The Great Cheese Deception

[wonkadonk]

On and on, it just don't stop
Cuttin' down the cheese, like it's some bunk ass crop

The guy can't help it, it's the way he's wired
One of these days he's gotta get tired

The Cheese is good, the Cheese is fine
Makes me feel better, but it don't blow my mind

 

[hempy]

hempy,

i have tried to be as clear and concise with my posting, i even gave you examples of your Thai, Colombian, Jamaican being regarded as commercial weeds, selling for cheap commercial prices and still being grown in their country of origin, i gave you a clear example of why European growers would not grow Thai weed, it sells too cheaply on the menu's in Amsterdam and commercial growers aren't stupid, why do you think they are growing weed hempy? its for money mate, so you think a commercial grower will turn his nose up at 100,000 euro for half the flowering times that it would take for a crop that he could sell for 20,000 euro, never in a million years and you're clutching at straws,

bush weed is seeded, that how you got it hempy, otherwise you'd have no seed to work with, so the lines either self seed or cross pollinate without selection, for an outdoor grower in Europe that is the last thing you'd want, especially if you are growing other varieties as many others do, every example of bushweed on the menu's in dam is seeded, if you buy bushweed in the country of origin it will be seeded, i've friends that have been in Thailand for decades, i've lived there myself, sometimes there's more seeds than others but the commercial weed is always seeded

I am not clutching at straws here your the one telling me that nothing has changed in Thailand JAMAICA Columbia and so on correct ? rember if not read back i sed that the commercial cannabis of old is not the same strains of today being offered and that is a the truth there is no Thia or columbine or Jamaican being offered in there old markets is there maybe in house they are still offered but not in there old markets they have been replaced by fast dutch lines even in the country's were sativas special sativas once grew you now see dutch lines growing and that's a fact.

Yes we found seed in the imported cannabis of old and that was ow seed bank back then but lots of it was seedless to so dont try and tell me bush weed is full of seed its not and in a big plantation its not hard to miss a male before it lets a little pollen go is it before its pulled and a little pollen can go a long way.

see what you base a lot of you assumptions on is third hand knowledge hempy, i've been to these regions, i've witnessed it myself, i'm explaining with clear logic as to why what you are suggesting is highly unlikely and improbable but you still fail to acknowledge it, Spain is a large country hempy, but the area i stayed in is one of the most prominent canna areas with some of the best farmers in Spain with some of the best growing conditions and open spaces, a lot of Spain isn't like that

commercial grows are still happening in big numbers hempy, you don't know about them that's all, if you did they'd get bust and that's probably the only time you do hear about them

Well i do hear of large crops here and yes they are happening here still to but do i know any that are its not important is it if i do or dont what matters is this if they are most would be running dutch type lines to get a better price because a lot of the older lines dont have bag appeal something you are not taking into the equation here how do i know this well i do not telling you any more on that and the speed of flower also is a big deal.

You think that Thia grown in Thailand can be smuggled into Amsterdam and then be sold for cheep is what your trying to tell me right ?.

It dont make seance does it if it was going to be exported to commercial markets why is it not being exported to Australia to and the last we saw it was around 87 but its still being taken all the way across to Amsterdam were its then sold for cheep on there menus yes it makes perfect seance to take it to Europe.

you have got all defensive with the possible connection between you and a commercial grower, why is that hempy? you don't care who you label as a commercial grower, it seems to be anyone that grows 4 plants of sk#1 or cheese is a commercial grower in your eyes and that's the point i've been trying to make to you, you are offensive with your generalizations and there's no need mate, you don't like it being implied that you are a commercial grower just because you grow a certain strain so why not treat others as you wish to be treated and stop with the generalizations, assumptions and accusations

A commercial grower is some one or some that grow for market and i have no problem with people that do it i am glad there doing it to be honest and a personal grower is some one that grows for person why are you labeling me here and accusing me of something i have not done or even sed champa and the generalizations are coming from you and your out of line here not me.

global markets are still working hempy, things are more difficult with customs but they are still working, a lot of the bush weed that used to hit the uk and other parts isn't as in demand anymore, if a young smoker/grower had the choice between a bag of unseeded white widow or some seeded bush import they would take the unseeded bud 9/10 therefore the weed goes to other shores, you'll find a lot of it is split up and arrives on the islands in the med among other countries, it's easier to sell to tourist holiday makers than it is to sell to locals...again this weed isn't grown in Europe, commercial growers wouldn't waste time growing bushweed when they can grow quicker varieties for bigger profits

Really the Mediterranean are getting loads of Thia Jamaican ? I would believe that loads are coming from Afghanistan or African or Greece from create and Albania turkey Syria i dont think you realize just how much is grown in Albania or Greece let alone what would come from Africa.

Were do you think most of the European coke lands from south America ? and there is all ready lots growing in Spain Greece Albania and i bet the old Eastern block country's to so agine why would they transport seedy shit weed as you sed it is from Thailand it just does not make sense dose it.

You guys are amazing your trying to portray cheese sk1 as amazing cannabis well i hate to be the one braking this to you and shattering your dilutions but its nothing but commercial grade cannabis yes commercial grade cannabis of the modern area nothing more its not even like what the early SK was like.

And champa the Thia we got here seldom had seed the Thia sticks of old and the imported Thia in brick form had no seed if you did find some you were lucky as the plants that grew from the few seed found were as special as the lots they came from.

 

[coop]

Seems people are getting a bit confused.

Skunk #1
and California Skunk

are two entirely different animals.

California Skunk comes from many different sources, and with many different pedigrees, and they smell like a dead skunk (hence their name). Most of them are predominantly Indica.

Skunk #1, all comes from the same source, Sam S, it was made famous by the Seedbank, and is a very diverse, predominantly sativa polyhybrid, and does not smell like a dead skunk for the most part, usually it has a very sweet candy type of smell which is in many cases, overwhelming.


So for those of you who do don't seem to get it, When people say Sk1, they are referring to the specific strain Skunk #1, which is now many sub strains from the same source(ie cheese), and not anything else.

Hempy is right, Skunk 1's application and use is primarily commercial, And it has dominated the commercial indoor grow scene in its many different forms for decades. Anyone who does not know this needs to take dope 101, because this shit is beyond basic.

So whats the point of Cali Skunk again.
We all know Sam took an Skunk Afghan cross and hit up a Colombo Gold female to make Skunk1.
How does this make it commercial, and what everyone grows in the states again?

Skunk#1 is an Inbred Line, that is all. I would have suspected you to come up with that being the breeder and all.

 

[british_hempire]

Skunk #1 isn't skunk/afghan x colombian

It's supposed to be an Acapulco Gold female pollinated by an f2 Afghan/Colombian male.

That's what Sam told me at least.

 

[kashrocks]

Nowadays Sk#1 is merely a building block among others to create new hybrids and sub-species...

Peace.

K.

 

[joshuahazen]

So whats the point of Cali Skunk again.
We all know Sam took an Skunk Afghan cross and hit up a Colombo Gold female to make Skunk1.
How does this make it commercial, and what everyone grows in the states again?

Skunk#1 is an Inbred Line, that is all. I would have suspected you to come up with that being the breeder and all.

I said it has dominated the commercial scene for decades. In other words, commercial growers have been utilizing skunk#1 and its hybrids for decades for commercial grows. SSH is a shining example, of how skunk#1 has commercial application, even with hazes. But this thread is about Cheese, so for those of you who don't seem to get it, SSH is distantly related to the Cheese through SK1.





PS: For those of you who seem to think that commercial is synonymous with poor quality you can think again. A commercial grower has different considerations then the dude growing for his personal head. Most commercial growers would take a fast budding high yielding VS over a low yielding long flowering XO, any day, whereas the private grower might go for the XO because he doesn't have to worry about bringing home the bacon. For example, go to the coffeeshops in Amsterdam, get yourself 1 gram of SSH, and try to smoke the whole thing all by yourself in one sitting, then come back here and try to tell me that commercial grade weed is low quality. Sure thing...

 

[Donald Mallard]

So what the heck is that thai in the amsterdam coffee shops and where was that grown one wonders ...

imho first hand experience beats the hell out of hearsay everytime ,
yet we still argue ...

 

[spiritualyEnhanced]

im sorry to have said it like i did. i only know 1 skunk.
its called skunk. or as my parents pased it down to me black afghani.
here is a picture.

i forget about the dutch stable line that IS commercial.

I have a cheese line meaning skunk wich was bred for a more sweeter sent of skunk. but that had old thai crossed to it.and that is where the combonation makes cheese. once again my opinion. from my work.
I then have the same line stable with a diffrent sent; dead animal on the side of the road make you puke eye's water skunk.

so I forget how shit changes names like it changes rooms.my bad

and all the foriegn lands we have mentioned....unfortunetly it has changed geneticly.... cause all orginized crime in the hay day needed it to finish faster.
you must have old genetics untainted to achieve imediate succes other wise you all will have the same thing as every one else.
collect ...collect....and collect some more. make good choices in your strains and keep the diversity maintained otherwise its tragic.

 

[spiritualyEnhanced]

here are the pictures
having trouble uploading???/
1st one is a roadkill sented black afghan x colombian skunk sented pheno.

second one is same genetics but a few genrations in a different direction of breeding.

other is a little more and a little mor ask i will tell if any one is intrested.

 

[jack hairy]

i like the color in those stems.
tell us more, tell us more

 

[spiritualyEnhanced]

well old (skunkx black afghani) x old colombian is the one on the bottom

but i am now aware it is skunk with out the number#1one; lol

now i say this through all the grows I have done with theese genetics and identifying them on structure hight , width ,sent ,high root structure, and type of growth the flowers produce. As well as what i got from mommy and daddy's dresser top draw from a long long time ago knowing what it was...

 

[wonkadonk]

I don't think skunk was ever really all that stable. People took it off in all directions and many that inbred it in different places ended up with very different plants after a few generations. Those that bred it for yield got it, but usually at expense of smell and quality. Those that wanted that stank got it.

I guess my point is Skunk #1 is a lot of different things at this point.
There is some very fine skunk out there imo.

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

I wish I had a scanner. Here's an older pic (1988??) I found while going through some boxes recently.

These plants came from some skunk bag seed that I was lucky enough to find in the late 80's. I literally grew in a closet back then. 250W HPS lighting, perlite and vermiculite mix in five gallon buckets with a bunch of holes punched in the bottom and sides. GH 3 part for nutes.

You could smell those plants from the street even with all the windows closed and I didn't care. I was going to grow my weed!

Ah, to be young and dumb again! (sniff)

HB.

P.S. Yes, that is aluminum foil on the walls.

 

[buffoonman]

Loving the Cheese x Nl prefering it to the original Cheese at the moment.

 

[mr cheese]

hempy/rambo you were first trying to get your point across that cheese is nothing more than sk1 which people agreed with, it was a certain pheno of sk1 which got a nickname cheese but it was a sk1, but now your saying m8 its cheese sk1 commercial cannabis, hempy you aint even smoked the cheese pheno of sk1, i can assure you if it was a commercial strain it would not be sold for top money in the amsterdam coffeeshops, and were talking about the cheese pheno of sk1 hempy, and tbh commercial growers would rather grow anything but cheese as it stinks so bad, they would rather get a crop in and out, no fucking about, but they would be taking some fucking chance hempy growing a room full of cheese, they want to get a crop down hempy without any worrys, growing a room full of cheese or a commercial grow of cheese would be jailbait, they know this as well hempy, thats why they dont do it, its a very popular strain ( cheese ) but i would not say it was a commercial strain, need balls of steel and your head look at to be doing a commercial grow of cheese hempy, and its cheese this thread is about, a certain pheno of sk#1 .

as i said before, take the war paint off rambo lol, you dont do yourself any favors hempy as its not like you were saying at the start of this thread its a commercial strain, just added that part in once every1 agreed that it was a certain pheno of sk#1 , hempy the fire starter

haha well iv done it, 90 light warehouse with 1500 odd cheese, ran it for a year and still here to tell the tale! lol.. did have 18 10inc fan n filters tho!!! lol

anyone who slags cheese off obviously hasnt tried it, yer theirs better highs to be had but cheese is the only strain that turns out quality no matter how badly it was grown..

another thing, cheese doesnt need a 4 week cure just to bring out the smell and taste like so many strains do.. you can smoke cheese litraly 4 days after chopping and still smokes ok.. give it 10 days and its AA grade, no cure needed at all.. , you name me one other strain that does that!

cheese all day everyday! lol

 

[tricky]

well in a few weeks or so i will be running the suicide cheese and 1 exo cheese just to see the diff is and which 1 is better !

 

[Pistol Pete]

haha well iv done it, 90 light warehouse with 1500 odd cheese, ran it for a year and still here to tell the tale! lol.. did have 18 10inc fan n filters tho!!! lol

anyone who slags cheese off obviously hasnt tried it, yer theirs better highs to be had but cheese is the only strain that turns out quality no matter how badly it was grown..

another thing, cheese doesnt need a 4 week cure just to bring out the smell and taste like so many strains do.. you can smoke cheese litraly 4 days after chopping and still smokes ok.. give it 10 days and its AA grade, no cure needed at all.. , you name me one other strain that does that!

cheese all day everyday! lol

Wot A Cock !

 

[nobody]

Now Now Peter,that isnt the green eyed monster i hear talkin is it?

cos im sure jealous!Most i ran in one room was 9 x 600's and that was some work come trim time,i dont evevn wanna know what your blisters look like when you croppin up 90 lights worth lol

 

[biteme]

please mr. nobody, his fingers have no blisters cause anyone with those kind of lights also has a twister to handle end results. i only have two 1000w units and admit to a modest whimper about scissor work once in awhile. peace-biteme

 

[pindulinka]

WOW, 53 pages of cheese argumentation while I was gone..
You guys rock! There really is something to be said about the last word eh
P.