Originally Posted by Brick Top View Post
No, JessE, that is not at all what I said. I said that I pointed out how Hempy was 100% wrong to call Big Herb a liar for what was in Big Herb's article, and I was accurate in what I said.
There is a night and day difference between what I actually said and what you incorrectly attempted to claim I said.
No, JessE, it's called correcting your error, or falsehood.
You do realize that if someone said something as inaccurate about Hempy as you did about me he would call them a liar.
I clearly pointed out that any journalists work is only as accurate as the information they receive from their sources. Of course a journalist will strive for 100% accuracy, but that can never be assured, especially when dealing with historical events that, like in this case, and no pun is intended, are hazy at best.
But when something is written in good faith based on information from sources that was believed to have been given in good faith if there are any inaccuracies in the piece of writing that does not make the journalist a liar. But based on what Hempy disagrees with, but of course is totally incapable of disproving and of offering concrete verifiable proof for his position, Hempy called Big Herb a Liar, multiple times.
That was totally wrong on Hempy's part.
If you are incapable of understanding that, than I can see why you said "strawman."
Brick Top,
You did not address any of the points I brought up, which hempy had also previously discussed. Bigherb claimed to not know of the haze brother "J" but in his article claimed to have spoken with "J".
You also have not addressed the fact all of the information derived is from an anonymous online source, whom bigherb claims to have spoken with on the phone.
All of these points have been previously addressed, and you're attempting to play word games. I am not interested in straw man tactics, I am interesting in discussing the topic at hand. All of this information and more fly's in the face of years of research, and at a forum where this subject has a long history of being discussed it will most certainly remain so for long to come I suspect.
So are any of you actually willing to discuss the topic at hand, or are you going to be insistent on playing MTV Real World games where you concentrate more on personalities instead of facts.
This is the MNS Seedbank and Research forum, time to discuss this "research" and topic at hand.
1. Unlike yourself and Hempy, the degree of truth and accuracy of the article doesn't matter to me. Regardless of if it is 99% accurate or 9% accurate it won't change anything in my life, so I don't care.
Plus, it is absolutely impossible for anyone here to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and arguing over what is impossible to prove or disprove is borderline insanity.
All that can happen is preferred beliefs can be argued. There can be no factual discussion, especially when one party believe anything and everything Haze related that predates Shanti and Nevil is so totally irrelevant that it virtually did not occur.
2. I pointed out how it is not the job of a journalist to hold press conferences and hold question and answer sessions on what they write. They research something. They compile their research. Then they, to the best of their ability and in good faith, write something that is as complete and as accurate as their research allows them. Then each individual reader accepts it or rejects it, in full or in part. Period, thee end. That is how journalism works unless something like plagiarism or libel is involved.
If Hempy knows for a fact that Big Herb is way off in what he wrote, something that is impossible for Hempy to know, Hempy should write what he believes is the truth. He should create a timeline and say who had what strain or strains in what year and who, either alone or with others, crossed what with what to make what and then who used that to cross with something else, and of course what was used, and what was created from it .... and walk those who give a damn through the true origins of Haze strains until Shanti and Nevil became involved.
Certainly Hempy can do precisely that if he knows for a fact that what Big Herb wrote was inaccurate. After all, to be capable of knowing that something is inaccurate that means the person saying something is inaccurate must possess each and every single true fact.
But then Hempy won't be able to do that because he, again, asked Shanti to delete his account here, right JessE? I mean, a man with such undeniable honesty and integrity such as Hempy possesses would never say he was leaving the site if he did not have every intention of doing so, right JessE?
big herb u know your my dude so i will leave it at that.i have read what jesse is posting so since no one really likes him or hempy let me say i see where he (jesse) is coming from.just so it is out in the open i have only spoke to jesse once a couple of weeks ago ever.he hasnt answered my pm's since then,him or hempy which at this point i could care less.now that that is out the way,BH imagine if u wrote this article that is close to your heart which it is and someone else writes the same article with more info which u didnt get or find and (kind) of undermines what you put together in your article.
how would you feel?now with that being said i want to state i never read your article jesse only big herbs but i do understand putting your all into something and if competition rears its ugly head wanting answers or for it to get wiped out that i do understand and truthfully its normal especially in men we're all competitive
but that still doesnt give u the right to say hey bigherb i want answers and if u dont answer them then your a lier or not credible..granted u didnt say that so i figured i say it before u.now BH after last night lol i know u dont like hempy especially after last night which if it was me i cant blame u in all honesty.even though jesse and hempy is cool keep in mind jesse still isnt hempy.basically what im trying to say is give that man some conversation BH i dont think it can hurt as long as you guys can keep it civil.if not then F***k it but i think it would be interesting for us all and who knows we all might learn something new
peace and God bless!
