hey bigherb,
was looking thru some old files i had and came across some a strainbase from about 2000
some interesting notes here:
Haze Strains Sativa
Origin: California, USA Breeder: Nevil
"Haze is a late sativa from America, widely agreed by experts to be the best pot in the world. Very popular in the 70's, it nearly became extinct in recent years as growers switched to easier varieties. We managed to salvage a few viable seeds from the last crop grown in America and we have used them to produce some remarkable hybrids. Haze is known for an extreme, almost psychedelic spaciness. The fragrance is complex and deep with a dry flowery perfume over a base of dark leathery animal tones. When used in a hybrid it adds fascinating notes of depth and complexity to the taste, as well as a unique addition to the high. While not for everyone, the most jaded connoisseur will often find haze irresistible”. –The Seed Bank catalog, 1988
"Regarding …Haze, Ed Rosenthal says he knows (it was) developed by Cultivators' Choice in California in the 70's”
“Haze is the most difficult and challenging of any strain, perhaps Thai sativas also. Haze takes a long time, in a recent interview Ben Dronkers said a true Haze takes 8 months to flower! Yow! In fact, Haze seeds are very pale, never dark. A seeded Haze takes upwards of 16 - 20 weeks for good seeds. The high is pulse racing, I would say even paranoid. In fact, I have reservations about recommending Haze, because I have seen irregular behavior in some of its regulars. I think Haze is extremely powerful and cannot be used casually, because it plays to deep emotions is what I have observed. That said, it also makes a difficult cross because often a cross with Haze imparts the Haze flowering time and modest yield but not its intense & dominating high. Ideal crosses would see the Haze stone with a quicker delivery, but in my opinion Haze does not cross indicas well, its better suited to a sativa, whether that be a Skunk (as in Super Silver Haze) or another. I prefer the sativa high of a Durban, Hawaiian Sativa, Sensi Skunk, Joker's Haze/Skunk (not a replica of any Dutch strain). I must say Willy Jack is busy trying to find the perfect Haze cross, as he has crossed Haze with Black Domina, Big Bud, Jack Herer, Early Girl, Hindu Kush, William's Wonder, and maybe others I've forgot in order to find the perfect cross, maybe take the 'edge' off the Haze as well as the desirable quickening of flowering." - Marc Emery
“Good luck finding pure haze, I sure didn't get it. My success was planting 6 seeds from Positronics through Jock, kept them in the fridge until germ, and got a 50% germination rate. Of the 3, one turned to be a beautiful male, with a sativa/indica profile, but nice internode lengths, medium green medium wide leaves, heavily serrated. Collected the pollen.... The other two turned out hermie like, one very hermie which unloaded its pollen on some others, the other which a few days before harvest started showing weird misshapen male parts in the midst of the female flowers. The calyxes were very purple as well as the underneath of the small, wide, dark green bud leaves - very indica looking. No pollen released on this one.
Am I disappointed? You bet. Had visions of pollinating a real, pure, sativa haze with some of my babes.
From everything I've read, haze has been bastardized by the Dutch, it's no longer pure. You don't know what you're getting until you've "groaned" it out.
Being a little cynical, I don't think I'm going to order from overseas anymore. Read another post that the haze another grower got from Homegrown Fantaseeds was very afghan like. Heard also that Positronics, Dutch Passion and Homegrown are all affiliated, so, if I were ordering from of these banks and they all had the "same" strain, I would go with the best price. Homegrown is able to up its prices based on the awards won on some of its stock at the Cup. This kind of crap will eventually hurt the Dutch. A lot of their stuff is prone to herms, a big negative as far as I'm concerned. Think their interest lies in profits rather than breeding out rotten genotypes. If I am paying $4 to $25 a seed, I want a first class product, with no misrepresentation from some flowery ads. Unfortunately we can't turn to the BBB to claim. Be sure to ask your distributor if he will guarantee his stock as the real deal.” - Uncle Ben Dejo
“I know which one not to buy. I grew Homegrown Fantaseed's Haze and it had no potency what so ever. It looks to be a Haze/indica F1 with the indica being very dominant in the high. I have a bunch of seeds from it that may or may not be worth growing out. In closing, don't bother with this version of Haze.” – RedDevil
“I have tried HGF's Haze. It most certainly is not the real deal. There is a lot of indica bred into it. I'm not sure if there is any real original Haze in it at all or if they just called it Haze for sales reasons. It grew well, cloned easily and even had a great pineapple smell. The potency on the other hand was not there at all Sativa/indica or otherwise. Don't do it.” -RedDevil
Original Haze Mostly Sativa
Origin: California/Holland Breeder: Positronics
“Strong compact plant, very high. This homogenous Sativa type weed originates from Nepal and contains a high level of THC. Grow it from fertile
Origin: California/Holland Breeder: Positronics
“Strong compact plant, very high. This homogenous Sativa type weed originates from Nepal and contains a high level of THC. Grow it from fertile soil and add nursery supplements to the water. This excellent quality strain grows up to 1,75 meter and is especially loved by musicians around the world. 100%Sativa,a hard plant to grow but famous for its special qualities.A classic Sativa high,and good results for those who do not mind to wait a little longer. Strong, compact plant, mellow. Original lambsbreath from Jamaica. Pure Sativa with light Skunk crossing. Flowering time 10 or 12 weeks. (1st two weeks 14 hours of light / 8 weeks 12 hours of light / last 2 weeks 10 hours of light). Has Narrow leaves, a Plant with yellow-whitish long buds.
Type : Stabilized F1-Hybrid, 88% Sativa Flowering time : 8 - 12 weeks
Cultivation : Inside, outside and greenhouse Appearance : Slender leaves Aroma : Spicy odour Height : 1.50 - 1.75 m Yield : 400 - 500 grams” – Positronics seedbank catalog
"Haze (Katsu coffee shop) This place came highly recommended to me from Tony at Sagarmatha.
They are said to have "the best Haze in all of Holland". Trippy buzz with a similar taste to the Kali but not quite the same. Very, very cerebral in nature. Like the onset of LSD right before it really kicks in. Some what apprehensive feeling with heart racing aspects. This bud is for experienced smokers only. It could really freak out a newbi consumer."-Prince Caspian
"The most mind-blowing weed BY FAR, that I've ever smoked (in 25 years of steady smoking) is Haze. It's like taking LSD. I can't even rate a second or third because NOTHING ELSE COMES CLOSE TO HAZE." –Mr Soul
"Cleaner, cerebral buzz from the pure sativa. Haze is a super sativa of four sativas; Colombian, Mexican, Thai, and South Indian. Haze is one of the few genuine, pure sativas in existence (from BC Seeds catalog). Mine is the original haze from positronics. It has very long, slim fan leaves. the plants are so limp that the large new fans make the tops droop over kinda like a sunflower. its definately a pure sativa strain. toke it easy on mature haze. i have some original haze barely budding and its already a killer. did our haze have long skinny leaves and limpy plants? haven't got to try any mature bud
yet,but the 2 week into flowering green tips give me a better buzz than mature durban bud. unfortunately i just had to put them outside into a longer light cycle so maturity will probably be delayed. i do believe it will be some of the best of the bunch when mature." -Toker2
"The original Haze from Positronics, which is a stabilized hybrid is said to produce 5-10% special plants and be 75% female. Out of 5 mother plants, there is one that is a little different from the others. The leaves are a tad bit wider and the plant is definately showing more vigor than its sisters." -Toker2
"That's what I thought, Wernard at Positronics got one of the original clones. I got a handle on the general growing characteristics, how's the high? Is the Posi. Haze as potent as the Haze reputation?" - Uncle Ben
"In the seventies we tried several times to grow original haze in the uk all to no avail we were using cool white and grolux and didn’t know about hid’s. in the eighties we tried again using 100w per sq ft the selected ladies took 15 to 18 weeks on 12h and the start of amber glands. some of these were still growing at 18w and would probably need less hrs to stop them. I don’t think the so called hazes offered in Holland can be the same thing some quote 8 weeks some 9. Over the years we made a number of crosses with short time indicas the last two were the best [see post 24 ] . The high was very high, not at all paranoid, some people reported coloured edges to their vision unfortunately not me. We found it just too expensive and difficult to grow but it has left us with some high yielding hybrids with a touch of the haze high as a memory. The shortest we got the time down to was with super skunk m x o~haze f = 10w and o~haze m x ss f = 9w at 12hrs." -Oldtimer1
“I just finished some Positronics original haze for the most part under 44w/sq'.the clones were taken from outdoor mothers. The outdoor buds at 7 weeks had far better potency and taste than the indoors had at 12 weeks. It did make some righteous size buds indoors and a nice yield, approx. 2 oz/plant. Unfortunately, it just didn't have the kick of its outdoor mother. I really believe haze needs far more lumens.” – toker2
“Haze is a sativa hybrid. If I remember right, they mentioned Mexican, Colombian and Thai in varying degrees. This would explain some of the variation I saw in the hybrids Nevil sent me. Some of the extreme sativa characteristics included one plant with a 6" sport in 24hrs. That happened right after the induction of flowering. Outdoors they would have been giants.” - Lady J
“Posi haze is mostly Colombian x Mexican with small amounts of Thai and south Indian. It was created by "the Haze brothers" in California 20 years ago.”
“Our Haze is indeed from Posi's genetics, the flowering times do differ. Hydro tends to be quicker. Bio (in soil) we find can take 1 - 2 weeks longer. 10 - 13 weeks would be most likely on a hydro base. Of course there is some variation from grow room to grow room, even though it's the same strain. Haze is one of our most popular strains and is well worth the wait. A real up high of cosmic proportions.” - Homegrown Fantasy seedbank
“This sounds close to my strain, except the very best go to between 16 and 18 weeks, Homegrown Fantasy must have done what they call improving the strain to reduce the hrs to 10 to 13 because that’s not what Positronics started with. In fact it is very close to what you get with an F1 cross between original haze and original skunk No 1 which is probably closer to the truth. The other thing is to grow original haze well indoors light levels in excess of 100 w per s.f. are needed its not an economical crop.” - Oldtimer1
Haze X Northern Lights Indica/Sativa mix
Origin: Holland Breeder: Nevil
"1988 Catalog the Seed Bank introduced a Haze X NL #1 hybrid. In 1989 they introduced Haze X NL #5. Today the Sensi Seed Bank offers NL#5 X Haze. I do not know if the listing of Haze first in the "Name" as opposed to the listing today of NL#5 first in the "Name" has any real bearing on the formulation of this cross. I do know that the 88 version and the 89 version were indeed different.
88 version (Haze X NL#1 ) states ‘Haze X Northern lights has been the most reliable haze hybrid so far and is our favorite smoke. It is a bit stretchy and difficult to grow but well worth it".
1989 version:
"Due to tremendous customer demand, we have spent years searching for a superb Sativa/ Indica hybrid that is suited for indoor growing but still retains the unique sativa qualities in the high. The Haze X NL#5 hybrid is the result of this search. A note of warning: Adverse effects have been known to occur among inexperienced smokers, particularly when combined with alcohol. Side effects may include nausea, dizzyness, fainting and loss of bowel and bladder control. Extreme introspective behavior is considered normal"
"One item that may be of interest is that in the 1988 Catalog the Seed Bank introduced a Haze X NL #1 hybrid. In 1989 they introduced Haze X NL #5. Today the Sensi Seed Bank offers NL#5 X Haze. I do not know if the listing of Haze first in the "Name" as opposed to the listing today of NL#5 first in the "Name" has any real bearing on the formulation of this cross. I do know that the 88 version and the 89 version were indeed different.
"I grew that strain in '89 and your right, one of the wildest highs I have ever had from pot. The pistils must have been almost an inch long when they were fresh. It took 4 months for them to come but I never regreted it after the first stone." -Lady J
"Your main problem will be getting any real original haze I don't think its available in Holland the last people to sell it were positronics there stock went to Dutch passion and I think they are selling a version of haze modified by them as they state a finish time of 9 to 10 weeks to suit the hurry up boys. Original haze takes at least 14 weeks and the best ones 16 to 18 weeks."-Oldtimer1
Neville’s Haze Mostly Sativa
Origin: California/Holland Breeder: Nevil Schoenbottom, Green House Seed Co. “Pedigree: Almost pure Haze with just a hint of Indica (Northern Lights).
Strength: The most potent variety of its kind on or off the market. Not recommended for inexperienced smokers - too trippy - too profound.
Flowering Times: Indoors: should be started under 12 hours of lights. The earliest will finish in 14 weeks (25%). Those that take much longer than this are usually discarded as not practical.
Outdoors: should be grown in the Tropics + started just before the on set of autumn. Yields are surprisingly good - the longer flowering time is usually compensated with extra large yields, both in and outdoors. Not for the novice smoker or grower.” – Green House Seed Co. catalog
“The plants are still in early flowering. They were started Feb 23 under a 400W HPS on a 14 hour light/10 hour dark schedule. After that, light period was slowly decreased for two weeks, at which time, they were put on 12/12 and flowered(about March 10). Sometime in late March or early April (I forget) the damned old hps bulb went dead! Fortunately, the weather had warmed up so that I could take them outside during the afternoon, and inside under a bank of florescents for some hours after that. Now, it's warmed up enough to leave outside for 11 hours each day. I selected two females and one male which had the pure haze phenotype, and discarded(gave away)all the rest. From the first, these seedlings had extremely long, slender leaves. One female had very drooping leaves to boot. It was my intention to let the male fully pollinate the females for seeds. Well, they've been in flowering about 6 weeks now, but stretching is just now slowing down. I'm expecting another 8 or more weeks till finish. It was a mistake to flower them so soon as the tallest is only 2 ft., but I did take clones from the females which I'll veg to 7 in., and those should stretch to about 5 ft. once they're flowered. As I said, the ones I selected appear to be pure haze with no indication of NL! Some of the ones I let go were about a third NL, but these are pure! At least, for outward traits, and apparently, for hidden traits as well. Leaves are the longest and most slender that I've ever seen! Yield is very poor at this point! The top bud site looks like a small marble on top of a two foot pole. I don't know, it's hard to judge what the final yield would be on an unseeded, sinsemilla plant. I'm pretty sure that a five foot plant would have a fair yield. Grown in the tropics, this strain would easily get to 20 ft., and have an enormous yield, but indoors-no! It is definitely not suitable for SOG. But, if you're like me, you'd rather have a little of the best there is, than a lot of some other.”
Northern Lights #5 X Haze Indica/Sativa
Origin: Holland Breeder: Nevil Schoenbottom, Sensi Seed Bank
“This hybrid is the pinnacle of achievement in Cannabis breeding today. The result: an extremely potent plant with a great Sativa high. In the 1994 harvest festival this variety was miles ahead of its competitors. The high yields compensate for the slightly longer flowering period. Hybrid vigour provides for lush growth, heavy bud formation and abundant resin. A true champion!
Flowering: 65-75 days / 11 weeks Height: 150-180 cm. Yield: up to 150 gr.” – Sensi Seed Bank catalog description
“Big plant with big leaves. Light green. It will grow to 15 feet tall outdoors. Will produce 4-6 ounces per plant. An extremely sweet smell. A unique and high quality stone.
Flowering: 9-10 weeks Yield: up to 100 grams” - Richie´s catalog description
“It is the "ultimate". Can do a wake-and-bake without turning into a couch potato. Needs lots of lights. Stretches like a sativa. But gets plenty of crystals. Hash made from those crystals, put into the nation's water supply ... uh I forgot what I was going to say. Anyway, it's gooood. And, it's probably not the best for a newbie, it can put them away like when you eat too much. Trip to the hospital, etc. -- no shit, this happened to a friend of mine. (It created diabetes complications. Extreme hypoglycemia. So make sure you've got plenty of nutrition bars from your obnoxious network marketing friends, drink lots of water, and you'll be better prepared. Your brain cells are going to be going on a rocket trip ... they need lots of fuel !! But be careful ... if you go shopping under the influence of this stuff you'll spend too much money before you know it. I would suggest the NL5xHaze. Heavy yielder, great sativa buzz however it does take a little longer (70 days) but worth the wait if its for your head.” – Rooot
“A-1 I got some of those seed from Nevil in 88 and I've seen it make many experienced smokers do strange things-throw up, anxiety attacks-honest to goodness. I just recieved an order of Sensi Seeds version of it and cant wait to compare it. I think Nevils seeds from the old Seed Bank days were great.” – Stix
“The haze/nl5 I had was the most visual, near acid-like high I have ever had. 10-12 weeks to finish and worth every nailbiting day of it (imo). You will also be pleasantly surprised with the yield too. Haze must be VERY dominant in that hybrid judging by the high. The NL just keeps the flowering under 16 weeks more than anything. They didn't call Nevil "the king" for nothing... I had one plant stretch 6" overnight! No lie. That Haze is something completely different from most sativas. When Nevil released that strain he was the only one with pure NL5 AND pure Haze both of which he found in the States.” - Lady J.
“Was it you that had experience with NLxHaze? I now have two from Sensi that are growing like wildfire in my flowering closet. They have almost taken over. My question is are these girls going to be worth the trouble they are causing. If not I am thinking of ripping them out now. It is really running on me. Has to be the Haze. Here's to hoping it is all you say. I will tough it out. I had a similar problem with NLxHaze from the bc seed co. These did not preflower.They full on began to flower at about 6-7 weeks.When it became apparent that they would continue, I moved them into the flowering area. After a decent harvest, I revegged all three and after about 5-6 weeks they began to flower automatically AGAIN. I have bred these plats and their offspring have just begun to break soil. I'll just go with the flow and play jr.scientist trying to find out if it was enviromental or genetic. It was great and worth the money but still not the best I ever had... growing conditions could have been a little better. The buzz was powerful and very up heady, a little disorientating and a good laster. Taste wasunique kind of a lime flavor with a fruity-tooty hint. mellow burn. excellent stuff but I have had stronger in jamacia. slow-slow-slow grower and quite pricey for the seed bank seeds. I may have gotten better results had I waited longer and dryed longer. I still have 5 seeds left and 4 clones so I am going to refine my growing techniuqe. but it will be a long time for 2nd set of results. would I recommend it yes but maybe not on limited funds or for the impatient grower. I love the taste though and the buzz... awesome!” – Turbo
“Remember how my NL5xHaze budded on auto? Well the harvest was somewhat small as a result, but the bud was damned stoney. At about 6 weeks reveg the plants went on autobud again so into flowering they went.Larger this time.” – sb
"Being a big fan of this original cross by Nevil of The Seed Bank, I’ve been waiting for the chance to grow out Sensi's version of it. The original was the most potent, devasting high I’ve ever had the pleasure of growin. The best plants leaned to the indica side in her traits, finish was longish but worth it, with tight, large, crystally buds. Sensi's version today, however, doesn’t come close to the original in any way. Its mostly sativa, LOOSE buds, potency at best average, and Ive honestly lost track how long they've been budding, and 90% of females not finished yet. I dont really think any of the females(9) I got from this order will be worth keeping, to say the least Im very disappointed, since I have recommended this strain to so many people. Perhaps the successful grows of this strain use a mega amount of light since mine is only 40 watts ft/sq. or else it was my turn to be unlucky with the females in my order, but Id never recommend this to anyone again. I know time makes the memories better, but I swear the strains from 85-90 from SSSC and The Seed Bank were much better than most of what we get today, or am I getting old? It seems the hybrid vigor of the crosses from that era were much more vigorous than crosses today." -stix
“This hydro is light green with scarce long, red hairs and very crystally buds. It breaks up very easily and emits a sweet green scent, characteristic to Northern Lights. The buds are surprisingly much denser than they seem. Smoked, the buds are smooth but very expansive in the lungs and will certainly leave you coughing. The taste has a mild overall bouquet if not a bit bland. The high comes on quickly but is mild and relaxing, and even a bit spacey. *** 1/4” – Homepage Amsterdam
“As for the nl5xhaze, I tried it both on e f table with 40+ watts/s.f. and in e-f trays with much less light, about 30 watts/s.f. Using GH nutes with fox farm and EJ Catalyst in both systems. Most plants in strain outgrew table and were moved to trays but a couple stayed short enough and bloomed profusely- large as a football and loose as could be. Ones in trays were more sativa and finished bout 6 feet and were more potent with better-looking buds, though still loose. They are covered with resin. More light would have been a big plus and perhaps the sole reason my results weren’t as good as your own. Air turnover every minute in both grows. I’m not as disappointed since I've sampled them since they’ve matured, the early samples weren’t too potent at all-I think they were worth the effort cause they do express the haze pretty well in the smoke and that’s always a treat.” - stix
“I have a few NL#5 Haze that I have just harvested, I was really happy with the product produced. Fat tight buds, minimal stretching. and mine was from Mike, straight from Sensi. Mine gained height of around 5 and a half-foot, they yielded pretty well as well. I bent them over and it increased the yield.” – Mirage
“I've just finished growing out ten NL#5 x Haze females. Firstly the seeds were bought in Sensi for USD 150.- You get 16 seeds to a pack. Germination saw 15 seeds pop, out of which 5 were males. I let the plants vegetate until 2 feet in height - mistake. On going to 12/12 the plants took off towards the ceiling. They eventually reached 6 feet and were a regular pain in the ass to look after; buds bending
branches over, running buds etc.... (I'm using 600W HPS in a 5 x 5 grow room). The plants were just about mature after 75-80 days.
I'm now in the process of drying and curing with the intention of selecting the best mother afterwards for regen. and cloning.
I must say that I'm disappointed in the quality at this point. The buds I've smoked so far have had a really nice taste and are very smooth to smoke. The high, however, leaves something to be desired. Although I haven't sampled the best bits on each plant I have yet to come across a NLH bud which flattens me. Sensi say this is 'extremely potent' grass. What does this mean ? Extremely potent for whom exactly ? I'm a joint-a-day man for years and my intention in buying these expensive seeds was to grow a really potent strain to have for my 'experienced' buddies.
There seems to be a high variability in potency among the ten plants. My experience tells me that I'm not going to find a killer here. Manicuring a cola from a plant always gives me a clue to its potency. I use a scissors and if it gets clogged up by resin I know I have a good smoke. Only one of these plants had this ability. However, I'm reserving final judgement until the plants are fully dry and mostly cured (about another 3 weeks) before I start ranting and raving.
Tips for growers of this strain : Put on 12/12 when plant is under 12 inches. Maturity will take 75-85 days. You need LOTS of light. Yield is o.k Cloning is easy - I've tried it. The buds will be fluffy, not tight. No major smell problems with this strain.” -Harry H.
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