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let's not get on the case of f1 hybrids either.

This sensationalism is laughable, some science about fem seeds would be nice, but the little fact that if you cross them to a dioecious male and you get back regular sex values of the plant would have been sufficient.

And how this a problem with varieties that where created 30+ years ago and have been serverly inbred to create stable breeding lines?


again it comes down to buying seeds off hack breeders not buying fem seeds or the like.
 
Hi all,
Below is a little bit more information surrounding the patenting of Cannabis. One of my main concerns is this, which particular line of cannabis did they use to lay down a patent on Cannabinoids?

When I was at the Patients Out of Time Medical Cannabis conference in Asilomar this last April, I overheard a remark that startled me: "The US Government has a patent on cannabis." I couldn't locate the person who made the comment, so I went home and did some online research. Sure enough, patent number 6,630,507 states unequivocally that cannabinoids are useful in the prevention and treatment of a wide variety of diseases including auto-immune disorders, stroke, trauma, Parkinson's, Alzeheimer's and HIV dementia. The patent, awarded in 2003, is based on research done by the National Institute of Health, and is assigned to the US Dept. of Health and Human Services. So, why is this important? Here is a legal document, in the public domain, which flies in the face of the US Government's stated position with regard to the classification of cannabis as a Schedule I substance having no "currently accepted medical use". Believe me, citing this patent stops the "medical marijuana is a myth" advocates dead in their tracks.
The Significance of US Govt Cannabinoid Patent 6,630,507 | StoptheDrugWar.org

GW Pharmaceuticals received an IND approval to commence phase II clinical trials in Canada in patients with chronic pain, multiple sclerosis and spinal cord injury in 2002. Following meetings with the US FDA, Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), the Office for National Drug Control Policy, and National Institute for Drug Abuse, GW was granted an import license from the DEA and has imported its first cannabis extracts into the US. Preclinical research with these extracts in the US is ongoing.
Cannabis-based medicines--GW pharmaceuticals: high... [Drugs R D. 2003] - PubMed result



Plant growth and gland isolation
Seeds from the marijuana cultivar Skunk no. 1 were provided by HortaPharm BV (Amsterdam, The Netherlands) and imported under a US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) permit to a registered controlled substance research facility.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2736886/pdf/erp210.pdf

We can see that the same NIH has worked with Skunk #1, and I would interested to know if the patent involves cannabinoids from Skunk #1. And if so, what exactly does that mean for varieties of cannabis hybridized with Skunk?

It would make me very happy to know Skunk #1 was not involved in this patent...
 
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This is my understanding how it works.

Hortapharm developed 5-10 strains in the mid 90s, and liscenses them to GW Pharm who then inbreeds them for single cannabiods, mixes them proprietarlly and sells that as medication.

Skunk #1 and Afghan/Skunk seem to be the 2 strains they work the most with. Most of the genome of Sk1 is available online. I think this more has to do with the "medisin" sk cultivator registered in Europe.

And for once the US shouldn't be blamed, for one Cannabis being illegal means that no one is getting any plant patents in the states, the EU is a different story.

please check out this patent info- for more information on what/how they are trying to do it
Novel reference plant, a method for ... - Google Patent Search
 
and a word about patents :

A patent is for a novel use of a process or an application of something
These are patent applications for novel uses of cannabinoids not the plant.
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Hi all,
Below is a link to the actual patent discussed above, though some of it may be hard to interpret at times.


The present invention concerns pharmaceutical compounds and compositions that are useful as tissue protectants, such as neuroprotectants and cardioprotectants. The compounds and compositions may be used, for example, in the treatment of acute ischemic neurological insults or chronic neurodegenerative diseases.
United States Patent: 6630507
 
Below is some text which was previously touched on, though when read in its entirety underscores the topic(s) of this thread very well. Interesting though to see Mr. Clarke warn us about the things he does in his writing, only later in life to capitalize on those very problems. As we grow older, our views do change, which could explain the irony of the tale more so than any true nefarious intentions, though they are present, no matter how he or anyone else would like to spin them. One can only speculate on anyone's true intentions or motives, but from all available evidence a disturbing picture emerges, the wheels of which are already in motion.

Cannabis is one of the world’s oldest cultivated plants. Currently, however, Cannabis cultivation and use is illegal or legally restricted around the globe. Despite constant official control, Cannabis cultivation and use has spread to every continent and nearly every nation. Cultivated and wild Cannabis flourishes in temperate and tropical climates worldwide. Three hundred million users form a strong undercurrent beneath the flowing tide of eradication. To judge by increasing official awareness of the economic potentials of Cannabis, legalization seems inevitable although slow. Yet as Cannabis faces eventual legalization it is threatened by extinction. Government sanctioned and supported spraying with herbicides and other forms of eradication have chased ancient Cannabis strains from their native homes.



Cannabis has great potential for many commercial uses. According to a recent survey of available research by Turner, Elsohly and Boeren (1980) of the Research Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences at the University of Mississippi, Cannabis contains 421 known compounds, and new ones are constantly being discovered and reported. Without further understanding of the potentials of Cannabis as a source of fiber, fuel, food, industrial chemicals and medicine it seems thoughtless to support eradication campaigns.
World politics also threaten Cannabis. Rural Cannabis farming cultures of the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Cen tral America and Mrica face political unrest and open aggression. Cannabis seeds cannot be stored forever. If they are not planted and reproduced each year a strain could be lost. Whales, big cats, and redwoods are all protected in preserves established by national and international laws. Plans must also be implemented to protect Cannabis cultures and rare strains from certain extinction.
Agribusiness is excited at the prospect of supplying America’s 20 million Cannabis users with domestically grown commercial marijuana. As a result, development of uniform patented hybrid strains by multinational agricultural firms is inevitable. The morality of plant patent laws has been challenged for years. For humans to recombine and then patent the genetic material of another living organism, especially at the expense of the original organism, certainly offends the moral sense of many concerned citizens. Does the slight recombination of a plant’s genetic material by a breeder give him the right to own that organism and its offspring? Despite public resistance voiced by conservation groups, the Plant Variety Protection Act of 1970 was passed and currently allows the patenting of 224 vegetable crops. New amendments could grant patent holders exclusive rights for 18 years to distribute, import, export and use for breeding purposes their newly developed strains. Similar conventions worldwide could further threaten genetic resources. Should patented varieties of Cannabis become reality it might be illegal to grow any strain other than a patented variety, especially for food or medicinal uses. Limitations could also be imposed such that only low THC strains would be patentable. This could lead to restrictions on small scale growing of Cannabis; commercial growers could not take the chance of stray pollinations from private plots harming a valuable seed crop. Proponents of plant patenting claim that patents will encourage the development of new varieties. In fact, patent laws encourage the spread of uniform strains devoid of the genetic diversity which allows improvements. Patent laws have also fostered intense competition between breeders and the suppression of research results which if made public could speed crop improvement. A handful of large corporations hold the vast majority of plant patents. These conditions will make it impossible for cultivators of native strains to compete with agribusiness and could lead to the further extinction of native strains now surviving on small farms in North America and Europe. Plant improvement in itself presents no threat to genetic reserves. However, the support and spread of improved strains by large corporations could prove disastrous.



Like most major crops, Cannabis originated outside North America in still primitive areas of the world. Thousands of years ago humans began to gather seeds from wild Cannabis and grow them in fields alongside the first cultivated food crops. Seeds from the best plants were saved for planting the following season. Cannabis was spread by nomadic tribes and by trade between cultures until it now appears in both cultivated and escaped forms in many nations. The pressures of human and natural selection have resulted in many distinct strains adapted to unique niches within the ecosystem. Thus, individual Cannabis strains possess unique gene pools containing great potential diversity. In this diversity lies the strength of genetic inheritance. From diverse gene pools breeders extract the desirable traits incorporated into new varieties. Nature also calls on the gene pool to ensure that a strain will survive. As climate changes and stronger pests and diseases appear, Cannabis evolves new adaptations and defenses.
Modern agriculture is already striving to change this natural system. When Cannabis is legalized, the breeding and marketing of improved varieties for commercial agriculture is certain. Most of the areas suitable for commercial Cannabis cultivation already harbor their own native strains. Improved strains with an adaptive edge will follow in the wake of commercial agriculture and replace rare native strains in foreign fields. Native strains will hybridize with introduced strains through windborne pollen dispersal and some genes will be squeezed from the gene pool.



Herein lies extreme danger! Since each strain of Cannabis is genetically unique and contains at least a few genes not found in other strains, if a strain becomes extinct the unique genes are lost forever. Should genetic weaknesses arise from excessive inbreeding of commercial strains, new varieties might not be resistant to a previously unrecognized environmental threat. A disease could spread rapidly and wipe out entire fields simultaneously. Widespread crop failure would result in great financial loss to the farmer and possible extinction of entire strains.



In 1970, to the horror of American farmers and plant breeders, Southern corn leafblight (Helm in thosporium maydis) spread quickly and unexpectedly throughout corn crops and caught farmers off guard with no defense. H. maydis is a fungus which causes minor rot and damage in corn and had previously had no economic impact. However, in 1969 a virulent mutant strain of the fungus appeared in Illinois, and by the end of the following season its windborne spores had spread and blighted crops from the Great Lakes to the Gulf of Mexico. Approximately 15% of America’s corn crop was destroyed. In some states over half the crop was lost.



Fortunately the only fields badly infected were those containing strains descended from parents of what corn breeders called “the Texas strain.” Plants descended from parents of previously developed strains were only slightly infected. The discovery and spread of the Texas strain had revolutionized the corn industry. Since pollen from this strain is sterile, female plants do not have to be detasseled by hand or machine, saving farmers millions of dollars annually. Unknown to corn breeders, hidden in this improved strain was an extreme vulnerability to the mutant leafblight fungus.
Total disaster was avoided by the around the clock efforts of plant breeders to develop a commercial strain from other than Texas plants. It still took three years to develop and reproduce enough resistant seed to supply all who needed it. We are also fortunate that corn breeders could rise to the challenge and had maintained seed reserves for breeding. If patented hybrid strains of Cannabis are produced and gain popularity, the same situation could arise. Many pathogens are known to infect Cannabis and any one of them has the potential to reach epidemic proportions in a genetically uniform crop. We can not and should not stop plant improvement programs and the use of hybrid strains. However, we should provide a reserve of genetic material in case it is required in the future. Breeders can only combat future problems by relying on primitive gene pools contained in native strains. If native gene pools have been squeezed out by competition from patented commercial hybrids than the breeder is helpless. The forces of mutation and natural selection take thousands of years to modify gene pools, while a Cannabis blight could spread like wildfire.



As Cannabis conservationists, we must fight the further amendment of plant patent laws to include Cannabis, and initiate programs immediately to collect, catalogue, and propagate vanishing strains. Cannabis preserves are needed where each strain can be freely cultivated in areas resembling native habitats. This will help reduce the selective pressure of an introduced environment, and preserve the genetic integrity of each strain. Presently such a program is far from becoming a reality and rare strains are vanishing faster than they can be saved. Only a handful of dedicated researchers, cultivators, and conservationists are concerned with the genetic fate of Cannabis. It is tragic that a plant with such promise should be caught up in an age when extinction at the hands of humans is commonplace. Responsibility is left with the few who will have the sensitivity to end genocide and the foresight to preserve Cannabis for future generations.



Marijuana Botany presents the scientific knowledge and propagation techniques used to preserve and multiply vanishing Cannabis strains. Also included is information concerning Cannabis genetics and breeding used to begin plant improvement programs. It is up to the individual to use this information thoughtfully and responsibly.
Marijuana Botany - Marijuana Growing Guide
 
what are you proposing,
breeders offer pollen and s1 of male breeding stock? Give away free prized breeding stock? Sell Heirloom seed variates as such?

Limitations could also be imposed such that only low THC strains would be patentable
Like I already said, half these plants have already been "registered" in the EU since the mid 1990s. Hemp which is legal, follows these principals.

I'm confused from the side of someone who's actually studied business and understands the basic of economics. Cannabis too follows the most basic aspects of a free market more than 90% of other commodities available.
And has never been a "legitimate" business.

What about them sharing their breeding techniques? I'm sure any breeder worth their weight in seed is not just making random f1 and f2 hybrids and selling those seeds. IBL's and real breeding parents take time to create and if done right. It would be laughable that an f1 hybrid would be able to become a patented plant.

This is not a moral debate, but is someones life work not intellectual property that deserves some protection?
 
I'm very interested in preservation and breeding...

But if the society is run by a madman it undermines things before they start...
 
Hi all,
Below is some more information surrounding the above described patent.
Patent on Pot


Published August 09, 2010

Are they confused in Washington, D.C., or just deceptive? That is the burning question. You be the judge. According to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency "The FDA noted "that no sound scientific studies supported medical use of marijuana for treatment in the United States, and no animal or human data supported the safety or efficacy of marijuana for general medical use." This statement was released to the general public after the Feds filed a patent on pot, to corner the market on many of its medicinal uses.
As virtually everyone who has had access to the media will tell you, U.S. drug enforcement officials stand by the notion that there is no medicinal value to marijuana. Yet when cameras shut off and microphones have been put away, our government has quietly worked to profit on future marijuana medicines.
Consider U.S. patent #6,630,507, entitled Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants. Filed in 2001, this patent, which was subsequently granted in 2003, gives us an insight into the canny duplicity that has characterized U.S. government policy toward marijuana. In the patent, assigned to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the applicants state the following: "Cannabinoids have been found to have antioxidant properties, unrelated to NMDA receptor antagonism. This new found property makes cannabinoids useful in the treatment and prophylaxis of wide variety of oxidation associated diseases, such as ischemic, age-related, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. The cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants, for example in limiting neurological damage following ischemic insults, such as stroke and trauma, or in the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease and HIV dementia."
Let me sort this out for you. Basically the patent states that cannabinoids, the active compounds in marijuana, show benefits for treating stroke, heart attack, inflammation, and autoimmune disorders, and may be beneficial in the treatment of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and HIV. That's not bad for a plant with no purported medicinal value.
To bolster their argument for a patent on the effectiveness of cannabinoids against many common, life-threatening diseases, the HHS goes further, citing a list of studies showing that cannabinoids also possess anti-epileptic properties, protect the brain, fight arthritis, and help in cases of glaucoma.

There is a large and ever-growing body of science demonstrating that the active compounds in cannabis possess a multitude of beneficial properties. If you surf PubMed (The National Library of Medicine's online medicinal database), you will find studies that affirm the antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and protective properties of pot. And remember, that database is run by the U.S. government. In fairness, there are also studies showing that in some populations, use of cannabis can produce anxiety and imbalanced mood, and can be especially disorienting in cases of schizophrenia. Like any substance, cannabis works for some and not for others.
As of August 3, 2010, a simple search of "cannabis" on PubMed reveals 12,582 published scientific papers on cannabis. Not all of those papers concern positive medicinal benefits of cannabis, but many do.
Ever since the ground-breaking work on cannabis and pain conducted by Dr. William Shaunessy in the late 1800s, cannabis has been increasingly recognized for its medicinal properties. Cannabis aids in the relief of many types of pain, most notably pain associated with multiple sclerosis. Ingestion of cannabis either by inhalation or by eating it improves appetite, and is of value to HIV sufferers, wasting diseases and chemotherapy patients, helping them to eat, put on weight and improve immune function. Cannabis helps with glaucoma (a leading cause of blindness,) by reducing pressure in the eye. Cannabis was once included in the U.S. Pharmacopoeia, and was sold at drug stores. Additional studies show powerful protective properties, and this may lead to the development of a broad variety of cannabinoid-based medicines.
So here is a question. Is it fair and right for the U.S. government to vigorously deny any medicinal benefits of marijuana while they seek profits in filing a pot patent? I personally think that the answer is no. As time goes on, if you want to develop a marijuana medicine for oxidation, inflammation, pain, heart attack, stroke, or neuro-protection, you will be prohibited from doing so because of the "Pot Patent." And if marijuana medicines emerge for the diseases described above, this will happen under the auspices of that patent, and the Feds will reap the profits.
The debate over cannabis in society has increased in frequency and volume, especially, over the past 20 years. Various laws affecting the cultivation, sale and possession of cannabis have changed. Fifteen states plus the District of Columbia now have medical marijuana laws. A dozen states have decriminalized the possession of small amounts of cannabis. Marijuana is a multi-billion dollar cash crop that plays heavily in the economies of several states, notably California and Hawaii. And the science on cannabis as a beneficial medicine grows steadily, as researchers peer into the chemical soul of this plant and conduct rigorous experiments. Looking ahead, I see broader decriminalization, more medical inquiry into the plant, and eventually a product that is sold and taxed like alcohol and tobacco. Hopefully in the process, marijuana medicines will gain broad distribution, to aid people whose health can be greatly improved by these remedies.
"Much of the prevailing public apprehension about marijuana may stem from the drug's effect of inducing introspection and bodily passivity, which are antipathetic to a culture that values aggressiveness, achievement, and activity." - The New Columbia Encyclopedia.

Patent on Pot - FoxNews.com
 
i guess they don't read the news from foxnews.com on fox news tv.

United States Department of Health and Human Services
About HHS

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is the United States government’s principal agency for protecting the health of all Americans and providing essential human services, especially for those who are least able to help themselves.

HHS represents almost a quarter of all federal outlays, and it administers more grant dollars than all other federal agencies combined. HHS’ Medicare program is the nation’s largest health insurer, handling more than 1 billion claims per year. Medicare and Medicaid together provide health care insurance for one in four Americans.

HHS works closely with state and local governments, and many HHS-funded services are provided at the local level by state or county agencies, or through private sector grantees. The Department’s programs are administered by 11 operating divisions, including eight agencies in the U.S. Public Health Service and three human services agencies. The department includes more than 300 programs, covering a wide spectrum of activities. In addition to the services they deliver, the HHS programs provide for equitable treatment of beneficiaries nationwide, and they enable the collection of national health and other data.

Departmental leadership is provided by the Office of the Secretary. Also included in the Department is the Office of Public Health and Science, the Office of the HHS Inspector General and the HHS Office for Civil Rights. In addition, the Program Support Center, a self-supporting division of the Department, provides administrative services for HHS and other federal agencies.



this is on the same lines of the VA now supporting medical marijuana, rather then the DEA trying to control pot.
 
Is Fox News in anyway a credible source? Their coverage of news is often disgracefully politically biased...
 
Chimera, I was hoping you would respond back. We do not have to discuss genetic patents if you do not like, though I am open to that discussion at any time. As you can see above, I have posted several reasons why I have mentioned patents, and some of my chief concerns. I would be most curious about your own worries about potential problems with in the industry as the future creeps ever closer.

For example, what are your stances on patient fee's for their medicine? Perhaps on a related note, should there be a standardized method of cultivation for which patients ultimately receive their wares? What role will cannabis seed breeders play in the future? How much should they be compensated? Should some companies receive more, than others? There is an infinite list of potential issues which would need to be addressed, and who are we going to allow to look out for our interest as cannabis enthusiast? The government, or those who cherish this plant the most? I do not think we are short on topics to cover, and from my position they are all very serious and need to be addressed. Simply over looking them is not going to make the issue(s) go away. Our industry is marching forward, but to the beat of whose drum?


Excuse my lack of reply, I have had many other things going on... it's spring after all!

With all due respect Jesse, I don't think you quite have an accurate concept of the issue I was discussing.. which is plant patents.... so with all due respect I'm not going to debate you on it when your evidence is something unrelated to the subject..... other than to say that process patents are not plant patents. This is what I was suggesting you look into. Of course GW has multiple patents pending... I think 35 'patent families' at this point? They're a pharmaceutical firm pulling in what 25 million Pounds Sterling annually, and they have barely started selling their product... did you expect they would not have patents surrounding their products?

I am surprised you have not yet found their plant patent and are still rattling on about Sam, Monsanto and Hortipharm where as in reality GW is the real shark in the water you should be rasing awareness about. Really you seem caught up on Sam as the bad guy, where the reality is that GW are a much greater threat in terms of plant patents than Hortipharm is at this point.

If you are so concerned about the whole stoner-gate thingy some of the more 'noidy folks around here are, you guys are going to shit when you read the actual plant patents GW has pending.... it's some pretty serious shit.....

Hold on tight,
-Chimera
 
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Hi:

I wish a huge f u c k you to Monsanto Enterprises n a big Tornado to Monsanto like the one that hitted the zone of our fellow user bro "NoShow"

Hold on to the truth,

gm.
 
Excuse my lack of reply, I have had many other things going on... it's spring after all!

With all due respect Jesse, I don't think you quite have an accurate concept of the issue I was discussing.. which is plant patents.... so with all due respect I'm not going to debate you on it when your evidence is something unrelated to the subject...
Chimera,
I have presented quite a few pieces of "evidence" to support my position in this thread. Thus far you have offered absolutely nothing to support your position other than "because I say so." I am still waiting on those sources.

If you are so concerned about the whole stoner-gate thingy some of the more 'noidy folks around here are, you guys are going to shit when you read the actual plant patents GW has pending.... it's some pretty serious shit.....
You mean the Stoner-Gate thing that traces right back to you? Pretending you've not been sourced to Stoner-Gate is one thing, escaping from the reality of the situation is another.

One of the key concepts behind this the thread is the prevention of taking customers for rides Chimera. I was particularly turned off by your attempt to call a dog a cat with regard to feminized seeds. This in itself shows you are more about the money, than contributing to help clean the industry up. You are part of the problem, instead of the solution. The International Cannabis Sativa Society is the common man and plants best friend, not an entity that seeks to take advantage of others with profit based solutions on their mind. In order to be accepted into The International Cannabis Sativa Society a strict code of ethics would have to be adopted, which would include exclusion of false or misleading claims. In other words, you would have to clean your act up Chimera to be associated with this Society.

So anytime you want to start truly participating, and stop trolling, I am all eyes and ears.
 
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Originally posted by Chimera

With GW have just gained patent approval in the US for Sativex.... people interested in the plant patent side of things might want to check out this plant patent for cannabinoid-free reference plant for pharmaceutical research trials .... every valid scientific trial needs a control, to show that it's the active ingredients that are the cause of an effect seen in the study.... so here she is the patent for cannabinoid-free cannabis.
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/6-breede...arijuana-gw-pharmaceuticals-plant-patent.html

Chimera,
It is a bitch move of the highest magnitude to troll this thread, without sourcing anything you say, also acquiring idea's originally posted here and elsewhere by myself and then start a thread directly related on your own, pretending as if its an original idea.

Its pathetic that you come into this thread and troll, and essentially plagiarize my work and present it as your own. Something which is not isolated to yourself these days apparently.

Very weak.
 
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/6-breede...arijuana-gw-pharmaceuticals-plant-patent.html

Chimera,
It is a bitch move of the highest magnitude to troll this thread, without sourcing anything you say, also acquiring idea's originally posted here and elsewhere by myself and then start a thread directly related on your own, pretending as if its an original idea.

Its pathetic that you come into this thread and troll, and essentially plagiarize my work and present it as your own. Something which is not isolated to yourself these days apparently.

Very weak.




I was just about to post the link here.


Yeah, I stole your idea...:rolleyes: JessE you are really one of a kind LOL.


How does the stoner gate trace back to me... and where are all the feminized seeds you are talking about? Enlighten me.

-Chimera
 
Jesse,

I'm already doing some of the things you hope to do one day with your society.... so how exactly do I need you?

Seriously man, I would not be part of a group that showed such lack of sense to associate themselves with you. No offense intended, it's just the straight dope.

All the best,
-Chimera
 
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