The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

[bigherb]

Britsh hempire

Nice too see you back it only took my article


Please keep it positive an peaceful in here ,since posting the article NOone like me love me or hate has Gotten out of hand can we keep it like that ??? Please I ask You


The thai has nothin to do with the santa cruz haze or its origins ,agin this quote from Sams below

All of the S Indian and Thai crosses were toward the end of Haze production. Not only males were used for crosses. The 3 year timeline was just someones dream , Haze was grown for over 10years by the haze bros

Now the above has been confirmed to me more than once ,it was also noted by oldtimers who had experienced haze in the 70's and had nothin to do with G an R.L .Off the top Both docleaf who still post at Ic an Bluebeard spoke about the being prsent in the new offering but not what they had experienced back when .


Listen ,im not here to debate

This is the story i was told it has been confirmed by online an offline sources ,IVE SPOKE ON THE PHONE WITH ONE OF THE THREE BROTHERS .Sams the man who brought haze to Holland has confirmed it aswell .

I have nothing to prove this was for the Community to know the truth and to satisfy the passion that burned inside me .I thought id share the poster which very few have an i thought would show credilbility ,someone told me they grew haze in the snow in NYC an that i swhat you see in the pic with the poster

I have nothing to gain but the thanks an apprecaition which touched my heart .



1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

This whole line here is bullshit, misconstrued from what people could'nt read in Marijuana Botany.

if you have a copy look at page 18

Thai
Planted May 25, 1977
Begins Flowering Sept 15
There are multiple harvest dates listed as it was seeded but the other notes cleary show it was ready in November

Also yielded 298grams.
then 177 later.

Sup brother

This quote is amazing

The flowering an finish dates are very similar to Nevilles haze grown in NYC


1luvbigherb

 

[orangutang]

What? You're using a book that was written by Sam's cronie and largely dictated by Sam to prove something?

How many Thais have you personally grown?

Begins flowering in September and is done in November?

Please, just think about that for a moment... It is utter nonsense, no pure sativa would flower in the 3 months you seem to claim.

Thais take 6 months or more to flower, and I'm talking pure, unadulterated Thai here.

Even Sam the ratman said that pure Haze needed to be grown under glass to finish in Santa Cruz and that's only part Thai.

 

[orangutang]

Britsh hempire

Nice too see you back it only took my article


Please keep it positive an peaceful in here ,since posting the article NOone like me love me or hate has Gotten out of hand can we keep it like that ??? Please I ask You


The thai has nothin to do with the santa cruz haze or its origins ,agin this quote from Sams below



Now the above has been confirmed to me more than once ,it was also noted by oldtimers who had experienced haze in the 70's and had nothin to do with G an R.L .Off the top Both docleaf who still post at Ic an Bluebeard spoke about the being prsent in the new offering but not what they had experienced back when .


Listen ,im not here to debate

This is the story i was told it has been confirmed by online an offline sources ,IVE SPOKE ON THE PHONE WITH ONE OF THE THREE BROTHERS .Sams the man who brought haze to Holland has confirmed it aswell .

I have nothing to prove this was for the Community to know the truth and to satisfy the passion that burned inside me .I thought id share the poster which very few have an i thought would show credilbility ,someone told me they grew haze in the snow in NYC an that i swhat you see in the pic with the poster

I have nothing to gain but the thanks an apprecaition which touched my heart .



1luvbigherb

You're a gullible idiot, Sam is a liar, forget everything he says.

Docleaf? The guy is less than forty years old and a bullshitter, may be a police informant too so what does anything he has to say confirm other than you're an idiot.

You spoke to someone on the phone, so what, people lie.

This is pitiful to behold, why can't people see right through this bullshit?

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

Hey Orangutang, what strains were you growing in the 70s? Reason I ask is that you talk like someone that was actually there in California during that time, so maybe instead of berating a fellow member, you could share some of your stories of growing the haze or whatever in California during the 70s.

Thanks.

HB.

 

[bigherb]

Hey Orangutang, what strains were you growing in the 70s? Reason I ask is that you talk like someone that was actually there in California during that time, so maybe instead of berating a fellow member, you could share some of your stories of growing the haze or whatever in California during the 70s.

Thanks.

HB.

I appreciate the unity and your mind set

That's what this thread/article is about sharing

Im open to discussion i love to speak about haze an hear any others experiences or views .But we can do it respectfully an agree to disagree


1luvbigherb

 

[Scorpion]

This whole line here is bullshit, misconstrued from what people could'nt read in Marijuana Botany.

if you have a copy look at page 18

Thai
Planted May 25, 1977
Begins Flowering Sept 15
There are multiple harvest dates listed as it was seeded but the other notes cleary show it was ready in November

Also yielded 298grams.
then 177 later.

I think it is safe to say those harvest dates are for ripe seed not ripe flowers....
he was growing a seed crop and could not care less if the sinsemilla flowers were ripe,if the Pure Thai would ripen properly,there would be NO reason to hybridize the seed.
Multiple harvest dates shows full well it was seed and not flowers that were the key focus of the documented grow.

IMO
scorpion

 

[bigherb]

I think it is safe to say those harvest dates are for ripe seed not ripe flowers....
he was growing a seed crop and could not care less if the sinsemilla flowers were ripe,if the Pure Thai would ripen properly,there would be NO reason to hybridize the seed.
Multiple harvest dates shows full well it was seed and not flowers that were the key focus of the documented grow.

IMO
scorpion

Thanks for your input

Thats interesting

Id think the Flower would have to be Ripe or damn close to it for a seed to be ripened


1luvbigherb

 

[manivelle]

flo for a thai ,outdoor here in france, is from july to mid december! or more ???! i think !
i cut mine (years ago) begin november and was not rippen !

 

[Scorpion]

Thanks for your input

Thats interesting

Id think the Flower would have to be Ripe or damn close to it for a seed to be ripened


1luvbigherb

Apparently you do not make much of your own seed , it only takes 30 days for ripe seed on most cannabis I have grown.
And no the flower does not have to be ripe,as soon as it is pollenated it stops making flower and starts making seed.

I do the very same thing as the grower in MjB book,with my Pahari Sativa strain.
it is said to be Kumaoni Province Charas Sativa,well I believe it,and I know it wont finish proper until at least dec,so I can pollenate several branches over her flower time with different male,if done very carfully cross pollenation can be kept to a minimum.
But,even the 4-6 week early seeded flowers are much better than most any commercial to be found.
The hybrid seed should be the bomb...
Boom!


scorpion

 

[Donald Mallard]

hi big herb , orangatang etc ,,

just for clarification
thai sativa will certianly grow tight buds in the right climate and with the right plant ,
not all are whispy , though many are ,, but some are quite nice colas , tight and not airy ..
anyone that had any of the golden thai would have noted that ,
it wasnt on sticks , just looose bud like we all know , and definatley they werent airy ...

 

[Scorpion]

hi big herb , orangatang etc ,,

just for clarification
thai sativa will certianly grow tight buds in the right climate and with the right plant ,
not all are whispy , though many are ,, but some are quite nice colas , tight and not airy ..
anyone that had any of the golden thai would have noted that ,
it wasnt on sticks , just looose bud like we all know , and definatley they werent airy ...

Exactly spot on wally d...
Kaui Electric was a Hawaiian Hybrid {Thai ancestors} of the seventies fame
(79-83) was when I puffed it. Gold flowers with golden straw colored stems so sticky a joint was not possible,piped or bong hits...only

Like Vitalis
"A Little dab will do ya"

 

[bushweed]

Thai
Planted May 25, 1977
Begins Flowering Sept 15
There are multiple harvest dates listed as it was seeded but the other notes cleary show it was ready in November

remember that pure Thais never produced proper buds,

If RL (Clarke) harvested his Thai buds after two months, one may well understand the genesis of the myth that pure Thais never produced proper buds

 

[manivelle]

mine produced proper buds ! and the weed ,the seeds came from was golden ,not compressed , and in crab can from thailand !

 

[bigherb]

Apparently you do not make much of your own seed , it only takes 30 days for ripe seed on most cannabis I have grown.
And no the flower does not have to be ripe,as soon as it is pollenated it stops making flower and starts making seed.
I do the very same thing as the grower in MjB book,with my Pahari Sativa strain.
it is said to be Kumaoni Province Charas Sativa,well I believe it,and I know it wont finish proper until at least dec,so I can pollenate several branches over her flower time with different male,if done very carfully cross pollenation can be kept to a minimum.
But,even the 4-6 week early seeded flowers are much better than most any commercial to be found.
The hybrid seed should be the bomb...
Boom!


scorpion

Once again thanks for the input ,but im not sure why the attitude

That would explain the lack of taste an effect in my THH


1luvbigherb

 

[Scorpion]

No attitude Biggie,
It was obvious to me that you don't make seed,or much of it,because if you did you would know the flowers dont need to be ripe for the seed to be ripe,
I sometimes brush pollenate many long flowers and harvest the seed with tweezers when the calyxe dies indicating the seed inside is ripe.
While at the same time the large flower cluster continues to make fresh new pistols....say you have a 90 day plant for finished flowers.
you could carefully pollenate two seperate seed samples by waiting about 30 days between males...first male seed ripe and harvested before second male pollen is used,
use only single small branches and label them. any unknown/unlabelled branch seed is saved but of Unknown father (you have two choices) it will be apparent when grown if the males are different type.

peace Biggie

scorpion

 

[Master Yoda]

Run, one must learn to walk before they can. First be a student, a master must. Grow, a student must first plant a seed before the flower will. Herh herh herh.

 

[hempy]

Thia seed take around 6 weeks and over to mature properly but what would i know right only grown it since 79.

As for Sam's input into bigs article well his always changing his story he should write one down and run with it as should others that way they would sound more credible and believable.

I as others think that the haze brothers are R Clark and Sam but they also could be Timmy and Kenny from south park to as no one knows or will ever know for sure as theres just to much bull shit to ever find the true facts now.

It is absurd that neville said he got 1969 O Haze seeds from the Haze Bros.
#1 Neville first traveled to USA in 86 or 87 at the earliest, the main Haze Brother, R was gone, retired in Mexico by 82 he did not come back for 10 years. He was the one that created O Haze. The second Haze Brother J quit growing O Haze about 1980 and only grew Skunk #1 after that, until he became a reborn christian, then he quit growing, and anyway recently he told me he never met Neville and he certainly did not sell any Haze seeds to him or anyone else ever.

The Haze Bros had a falling out in the late 70's and stopped talking to one another, for certain they did not sell seeds as the Haze Bros to anyone, it is ridiculous as well as impossible.
Lets be honest Neville got the seeds from me, but he had promised me that he would not make pure Haze and sell them as such, I told him it was fine to make Haze hybrids with other varieties that were not mine.
He broke his word and started selling Haze pure and hybrids with my varieties, and I stopped working with him.
Maybe he lied to avoid the problems that accompany breaking your word? I can not say, but I know Neville did not meet the Haze Bros and did not get any O Haze seeds from them. Both the Haze Bros were close friends of mine and both were close neighbors for years, J lived a few hundred
meters from my house until he departed to Mexico.

-SamS

Sam sed haze brother R and haze brother J so when did brother G come into it was he adopted or did he just come out of a haze high decades later interesting the plot thickens as does the bull shit.

 

[bigherb]

Thia seed take around 6 weeks and over to mature properly but what would i know right only grown it since 79.

As for Sam's input into bigs article well his always changing his story he should write one down and run with it as should others that way they would sound more credible and believable.

I as others think that the haze brothers are R Clark and Sam but they also could be Timmy and Kenny from south park to as no one knows or will ever know for sure as theres just to much bull shit to ever find the true facts now.





Sam sed haze brother R and haze brother J so when did brother G come into it was he adopted or did he just come out of a haze high decades later interesting the plot thickens as does the bull shit.

Hempy

I appreciate your opinion an experience being shared in a civil an polite manner

Your correct sams story has changed abit from time to time .It seems he thought the truth would never come to light an just twisted some things abit to heighten his role ,but he did know the Original growers which he referred to as the haze brothers on the net only, an caused abit of confusion .He did try to save the line an preserve the original haze ,Soo his story is mostly True with some things twisted an not made clear .

I can only imagine he used J as a form of protection aswell as just R .
I have now several Pm's in which Sams refers to G,I also have abit more detail which confirms what ive shared .


But here is a public post below

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman
I read this and have to say it is mostly correct, a few minor points are off. I do not want to nit-pick.
In the past I have read so much crap about the Haze it was nice to see the mostly true facts for a change.
I was in all the greenhouses that G and R.L. used to grow, they were not big or fancy. G's first crop was outdoors in the Santa Cruz mountains, they used greenhouses as soon as they could. In the beginning both lived separately just a block or two from my place, I was a close friend of both.
Remember, I was given permission to use and reproduce the genes and the name the Original Haze back in the 70's. Not that most people care, but I did.
As far as I know I am the only one with un-hybridized Haze. Only used for breeding it is amazing what happens when you use it to make Haze/Whatever hybrids, amazing.

-SamS

As for Sams am RC being the haze brothers its untrue ,Its been confirmed by Sams in this post below and hooteroll himself posted here that he was one of the 3 brothers an ive have spoke on the phone with one of the brothers who still resides in the Cruz an is quite popular .Yes it can be anyone i was talking to on the phone i know i didnt meet him .But his info coincides with the info my source gave me his name an story which is available publicly

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman
Don't know who Hooteroll is, except I don't think they post here on IC.
I am glad you three were the Haze Brothers, and you are just smokers, and I am sure you did get "R" toasted for the High Times article. And I am the first to admit that the two real Haze Bros "the growers" did not call them selves Haze Bros until long after the High Times article came out, so what does that mean?

The story i was told an have shared really pieces together what Sams has said all these years ,the info is out there ,with a long list of post many i have quoted.


Im sure there will always be doubt as to the authenticity of the story ,but even if G told his story himself there will be doubt if its him an if it was true .What i do promise is If an when Sams sams writes his story it will not differ much from mine



I hope we can all Keep this discussion civil an Respectful


1luvbigherb

 

[coop]

Hey BigHerb,
Did G say he was still growing?
If so what's he growing nowadays?