's if i recall correct ,Harlem was the local to be exact an i think coop might be able to touch more on that .



Matt

Thankyou for sharing those pics ,but Damn all ive seen is cuttings an clones since your first mention of it lol

Id excited an happy to know you have found a Frankie pheno from the batch ,Best wishes an keep us all posted



Jack

something that has been on my mind about this whole situation.

if sam actually knew what was used to make the haze, wouldnt he have tried to obtain the parent lines and recreate haze? maybe it isnt possible if the parents are not around anymore.
but we havent seen anything from him that is better than what nevil pulled out of his seeds, makes you think.


Ive touched on this in the past ,I dont believe he had the parents ever .I also dont think/know it wasnt possible to obtain the parent line other than via seed of G ,the stock was from import


This was mentioned earlier but becuase of the heat an who said it an my emotion at the time i didnt wan to discuss it .Now i will

I dont think its fair or valid to compare sams pure haze /originla haze with Nevilles haze .NH is a hybrid ,Sams has said to cross his haze with another line an the offspring will show somthing special that is what Nevil did .Nevil admitted his pure haze BC was not what we would exspect an Sams was right about crossing haze to haze .

You cant compare a pure sativa to a hybrid Nevil never released a pure haze an that says it all in my opinion .

Please note to all This is my home ,Im a MNS fan an consider myself Family an i do support all that has beeen done in the past an whats to come . grew out Nevilles haze as my first haez grow for many reasons one my mentions above in this paragraph

Now i have seen many reports from Respected growers at IC who've grown out thunk an Haze skunk from Sams cultivators choice an have spoke very very highly of the line .I am not taken sides there is no side to take .Im just sharing the information that is out there .

Soo in my opinion Sams haze hybrids deserve a look .Its also noted in my research that none of those Sacred seeds haze varieties from Sams are reported online or cuts /clones shared or spoke of .I imagine out of those 14 or soo haze hybrids that some survive .Id imagine they are worth more than a look .

What id love is for someone to contact zamalito an ask him about his burning bush seeds he has if he ever grew them out .I know ive heard some bad things about him but ive read some good aswell


and heres a big question.

Did nevil get Haze seeds from sam or Original Haze seeds.


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To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976

this wouldnt make sam a liar if he did in fact sell Haze seeds to nevil and not Original Haze. maybe this is sam being sneaky with the way he words things.

It is obvious haze was there before sam, whatever it is,
and it is obvious that sam created Original Haze.
and to do that he added s.indian and thai to Haze stock from whatever years.

so it does leave Haze as being just the columbian or a columbian/ mexican hybrid, doesnt it?


Jack you were on fire ,Great thoughts an post


Its my opinion that Nevil was given what you understand to be Sams original haze an not santa cruz aka haze bros original haze .It a fact in my eyes/opinion that Nevil wasnt given Santa cruz Ohaze because his line contains thai


Sams spoke of his giving the S.indian an thai stock ,i believe this was what he used to try an preserve/save the line .


Here is some great post below from a great thread hempy started at IC when i first came on the net .This is saved to my favorites from days of doin haze homework an its some of the reaserch/info that supports what ive said an contributes to how i formed my opinion .These are older folk who i believe smoked the Santa cruz haze


Also, check out this zamalito quote:
My theory is that the haze has some amazing Sri Lankan genetics mentioned by BOEL leadership that they acquired on one of their many surfing trips there. Some members of BOEL have stated that while on one of their surfing trips to the island they discovered a small cannabis growing community that produced the finest herb any of them had seen which is saying a lot. It seems likely that seeds or herb would've been brought back. I actually have doubts that there's any thai in the haze at all and there may not even be any Keralian. Sri Lanka is located in the Indian ocean between south India and Thailand and central to ancient trade routes from India, Thailand and southern Africa. I've never heard that the holyweed was bred from BOEL imports but they were running large cannabis production facilities at Big Sur during the era this strain came from.


Bluebeard

Both according to the dates that thai weed was starting to become imported, and Sam. Thai genes were a much later addition to the haze, and only added to the genepool in the last year or two the haze bros were in production, and of course in strains like sssc's burning bush. I don't personally see it in the hazes I have grown, but I obviously have a different experience than hempy. Although you cannot see any resemblance in the modern versions and more than a few will think I'm nuts for saying this but, there are some uniquely thai traits that popped up in the older northern lights samples. This might have been the source of the thai-like genes in the haze hybrids Hempy has grown, especially when some recessive recombinance starts to take hold in an Nl x Haze cross. Mant people describe the early haze plants as being colombian phenos and the longer flowering as thai phenos. However, the colombians being worked with in California at the time were every bit as long flowering as a thai and perhaps even longer than the thais they were working with. The introduction of faster flowering lines in Colombia happened a in the mid-late 70's after the haze bros ceased working with the haze. Pure Colombians are fully acclimated to the equator and are definitely among the longest flowering Sativas. There's also definitely the presence of some type of South Indian and/or Sri Lankan/Bangladeshi genes. The faster flowering phenos are possibly contributed to in part by a central Mexican or Michoacan and maybe some type of central Asian sativa such as a Nepalese, Chitrali or Kashmiri. All of these regions were sources of genes and on the hippy trail for californians at the time, but in the long run, unless you were there, anyone's guess is as good as mine.

Just to add

Bluebeard was a very knowledgeable OT i miss his post ,he asked Sams onm that thread about the sacred seeds catalog hazes an was ignored .



1luvbigherb
 
You know big i only read the first paragraph of your post above and in all honesty you are acting like a spoilt brat that only wants it his way.

You and many others in this post react and abuse people threaten them and conduct your selfs in a manner that is embarrassing for most stoners reading threw these threads if truth be told.

The reality is big you and a lot of your buddy's only listen to people you want to listen to or only take information you lot feel is worthy or helpful to your argument and or your article and screw the truth well sorry the facts matter more than you me or any one posting in any site.

Sam has lied and has changed his story on haze on how Neville got his haze from him more than once his lost any credibility he once had in my eyes and many peoples eyes right threw the cannabis community.

You used Sam or more Sam used you to yet again lie and the truth is steering you and every one in the face yet your all refusing to see it why.

You think to highly of your self big you have never done a grow post or have you ever posted a plant you have grown your excuses for not doing ether is security yet you publish an article and claim to grow well hate to brake it to you but if security was your priority you wouldn't be publishing an article and claiming to be a haze expert or would you be posting on line.

Big you harass people for grow info smoke reports and plant smells as a grower i find your requests from growers very odd behavior as do others but okay i will say you show interest but add the rest of your behavior from making threats to firstly saying Sam is not credible to then saying Sam is credible to use him to validate your article is unprofessional as a journalist and as a person seen as erratic behavior.

You used a guy on the phone to get your story who i believe was Sam and then you used Sam who you sed was not credible to back your story and you expected what ? The red carpet VIP treatment from stoners that are passionate about what they grow and the real history of what they grow p[lease that was wishful thinking on your part to think the canna worlds full of retards.

You took what ever you wanted from Sam and Neville and left the r4est you didn't want to right a fairytale story that i am sure has an agenda behind it.

The reality big is no one knows what haze is so they dont know what lines went into creating it and the only validated history relating to haze is from the period of history Sam and Neville both germinated haze seed and then created haze hybrids thats it in short and you should of written a article on that and you would of saved your self a big headache and the rest of us along with you plenty of grief.


So when are you going to do a grow thread big i for one am really looking forward to this day and would also love to see others who also romp threw this site acting like its there site to do as they like also do a grow thread.
 
Hempy,

Go ask SB what he considers Aussie Haze AKA Mullum. Its a columbian x Thai.

Your not doubting SB's judgement are you?

Ask SB and Nevil about the fame you seek. I bet its not all its cracked up to be besides the paychecks.

IBF
 
Bigherb gets whooped by his uncle for lieing to the canna community.

FaceBook Gangster gets whooped by his uncle - YouTube

truth hurts dont it big.

hempy ,, why not just let the man have his thread ,
everyone has asked and pleaded that you do ,
its very very plain you dont agree ,
and very appararent you are just trolling now ,
youve said yourself everyone should focus more on growing ,,
heed your own advice please
and let the folks have their yarn in peace ...
 
hempy ,, why not just let the man have his thread ,
everyone has asked and pleaded that you do ,
its very very plain you dont agree ,
and very appararent you are just trolling now ,
youve said yourself everyone should focus more on growing ,,
heed your own advice please
and let the folks have their yarn in peace ...

Donald, why dont you allow hempy to post as he pleases and go back to your own thread?

It seems to me you rarely pass an opportunity up to attempt to lecture hempy, a bitch move if I do say so myself. I can site two dozen examples of you trolling hempy, would you like me to do so?

You play the "like" and "karma" game well Wally. You always have, since the days of CW. Just take a good look at your profile, you're likely the biggest "like" whore on the website. You actively look for threads to drop in and leave some passive aggressive posts meant to get likes from others like some kind of snake in the grass.

Im personally tired of logging onto this forum each morning, seeing you and others trolling and pointing the finger at those you're trolling. You've even threatened physical violence on hempy Wally, however I can assure you that after getting a good look at you in Gypsys Jamaica video that hempy would roll you up and smoke you like cloves.

Now run along before you piss me off Wally, because Ive grown tired of your shit which has went on for far too long.
 
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