The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

[Hemphrey Bogart]

You guys/gals ever hear of this guy Bruce Perlowin? He's got a book out now that I plan on buying. The guy supposedly smuggled tons of herb back in the day.

HB.

Oh, almost forgot the link: Bruce Perlowin, An Unusual Entrepreneur - Marijuana Smuggler

 

[jwf]

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[bigherb]

You guys/gals ever hear of this guy Bruce Perlowin? He's got a book out now that I plan on buying. The guy supposedly smuggled tons of herb back in the day.

HB.

Oh, almost forgot the link: Bruce Perlowin, An Unusual Entrepreneur - Marijuana Smuggler

Although this thread has gone off topic again


Thanks for the link

What is some coincedince ,if I recall it was the autobiography section which mentioned him summugling high grade punto roja from colombia and thailand in 75


1luvbigherb

 

[biteme]

another point not commonly talked about is that haze is often referred to as some combo of 4 or 5 different strains which are named by their grow locale. best guess is folks were smoking this one for awhile before someone put the 'haze' label on her? peace-biteme

 

[itsbenfun]

The first sativa poly with stackable traits through the "y". Nevilles seeds he received anyways and furthered by mating cousins through an outcross.

Can't get off that thought...

IBF

 

[Namaskar]

As Bigherb said earlier there are no reports about mexican haze pheno's, so question is still if a Mex strain is used in Haze.About Thai, you have Highland Thai and lowland Thai, big difference in effect between those 2.

Namaste

 

[EggyBread]

uk thai

Hey all,
I know it's a little off topic,but was mentioned,
Most of the stuff imported in bricks that was compressed and contained a lot of seed,When 90% of the seeds(90%- just a guess)are germinated turn out to be indica or indy dom hybrids. not saying its true to all imported swag,but that still goes for the stuff today in the uk, the dealers call it thai but its definitely indica when germinated probably afghani by the look of it.

 

[ganja man1]

absolutely pathetic

Stop trolling me, you're ruining BigHerb's thread!

did he smuggle more then hash

sorry if asking you seems like im trolling you

seriously though im asking , did he ?

Stop trolling me, you're ruining BigHerb's thread!

First time I've heard of Howard smuggling Buddha sticks into the UK , I thought he was a hash man. Long way from Bangkok to London Be a bit easier organising some gear from North Africa - Pakistan and Afghanistan to the UK than Thailand . Then you consider the fact that the main reason Aussies and Americans got the connections to score Thai was through the Vietnam War. My older bro had his first smoke of Thai in 1970. A black American G.I shouted him a smoke at a Kings Cross nightclub. Try again GangaMan 1

Stop trolling me, you're ruining BigHerb's thread!

Although this thread has gone off topic again...

1luvbigherb

BigHerb, can you please tell these clowns to stop trolling me in your thread? Thank you!

 

[bigherb]

I wanted to say its great to see a partial continuation to the topic ,Im not ignoraing anyone pm , post ive just been very busy with work as usual an recently had a death in the family

I hope again we can all respect each others opinions an state your opinion whatever it may be make your point an let it be ,move on dont focus on being negative

Fellas there have been many post here i dont agree with i will answer what i can but if i see that there is Nothing to come from it but something negative i will not continue the convo ,others should do the same
No Reason for a back an fourth argument ,We Dont have to agree but we also dont have to be disrespectful .The old sayin If you Dont have nothnig Nice to say dont say anything at all would apply after all that has taken place here


1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

who else finds it interesting that haze has always been described as columbian x mexican x s. indian x thai.

and we have sam saying the s. indian and thai were later additions at the end of haze production. i think i saw somewhere that sam even provided the oaxacan.

so it makes bigherbs story pretty reasonable, it definately seems to have started with the columbian.

i think there is a big peice of missing information about what was done to the haze seeds
between 69 - 81. and sam is the only person who might know for sure.

What is burning bush anyways? s. indian x thai ?for sam to tell nevil that burning bush is a prominent ancestor to the haze seeds nevil was getting lends to the idea that sams worked those seeds after 76 or so. burning bush was released in 81?

Great post

i think there is a big peice of missing information about what was done to the haze seeds
between 69 - 81. and sam is the only person who might know for sure

Thats very true only Sams can tell uss exactly what he has done iwth the line an who he has given what stock .

But in my opinion he has given some great info already ,he told us he smoked haze in 71 soo he wasnt possible involved before than .He told us the Thai an S.indian were later addition used toward the end of production .He admitts haze was grown for over 10 years an has referenced 69 as the earliest date whne speaking about haze




Al uotes from Sams below

Originally Posted by Knowsitall4sure / Cannabis World
When did you first see and smoke the Haze?
1971 for me

"All of the S Indian and Thai crosses were toward the end of Haze production. Not only males were used for crosses. The 3 year timeline was just someones dream , Haze was grown for over 10years by the haze bros , Sacred seeds tried to stabilize Haze with mixed results.The quality dropped considerably.The problem is that the best Hazes were F1s Hybrids , and Haze stabilization can not be done without a loss of vigor.
Also I never chose males for hybrids, you do not know how good they are or their ability to contribute to a new hybrid. I use haze females , and I do have a few Haze males that I selected from hundreds of males , after testing their progeny first. But it is a lot of work and beyond most closet breeders. The progenys growouts involved thousands of plants. Just to determine the best haze male to use for Hybrids

What is burning bush anyways? s. indian x thai ?[/B]for sam to tell nevil that burning bush is a prominent ancestor to the haze seeds nevil was getting lends to the idea that sams worked those seeds after 76 or so. burning bush was released in 81?[/

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman / Overgrow
Burning Bush was a pure Original Haze, on the Thai side with very thin buds that looked like shit, except they were covered in resin, an Oz would make a ziplock all sticky as hell inside. It was very very strong. Also hard to roll a jay because it was so sticky and did not burn so great, even though dryed and cured perfect. Just to much resin

FYI,
Burning Bush was an Original Haze with a strong Thai influence. I named it.
There were only Two Haze Brothers and they did not go to NYC and visit HT.
Joe Haze is not a Haze brother. The Haze Brothers did not grow Indica's, they grew Sativa's.
They did grow my Skunk #1 after 1980, because it was easier and faster for them.
-SamS (who was there

This has long been my point/thought an ive always thought it to be quite obvious even before Nevils many supporting post below are some supporting post from Sams which in my opinion say it all

Bottom line is if you want an almost Haze line that is stong and popular get Nevilles Haze, SSH, Kali Mist, Sage, or a dozen other Haze Hybrids that mostly used my Original Haze as a parent, directly or through a Haze Hybrid based on my Haze genetics available from 1976 from me

.

My thought is hwy would he refer to SSH or Nevilles haze when speaking of haze stock from 76 unless he sold Nevil stock from 76 .Than to add if Sams admitts that thai was used atthe ned of the haze production .How does anyone believe its possible to see thai in 69 stock ???

Than solidifies it right below

As for anyone (if I got this right) implying that Original Haze clones from 1969 are used, and alive, that is plain insane, there are no Cannabis clones from 1969, that is for sure. But maybe he meant seeds from 1969? And not grown until the 80's? To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976

He admitts selling seeds from after 76 before the 80's now do you think in 84/85 he sold 69 haze stock to Nevil ? It doesnt make sense



1luvbigherb

 

[Bigred85]

Hey Herb,
Great thread, some intrigue and some passion on display for sure.
Say, is there any chance that Thai could have been already in the mix in the years previous to Sam. If he wasn't there from the start he couldn't possibly have known for sure what the exact lineage was. So if he then introduced it in 76/77 or later, thinking that this was the first use of a Thai. That would make all the various stories tie together better.
Just my thoughts,

Cheers BR

 

[biteme]

mr. eggybread, just to clarify but it seem you are referring to a product you see in the uk? and one that is alien to me. where is the origin? peace-biteme

 

[Organnabis]

I've met him, got to hang out with him for awhile at a friends house. He's a funny and interesting guy, kinda like the Johnny Depp in the movie Blow, haha. I love listening to old timers and all about the good ole' days, so it was really interesting listening to all his old smuggling stories.

You guys/gals ever hear of this guy Bruce Perlowin? He's got a book out now that I plan on buying. The guy supposedly smuggled tons of herb back in the day.

HB.

Oh, almost forgot the link: Bruce Perlowin, An Unusual Entrepreneur - Marijuana Smuggler

 

[BucketBong]

The last A grade Thai I ever smoked was in 1982. There was a run for 6 months in Brisbane of thai weed that was tightly wrapped in thin cardboard . We called them bullet sticks because they literally used to blow our heads off. Wasnt the same gear as the old thai stick or the buddha but it was still psychedelic , tasty and distinctly asian sativa in effect . Never saw good thai again aftr that although I'm sure small amounts were still around. Cheers All.

 

[BucketBong]

I just remembered that the sticks from 82 were wrapped in army surplus thin cardboard paper. Only weed I've ever seen presented like that . Cheers All.

 

[coop]

Does anyone have an opinion if the sativas where highland or lowland variates? I would assume if they where hybrids of awesome highland sativas which seem to have been grown with more care and from better stock then the mass produced lowland stuff.


With the other thread and some points about uv, even if they where different stock I am sure highland thais, mexis and colombians of the old days would have had similar effects just due to them being similar styles of plants and cultivated in similar ways.

 

[bushweed]

High seems to be the varieties that get you...

 

[ganja man1]

Stick to the Hempy bucket thread Ganga Boy. This one is for your elders . The only clown here is a semi moronic little boy - closet grower who was found out telling lies in this thread. Just like you lied about my pm message . Youve never seen let alone smoked a real Thai budda stick in your life mate. You were caught out in yet another fallacy and like your puppet master you selectively quote others in a desperate attempt to spin your way out of trouble. Leave the " origin of haze " to the elders and the members who have smoked it Ganga Boy . These people are trying to ascertain the facts about old lineages , strains etc that were way before your time mate . Stick to the Hempy bucket thread . Bloody kids ....... I'll get rid of this post later Herb , my amigo. Some things have to be said though mate . Cheers All.

Stop the whining. Stop the lies. I responded to your dumb PM begging me to delete my post in your thread. I told you to feck off basically. So stop your lies. I will ask questions and give opinions in this thread when ever I like.

 

[farmergiles]

Hey all,
I know it's a little off topic,but was mentioned,
Most of the stuff imported in bricks that was compressed and contained a lot of seed,When 90% of the seeds(90%- just a guess)are germinated turn out to be indica or indy dom hybrids. not saying its true to all imported swag,but that still goes for the stuff today in the uk, the dealers call it thai but its definitely indica when germinated probably afghani by the look of it.

I think I know exactly the weed you mean, I've also seen it sold in Holland- very weak with a dry fairly pleasant taste.

 

[biteme]

ok farmergiles, try and give a fuller description of this pressed product, if you will? the only similar product i have seen in the western hemisphere has never been indy dom and the simple fact that it has been pressed is due to the need to smuggle and therefore, it is a commercial variety of sorts. and what is the origin of this import? peace-biteme