The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

[bigherb]

well rule #1 of fight club.

There would have been a connection between some people and the area that's for sure, but you can't make specific ties to some hippie and some shipment that the seeds came from. But Santa Cruz is still electric from the 70s.

Anything is possible an i know this from experience. I am a very open minded fella but in life i look at the side most probable

From the story i was told the Boel had no connection with G nor the Santa Cruz original haze


1luvbigherb

 

[coop]

well unless G personally selected seed stock in some foreign land its a good likely hood that someone connected to them was importing some of that fine fine sativa.

 

[bigherb]

well unless G personally selected seed stock in some foreign land its a good likely hood that someone connected to them was importing some of that fine fine sativa.

Sup brother

Much respect but im not sure why you continue on that thought

Ive stated anything is possible ,seems your saying its most probable .But be clear its Not fact

I understand what your saying

But it seems your missing my point

The Boel has been discused in the past when haze was mentioned ,the hawaii connection,the stamp on the package Etc etc . I dont want anyone getting the wrong idea of associations with Boel and Haze .

I dont have much knowledge of the Cali scene in 60's an 70's .I know the Boel played a part in shippin exotic imports of Bud .But i believe there were many other outlets which The landrace strains got imported from .


I can tell you my uncle from Nyc had friends from Big sur who he's visit often an they had connections outside of Boel in the 60's .my point i dont think BOEL imported everything


So Unless you have more direct knowledge of wha the boel was importing an exactly where in cali .what your implying is an assumption .what im saying is what was told first hand from the Originator



1luvbigherb

 

[coop]

They where the heads. Meaning the ones who where seeking out those great herbs from wherever.

I wasn't around back then either but there's connections between the BOEL and Mafia too. They just where not in Cali. It was a lot of academics and rich people and the like involved in the group. There where only few people who had the resources back in the day to move product like that anyway.

And your connection is Sam anyway as he stated...

 

[bigherb]

They where the heads. Meaning the ones who where seeking out those great herbs from wherever.

I wasn't around back then either but there's connections between the BOEL and Mafia too. They just where not in Cali. It was a lot of academics and rich people and the like involved in the group. There where only few people who had the resources back in the day to move product like that anyway.

And your connection is Sam anyway as he stated...

If i recall correct there were a few guys who werent connected with Boel known for importing Large or some kind of shipments back in the day .I think there was a pilot in Cocanie cowboys who was one of the smugglers frist brought Bud in .How about Gorge jung didnt he import high grade of the time before his switch .


You know it makes me ponder or should I say think outloud cause ive pondered this before .If i were around back than i imagine i would have been spoke about abit LMAO ,Seriously though .To be sucessful you have to have brains but most of all Balls



What did Sams say about Boel an there connection to haze ,I dont recall Nann nada


This is the only post i found which he talks about Boel below ,

I smoked some BOEL pot back in the late 60's but never saw any strains that were maintained in any way. I suspect they were lost or maybe used to make hybrids. This is pre-clones and strains had to be maintained by seed lines, and that is a lot more work and a lot harder. That is why we don't see them any more.

-SamS

This doesnt imply he knew much or had much experience with there strains

1luvbigherb

 

[SomeOtherGuy]

again i apologise for the mess herb, all my previous posts are now gone.

i'd also like to apologise to you too coop as the original poster and to everyone else involved in this discussion for all the trouble, i was attacked and i responded poorly and i have to live with that.

...in time i hope my heart and my mind will become more clear to those who bother to get to know me.

again i apologise for my ignorant disruption.

Peace, SOG

 

[JetLife]

it takes a big man to admit when they are wrong, or acted poorly.


lots of respect for you sog.

i dont care what they say about ya, you're okay in my book. hahaha.

 

[bigherb]

again i apologise for the mess herb, all my previous posts are now gone.

i'd also like to apologise to you too coop as the original poster and to everyone else involved in this discussion for all the trouble, i was attacked and i responded poorly and i have to live with that.

...in time i hope my heart and my mind will become more clear to those who bother to get to know me.

again i apologise for my ignorant disruption.

Peace, SOG

I appreciate you being a man of your word


Hopfully you'll stick around ,I look forward to seeing more of your productive side


1luvbigherb

 

[SomeOtherGuy]

I appreciate you being a man of your word


Hopfully you'll stick around ,I look forward to seeing more of your productive side


1luvbigherb

thanks for understanding man and i really am sorry for dumping in this thread, neither you nor coop did me any wrong and deserved none if it.

as for my sticking around, i really appreciate your willingness to give me a second chance to make a first impression.

...and i REALLY like this freedom stuff, it's messy and sometimes ugly but it also engenders a certain creativity, i've never been in an un-moderated site before, nor have i ever been attacked so personally before, so my tactics for dealing with the fleas this freedom attracts is still evolving.

...anyway, i expect i'll be keeping mostly to my own thread for a while, i'd rather not be responsible for bringing these fleas into someone elses thread because i am unable to delete what they post and they now follow me around.

...which in a sense is a good thing because it makes them easy to see.

Peace, and stay safe, SOG

 

[bigherb]

Sams Reply to my article

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman
I read this and have to say it is mostly correct, a few minor points are off. I do not want to nit-pick.
In the past I have read so much crap about the Haze it was nice to see the mostly true facts for a change.
I was in all the greenhouses that G and R.L. used to grow, they were not big or fancy. G's first crop was outdoors in the Santa Cruz mountains, they used greenhouses as soon as they could. In the beginning both lived separately just a block or two from my place, I was a close friend of both.
Remember, I was given permission to use and reproduce the genes and the name the Original Haze back in the 70's. Not that most people care, but I did.
As far as I know I am the only one with un-hybridized Haze. Only used for breeding it is amazing what happens when you use it to make Haze/Whatever hybrids, amazing.

-SamS

Inside i couldnt wait to see if he would Respond an now it has happened .I feel complete in my mission of bring the Truth of the True origins of haze to the community


To all those who believed me when i first came across my discovery thanks for the encoragement an to all the haters an Non believers well ,it was more motivation to get as much solid evidence as possible .I have abit more than whats posted but as Shanti says proofs in the pudding



1luvbigherb

 

[Kangativa]

Hi mate............"Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman
I read this and have to say it is mostly correct, a few minor points are off. I do not want to nit-pick.
In the past I have read so much crap about the Haze it was nice to see the mostly true facts for a change.
I was in all the greenhouses that G and R.L. used to grow, they were not big or fancy. G's first crop was outdoors in the Santa Cruz mountains, they used greenhouses as soon as they could. In the beginning both lived separately just a block or two from my place, I was a close friend of both.
Remember, I was given permission to use and reproduce the genes and the name the Original Haze back in the 70's. Not that most people care, but I did.
As far as I know I am the only one with un-hybridized Haze. Only used for breeding it is amazing what happens when you use it to make Haze/Whatever hybrids, amazing.

-SamS"


Thats exactly the same with the Mullum

 

[bushweed]

Hi mate. I think you're referring to this...

So I pm'ed Sam Skunkman over at ICmag to guage his reaction... He did say that the Mullumbimby Madness brought to Holland by Shanti was in fact developed by him in the 70's when he was visiting Byron Bay!

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Herb

Dang me !



Are you the 7th Son of a 7th Son ?

Thanks for sharin

Elmer Bud

 

[bigherb]

Kanga

a quoted post from IC i was hopin you would respond to

Me for one

Well done mate and that is from both of us, of course there is 1 disagreement , but hey thats to be expected..lol
No honestly mate, you put the time into it and its come out well...my hat is off to you

The bold text is somthing ive pondered on as i read it again .I take it you imply you and Nevil as in both of us.

Now im very curious to know what the disagreement may be about ?Im open to Discussion an welcome all opinions

As ive said before ,i didnt exspect such positive reactions .But there is much evidence on the net aside from what else i know that confirms what i have suggested aswell as a few others .

Thanks again

Too add now we have Sams confirmation


1luvbigherb

 

[orangutang]

What a pitiful article, just absolute shite.

And you get your 'confirmation' from a DEA stooge who was still in high school when Haze was developed.

Pathetic. Not one piece of solid evidence to be seen, just bullshit by lowlifes.

 

[itsbenfun]

I think it confirms a lot of things hard evidence or not like the AC theory, the "y" factor and the male driven line. Someone had a bad ass male Thai and put it to the original haze.

 

[bigherb]

What a pitiful article, just absolute shite.

And you get your 'confirmation' from a DEA stooge who was still in high school when Haze was developed.

Pathetic. Not one piece of solid evidence to be seen, just bullshit by lowlifes.

Your spoke your mind an not respectfully

Id appreciate if you have nothing positive to add you would not post in this thread

I did not get my Info from any Ratta ,if you refer to Sams he had nothin to do with my article .


No solid evidence it seems that the poster would be some evidence ,along with me speaking with one of the brothers an havin thnigs confirmed by Sams i cant see what more can be posted publicly

I was just havin a Pm convo an Its soo true that some folk just wont except certain things .Now thats fine but dod it respectfully

 

[Kangativa]

Kanga

a quoted post from IC i was hopin you would respond to






The bold text is somthing ive pondered on as i read it again .I take it you imply you and Nevil as in both of us.

Now im very curious to know what the disagreement may be about ?Im open to Discussion an welcome all opinions

As ive said before ,i didnt exspect such positive reactions .But there is much evidence on the net aside from what else i know that confirms what i have suggested aswell as a few others .

Thanks again

Too add now we have Sams confirmation


1luvbigherb

Hi mate.....I believe it was something to do with a male, not 100% sure as it was stoned talk, but I wouldnt lose sleep over it as it was just a passing comment and definetly not worth a discussion

 

[orangutang]

Doesn't confirm anything, it's just a reiteration of Sam's bullshit and if you knew that guy then you would know what a nasty piece of work he is.

Sam landed at Schiphol in 1985 with his DEA handler Michael Rich and a bagful of seeds, almost certainly he got busted along with all the other guys involved in Sacred Seeds (which Sam now claims was just him alone) and made a deal to avoid going to jail for a lengthy period, that makes him a rat and rats are the lowest forms of life, anyone who's sat in a jail cell after being ratted on will agree with me on that.

Haze existed in the 60s, all this tale of the Haze Bros and Santa Cruz is just bullshit to make Sam look like the guru of ganja. Sam claims they started with Mexican and Colombian seeds and added Thai and South Indian, well, it probably is true they started growing in 71 (only 5-6 years after Sam left high school) but to claim they then bred Haze from scratch is pure, unadulterated bullshit.

Sam mixed in just enough truth to make his story somewhat credible, but it's undeniable Haze existed before 1971 and whatever bullshit Sam likes to spread.

Let's apply a little logic, in early 65 the US Marines landed in 'Nam, so within a few months US servicemen were returning home injured or on RnR, we know for a fact they brought Thai dope back with them and it was mind-blowing. This was also the time people were getting back to the earth and starting to grow their own dope.

You can't grow a pure Thai in Cali, and if you did, it wouldn't give you much weight, remember that pure Thais never produced proper buds, hence the Thai Stick - they stripped the smokeable stuff off and bundled it together, otherwise you would just have a ton of sticks with a few calyxes, that is how pure Thais grow.

Grow a pure Thai in Cali and by January it still wouldn't be done and you wouldn't have much that was smokeable even if it did finish. However, they did have strains from south of the border that did finish, Mexicans mostly, a few Colombians too, grow a pure Mexican from Oaxaca or Michoacan in Cali and you get productive plants with nice big colitas, plenty of weight for your efforts. These growers weren't stupid, they would have crossed the Thai to their established strains. That is where Haze came from, beyond that, we will never know more details.

But to claim it happened in 1971 is pure bullshit. I expect some guys in Santa Cruz did start their work in 1971 but for them to then go on to claim they invented Haze is bullshit.

Bigherb says he loves incense, seems he prefers to indulge in nonsense.

Hey, bigherb, next time you communicate with Sam, ask him about Michael Rich, the Sacred Seeds bust and his DEA ties, you know, the things that really matter when it comes to that guy.

 

[coop]

You can't grow a pure Thai in Cali, and if you did, it wouldn't give you much weight, remember that pure Thais never produced proper buds, hence the Thai Stick - they stripped the smokeable stuff off and bundled it together, otherwise you would just have a ton of sticks with a few calyxes, that is how pure Thais grow.

This whole line here is bullshit, misconstrued from what people could'nt read in Marijuana Botany.

if you have a copy look at page 18

Thai
Planted May 25, 1977
Begins Flowering Sept 15
There are multiple harvest dates listed as it was seeded but the other notes cleary show it was ready in November

Also yielded 298grams.
then 177 later.