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coop
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check that link i posted. There is also another paper i will dig up that tests for terpines in various stocks. They can determine the area of origin due to certain terpinoids that are only produced in certain landraces.
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check that link i posted. There is also another paper i will dig up that tests for terpines in various stocks. They can determine the area of origin due to certain terpinoids that are only produced in certain landraces.
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coop
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I sometimes wonder what regions were once home to say sativa or indica that over time changed and the other became the dominant, or maybe the only type.
I read about an archeological dig in Afghanistan where the oldest found artifacts to date (at the time of the dig anyway) were found. They found traces of matter in like pottery and things and did DNA tests and it was cannabis and it was a sativa, and not as in hemp, but there were no traces of indica found.
The researchers theorized that at some point in time only, or almost only, just sativas populated the region but possibly through a climate change or even a more northward shift of the continent putting it just a bit farther north than the sativas could survive in ended that and at more or less the same time indicas that likely came from China but possibly from elsewhere spread and took over the region and remain until today.
If so I wonder if at some very deep genetic level if there isn't some sativa in the indica of the area because as the sativa died out I would doubt it totally occurred before indicas moved in and there could have been some natural cross-breeding and possibly some of those survived until today, and while categorized as pure indicas might have an ever so tiny bit of sativa genetics deep in their genetic coding somewhere.
Unless an area were totally geographically isolated where there was no chance of any natural crossing occurring there is a chance that when some strains were later discovered and believed to be totally pure they were not really totally pure. It had been more than long enough for them to become fully stable and give every appearance of being pure, but they might have had mixed genetics and without the ability to decode a full genetic chain no one would ever have guessed they were a very old natural cross.
I read about an archeological dig in Afghanistan where the oldest found artifacts to date (at the time of the dig anyway) were found. They found traces of matter in like pottery and things and did DNA tests and it was cannabis and it was a sativa, and not as in hemp, but there were no traces of indica found.
The researchers theorized that at some point in time only, or almost only, just sativas populated the region but possibly through a climate change or even a more northward shift of the continent putting it just a bit farther north than the sativas could survive in ended that and at more or less the same time indicas that likely came from China but possibly from elsewhere spread and took over the region and remain until today.
If so I wonder if at some very deep genetic level if there isn't some sativa in the indica of the area because as the sativa died out I would doubt it totally occurred before indicas moved in and there could have been some natural cross-breeding and possibly some of those survived until today, and while categorized as pure indicas might have an ever so tiny bit of sativa genetics deep in their genetic coding somewhere.
Unless an area were totally geographically isolated where there was no chance of any natural crossing occurring there is a chance that when some strains were later discovered and believed to be totally pure they were not really totally pure. It had been more than long enough for them to become fully stable and give every appearance of being pure, but they might have had mixed genetics and without the ability to decode a full genetic chain no one would ever have guessed they were a very old natural cross.
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coop
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Donald Mallard
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Had t hey originated in different areas , then its possible a cross of the 2 types may not be likely ??
so its more likely they are the same ,, just seperated by geography , most likely influenced by man ??
perhaps even a summer , winter crop ?? or at least used at different times for different purpose , and eventually seperated by the qualities within the variety ..
there are indica types that give a sativa high , and visa versa
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coop
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the weather of the area traditionally dictated what type of product they smoked. Most likely due to what type of plants you could grow.
But the drier higher altitude areas are traditionally hash making/smoking cultures and the southern more humid areas smoked buds. Selection alone for those qualities would create diverging lines in only a few generations.
But the drier higher altitude areas are traditionally hash making/smoking cultures and the southern more humid areas smoked buds. Selection alone for those qualities would create diverging lines in only a few generations.
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Almost anything is possible. When trying to guess and connect the dots of a totally or nearly totally undocumented past that it comes down to is degree of probability.
Man could be an influencing factor, but then so could animals, in particular birds. That is why I pointed out how some areas are, or were, totally geographically isolated and that far back in time neither man nor animals could have been a factor, but in other areas, both are possibilities. But then the farther back in time you would do it would seem probable that man would become less and less of a factor and animals and possibly conditional changes would become the primary possible factors of influence.
I do not recall how far back in time the archeological dig I read about had gone, but unless evidence was found, which was not mentioned in what I read, one could only assume that when it came to cannabis that at that point in time, and in that region, any people were attempting to breed it, either as in pure strains or crosses, or were even growing it as a crop as opposed to just walking the countryside picking what was found that grew naturally.
While it is only my opinion, I feel that trying to recreate the history of cannabis is somewhat like putting together a jigsaw puzzle with enough pieces missing that when all the pieces you have are put together correctly it will still not be enough for a clear picture to be seen and only guesswork will be able to be relied on to fill in the missing pieces.
Just consider the inability of people to agree on the true origins of Haze, and that was not all that far back in time, not before people alive today would have been around to be able to have some chance of knowing for sure. So imagine the difficulties in correctly connecting the dots from a thousand or two thousand or three thousand or whatever number of years back would be like.
Traces of something found in a region may have originated there or been brought by a traveler or even an army passing through on it's way to ransack some other region, or by nomadic people who brought something with them as they passed through or possibly due to other reasons.
I am sure that in some cases some possibilities can be eliminated, or at least be shown to be of very low probability. But in other cases, at least at this point in time, it could come down to an assumption, to little more than a mental coin toss.
shantibaba
Breeder and moderator
Hi All
well i have been monitoring this thread closely and if i had to begin suspensions I would put Hempy, Bob B, and Big Herb on due to swearing and insults. So there are 3 or 4 more borderline cases for suspensions also.
Since things in the last 4 pages seem to be getting back to civility I will leave this post up as a last warning.
As there seems to be a few members who wish me to suspend, I will from now on. But just like a heated arguement, things get said and after a little time people see their folly. I prefer water to find its own level as well as it bores me t arbitrate on opinions of a story! The truth is relative to the eyes it is been viewed from...rather than get angry with different sides, why not learn there are other opinions.
Personally I think many of you have way too much time on your hands to even worry about historic references that can never be verified properly as the instigators also had their truths as they saw it...and even back then it was different as it is today. So rather than argue about unverifiable facts, why not grow some seeds and post the pictures so we can see what all this Hazy mess is all about?
Enjoy the weekend and try to see differences as a gift rather than anything else.All the best Sb
well i have been monitoring this thread closely and if i had to begin suspensions I would put Hempy, Bob B, and Big Herb on due to swearing and insults. So there are 3 or 4 more borderline cases for suspensions also.
Since things in the last 4 pages seem to be getting back to civility I will leave this post up as a last warning.
As there seems to be a few members who wish me to suspend, I will from now on. But just like a heated arguement, things get said and after a little time people see their folly. I prefer water to find its own level as well as it bores me t arbitrate on opinions of a story! The truth is relative to the eyes it is been viewed from...rather than get angry with different sides, why not learn there are other opinions.
Personally I think many of you have way too much time on your hands to even worry about historic references that can never be verified properly as the instigators also had their truths as they saw it...and even back then it was different as it is today. So rather than argue about unverifiable facts, why not grow some seeds and post the pictures so we can see what all this Hazy mess is all about?
Enjoy the weekend and try to see differences as a gift rather than anything else.All the best Sb
b0b_b1tch1n
Banned
WOW
there wouldnt be any swearing or tempers flaring if the trolls/instigators would of been delt with as they should have been (banned) and in a timely matter
im done , c ya all somewhere some time
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coop
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just remember marketing bob.
b0b_b1tch1n
Banned
i hear what shanti is saying,
butttttt....
If haze wasnt such a hyped strain there wouldnt be so much controversy surrounding it.
i feel that the random misinformation, and confusing stories sam has put out about haze has made it into the beast it is today.
its great smoke, and started to get popular in california.
its a sativa. and its legendary.
the genes are still in the public domain, and they have been used in many crosses that has wowed the cannabis scene for years since its inception.
end of story? hahahaha.
butttttt....
If haze wasnt such a hyped strain there wouldnt be so much controversy surrounding it.
i feel that the random misinformation, and confusing stories sam has put out about haze has made it into the beast it is today.
its great smoke, and started to get popular in california.
its a sativa. and its legendary.
the genes are still in the public domain, and they have been used in many crosses that has wowed the cannabis scene for years since its inception.
end of story? hahahaha.
Elmer Bud
Banned
G`day Mani
!st pic has Mango Widow x SSH , MW x AHT [2 phenos] and a NVL`s Hz x MHz at the rear . 2nd pic in front of the "louvres" is Scoop`s Hz [ C99/Deep Chunk x NVL`s HZ / MHz] .
She won BOTM for October .Grown 12/12 from seed finished @ 70 days . I sampled her over the last cpl of days . Very potent and with a character of its own .
Once again cheers to Coop and Green Man for helpin make it happen .
Thanks for sharin
Elmer Bud .
!st pic has Mango Widow x SSH , MW x AHT [2 phenos] and a NVL`s Hz x MHz at the rear . 2nd pic in front of the "louvres" is Scoop`s Hz [ C99/Deep Chunk x NVL`s HZ / MHz] .
She won BOTM for October .Grown 12/12 from seed finished @ 70 days . I sampled her over the last cpl of days . Very potent and with a character of its own .
Once again cheers to Coop and Green Man for helpin make it happen .
Thanks for sharin
Elmer Bud .
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cheesefucker
Guest
Great looking plant their Elmer, do you grow all your plants in those size containers or was it just a one of. The yeild looked great
Elmer Bud
Banned
G`day CF
The little pots were just for that run .
I had a security scare involving a hovering chopper ,that caused a change of plans ...
Was planning on about 20 plants in 10 litre Hempy`s . Well after bringing in the 30 or so plants that the chopper buzzed I realised I couldn`t fit 50 Hempy Buckets so the Elmer Bottle was born . lol .
Yes I was impressed with the health and yield of this round in the teeny pots . One thing though I had to keep the pots wet and the trays underneath full otherwise the plants toppled from being top heavy . This was a ghetto crop . With 2 ltr milk bottles and plastic picnic plates used as trays . Worked surprisingly well . Especially considering the Coop`s Hz won BOTM ! he he .
Thanks for sharin
Elmer Bud .
The little pots were just for that run .
I had a security scare involving a hovering chopper ,that caused a change of plans ...
Was planning on about 20 plants in 10 litre Hempy`s . Well after bringing in the 30 or so plants that the chopper buzzed I realised I couldn`t fit 50 Hempy Buckets so the Elmer Bottle was born . lol .
Yes I was impressed with the health and yield of this round in the teeny pots . One thing though I had to keep the pots wet and the trays underneath full otherwise the plants toppled from being top heavy . This was a ghetto crop . With 2 ltr milk bottles and plastic picnic plates used as trays . Worked surprisingly well . Especially considering the Coop`s Hz won BOTM ! he he .
Thanks for sharin
Elmer Bud .
orangutang
New member
You should ask reef, he's a member here, PM him.
The idea bigherb knows anything about haze makes me laugh and laugh and laugh...
The idea bigherb knows anything about haze makes me laugh and laugh and laugh...
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