Unofficial MNS Guide to Grooming

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Excellent guide!

Successful FIM topping really boils down to making the cut in just the right place, sometimes it seems like it's the luck of the draw.

I had a question though, I always wondered what is the difference between pinching / super cropping and slowly bending the stem vertically without braking it?

I usually top the plants when they are fairly low in height and start LST training from then on. I tie the new branches down in a circular fashion so that the plant eventually covers to pot entirely. Usually it's a combination of topping/training until I get a really bushy plant that stays quite low. It's a bit more work and requires a bit more time but I really like the results. This way I also get a steady supply of clones every other week or so.


Early LST without topping.

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About a month later the plant is covering the pot and filling out nicely.

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Finally here is an Ingermar's Punch plant in early flowering that was trained for quite some time.

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I don't know how LST + Scrogging affects the crop but the plants are easier to work with when height is an issue.
 
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Yo Kodiak thanks fer those pix. If they are current, drop some off as she progresses! I hear ya about the 'right spot' for the fim. Too high just mangles the leaves. A lil lower, and you achieve the effect a lil bit (not worth the stress, IMO); A lil lower, and you get your 4 tops; A LIL lower, and you get a shitload of tops; TOO low, and you get a 'top job'. My last 3-4 attempts at fimming have ended up in 'topping'.

Here are the plants ~3wks after the surgery. The topped plant has been further groomed for a 'side cola', and I cropped one of the 'tops' created by the cut. I did this to make some room between the 2. When the buds thicken up, they would have smushed together (mold, less light, smaller, no color...). The cropped plant has completely blown off the break. No knot, no nothing. The fimmed plant has just created 2 large 'thumb buds' @ the cut. It is actually 4 tops, but essentially it acts as a top.
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Cropped plant
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Topped plant
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Fimmed (not really) plant
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I have 2 EQ's that I wanna get pix of in here. They have taken the training VERY well, and they were sort of an afterthought.
 
Here are those EQ's.
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This one got a top (was trying for a fim), then shaved for clones, then cropped the tops @ ~150deg angle. Makes a SLIGHT 'v'. I'm done grooming this one.
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This one has 4 'tops'. I have been shaving the shorter 2 in an attempt to have them catch the taller 2.
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Lookin' good there Barletta, thumbs up

Cool pics of different pruning methods. The angle on that last bend is quite extreme but I bet the plant will fix it nonetheless. Quite hardy our green friends.

The pics I posted was from earlier grows so cannot post any updates on them.

I have new plants on the way however and I already topped some of them and I will train all of them once they gain some size. This time they are under a 600w metal halide instead of the cfl's. The growth rate is crazy, I forgot how well plants veg under MH.

I can post some pics as soon as I have something good.

There are many good ways of training plants. What I usually do is top them or bend/tie down the main stem while the plant is young, sending secondary shoots upwards. Then I use a combination of topping and tying down the new growth until I have a plant that is strong and bushy.
 
Thanks for the grooming thread Barletta, it's a good place to post some LST pics.

Here's a couple of pics of the Oldtimer's Haze plant that I am currently veggin'.

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It was a bit tall and lanky so I ended up topping it and tying down the new tops, eventually twisting them around the pot. This should encourage the plant to grow into a bush. I will probably end up tying some of the new growth to the older branches to make sure that all the new shoots keep an even pace. Hopefully it will grow into a sphere.

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It will require some work but it's all good fun :)
 
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Here is the Oldtimer's Haze plant a week later. It is starting to take the bushy shape that I aimed for. A few more weeks and it will have filled out the gaps. I tied the top branches so that they each form a circle on one side of the stem. Now that they have grown full circle I will let the tops grow upward and perhaps continue the LST training at the next level.

You can see that the plant has already started sending up shoots from what used to be low-level nodes.

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You can see it in this picture at the top right-hand corner. You can also see the cool mist from the Humidifier. Buying this thing was the best money I ever spent. It keeps the relative humidity high and the plants love it.

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Here is a couple of pics of the Kali Mist plant than I am veggin'. This plant does not respond well to topping because it prefers a few big main colas instead of many smaller ones. This is a slight variation of the things I did with the Oldtimer's Haze.

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I tied the two branches together on each side of the stem right at the level of the next shoots. Now the plant should grow twelve tops instead of four. The main shoots will eventually curve upwards and try to keep pace with the others. All of these can later be topped to promote further growth.

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I have topped all my plants several times over but these two required some training. The trick is to get as many shoots as possible on the lowest possible plant. I top them at almost every node. Once it gains size there will be a lot more bud sites than if the plant was left alone to grow as it chooses, which is usually the christmas tree shape.

I have a strong light in a small space so the light will penetrate all the way to the lower shoots. More shoots on the way from top to bottom ensures that I get a larger crop than if I left the plant unattended.

Patience is the key to successful low stress training.

Even if you have a lot of space it is still a very good way of growing weed. I have grown both tree shaped plants and plants that were heavily topped and trained, the latter always produce bigger yields. It might take a bit longer for the plant to finish when you consider the time it took it to get there but eventually all the buds will fatten and ripen to almost the same size as a single main cola.

One thing to remember though is that the plant cannot supply an endless amount of shoots with energy, so it is good to clip those weaker lower shoots once the plant goes into flowering. So you take the part of the "investment planner" for the plant and encourage it to direct it's energy to the strongest buds. When using a scrog net this usually means clipping any branch below the net, but it is also possible to continue training throughout flowering, bending in tying down branches in order to maximize the crop. Another thing to remember is that all of this is heavily dependent on root size so a larger pot is always better than a small one.

Happy Growing

-Kodiak-
 
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