The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

  • Thread starter Thread starter coop
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Urban Farms said:
: This is for Big Herb:Frankies was the most sought after haze variety to come out of New York City. The name Frankies derived from frankincense which is a trait that is unmistakable highly desired and cannot be forgotten by anyone who has just one toke. Derived from slang used by the older guys who kept the strain in circulation. It is thought of by anyone who was lucky enough to have the experience, simply as the best.
This lead my quest in search to find the source of Frankies, Washington heights known to the New Yorkers as the home of the haze.


Hi I'm new to this site And have been reading a lot of the haze post. I'm not here to make waves but let me say something now. That Haze that has been in new york Mainly Washington Heights that the Dominicans have controlled and been selling sense the early 90s To about mid 2000 when everyone turn to Diesel mid 2006 I believe. Any real Dominican that was controlling washington heights would tell you that it was being smuggled from Miami, FL .... Now speaking from experience I still have many friends In Washington heights and that haze with the smell you call frankies My friend is what the Cubans called the "BLACK HAZE"..... That particular Haze pheno my friend Is a Cut that Mainly us Cubans controlled back in Miami.... Every Haze that went to new york was brought and controeld by dominiquens. About the pheno well it is a early 90s haze so Im sure it is the NL#5 X HAZE witch is a super yielder and the only one that has that frankie smell. Now remember same seed stock hase diffrent phenos but that frankie pheno is what us Cubans call the Black Haze...And any Dominican that was pushing weight and selling Haze Knows were they got it . It aint no secret That 99.99% of all haze That went to NY Wasington heights came from Miami..From us Cubans to Are Latin brother Los Dominicanos .... And thats Real Kid...:cool:
Click to expand...


Welcome

thanks for sharing your experience an knowledge

I take it your from Nyc ,i also take it that you might be a few years younger than me .As Ive said before if you or anyone refers to Nyc haze as piff you werent around when Frankies was common an abudant .i was goin uptown abit before the term was coined .

As for the Blacks several Ot's that are respected on the net have given there opinion an one particular Cocktail frank who is quite familiar with Mango haze ,NYC haze an Black haze says the black haze is different to what we grew up on


snice my time on the net ive had these NYC haze discussions .There are several threads one the subject soo i dont want to get much into it ,a piff one here where we speak about possible lineage an sources an several at Ic an THc farm


Id like to share to quotes

my post an below is th eone i refer to

NL5hz/NL1hz/silver haze /posi Ohaze of 90 are all possible lineage to our nyc haze n hybrids.I cant find it but sure i will some day soon its only one man experience/word but if i recall he stated he experienced Nyc haze before the SB release dates ,aside from this My older cousin smoked Frank for his fist time in 90 ,Soo that'd be some coincedince that a year later or the same year it arrived in the rotten apple
Click to expand...


Originally Posted by The Baphomet
bigherb, I received 6 cuts of the church around 94 and ran her for a few years at a few different locations and lost her around 97-98 . The cut was given to me by commercial grower friend who couldn't run her because of the long flowering cycle and he was running faster finishing $tuff , he never told me where he got it from and I never bothered to ask .
As for the origin of the church I have no idea ,all I now is that it was a haze . The first time I smoked it was around 85-86 and it was from a spot in Harlem , they sold dimes of it and they where the smallest dimes you saw in those days but three of use would be totally whacked off one joint that we usually smoked in the last car of the train on the ride home from the spot .
There was another Haze that floated around NY in the mid to late 90's called the pepper or pepper-head it was also a killa haze . A few years ago I got a p from NY that was labeled nlhaze that was very church like .
I have 7 more of these Thunk seeds IM going to wait till this one is done before I pop a few more because space is kinda limited to the sd right now
Click to expand...

Its only one man post/opinion but its been proven one man makes a difference ,thats real talk



1luvbigherb
 
Shelby said:
Hey big herb no offense but if every year haze was bred why are you only counting the first year as true haze. Wouldn't every version of haze ie col Mex , col Mex Thai, col Mex thai south Indian all be considered haze and if if was bred in Santa Cruz wouldn't every year still be Santa Cruz haze. Not trying to discredit you but why wouldn't you consider what happened after the first year haze, it's not like after they bred col Mex thy moved they're breeding grounds or something. Maybe I'm missing it but I don't see why only the first year in haze. Hopefully you'll fill me in.
Click to expand...

Santa cruz original Haze is a pure colombian punto rojo

You missed my point

i was talkin theoroitcally of the story that was reported or understood from Sams an R.c info .The story of the mex ,thai ,S.indian addition

Haze was not bred until Sams got his hands on it ,this my point an what ive reported in the article .


1luvbigherb




Only he can tell you what mex ,lumbo ,thai ,s.indian an he has given me a description of some types such as santa marta ,wackyweed ,acapulco ,keralan
 
Ok bro I get what your saying now about it not being bred until afterwards. Thanks for clearing that up and congrats on getting your article published.
 
gambler said:
is it possible that Haze is the most over hyped plant ever?
Click to expand...

Its all depending on your opinion an what suits you

But its obviously after 41 years one of the most desired sought after strains with acclaim from coast to coast aswell as over seas .Its hybrids are still winning awards an have done soo for many years .


1luvbigherb
 
I know people who have grown for decades and by my 2nd year of gowing i was showing them stuff. I have 100x more passion for plants than them. More of a drive better knowlwedge about nutes genetics pheno/geno/chemotypes phytos and endos. My knowledge have kicked fuck out of there experience. Most of the things i have learned came from observations then i went to the net to confirm what i observe. It all depends on your passion for genetics over ego and or money. Its not about the time spent its what you have done in that time that counts. TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE NOT SOME1 ELSES.

Nice article bigherb really enjoyed it sam didnt know his ass from his elbow thats why skunk was made famous by neville and ssh and nh is used more in breeding than oh. What did nev do that sam couldn`t/didn`t.

PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING!!!
 
HAZE

johnthepiper said:
No, it's all it's cracked up to be.
Click to expand...

no its one of the best plants ever developed. but this guy big herb has never even grown one he just serches for storys about haze. hes on every forum talking about a strain he has never even grown nor has any of his own pictures to share with us. he wants us to post our pics but doesnt want to post his for security reasons that is bull shit to me
 
You looking to be the next hempy there?


Why dont you stick to ripping off sick people
 
coop said:
An indicator of true haze lineage is the appearance of a red sap when you cut a true haze plant. This indicator particularly showed itself in the purple pheno
Click to expand...

I ran a LSD mazar pheno with red sap a while back, the stems where purple, it had spicy taste & smelled like incense.
Its the one on my avatar.

Thanks for sharing that article with us, i just read it twice :)
F**k the haters.

Peace
 
bigherb said:
Santa cruz original Haze is a pure colombian punto rojo
Click to expand...

Does this count also for the Original Haze from Seedsman.Congrats btw for the article Bigherb.

picture.php


About the Frankincense trait in Haze, the Haze pheno with this trait which i ever smoked in the beginning of the 90s was a Purple Haze, sold in a coffeeshop in Rotterdam.Since that time i never found any Haze or Haze hybrid with such a strong Frankincense aroma, so did you find in your research anymore info about this trait.

Namaste :)
 
If you want some decent nearly pure haze don't bother with Amsterdam (or Utrecht or the Hague). Over several years I've literally spent weeks searching it out. I've smoked the lot and it was like hay.

Neville's, Flying Dutchmen etc. etc. in shit loads of coffeeshops and it was complete crap.

Katsu is suppose to be for haze heads. Don't bother. the Neville's was completely inactive. The assistant didn't even know the difference between it and Kali Mist.

The best you're going to get is a half decent sample of SSH. I'd love to have my brain frazzled by a decent sample of pure haze but short of emigrating to southern California or Australia and growing it outdoors myself it isn't going to happen.

I suppose that adds to the mystique. Most of us just aren't ever going to try it. Cannabis porn?
 
Namaskar said:
Does this count also for the Original Haze from Seedsman.Congrats btw for the article Bigherb.

picture.php


About the Frankincense trait in Haze, the Haze pheno with this trait which i ever smoked in the beginning of the 90s was a Purple Haze, sold in a coffeeshop in Rotterdam.Since that time i never found any Haze or Haze hybrid with such a strong Frankincense aroma, so did you find in your research anymore info about this trait.

Namaste :)
Click to expand...
Much thanks

I havnt grown out the stock nor have I experienced santa cruz haze,but according to the info presented online an from my research i can give an educated guess.

To me its easy as pie an i was reminded again from this quoted post by Sams as i was looking threw old email.If the stock contains Thai it isnt santa cruz haze.Now all of Todays available haze original/pure an hybrids show thai traits .

This post was from romerberry aka Sams from CW

All of the S Indian and Thai crosses were toward the end of Haze production. Not only males were used for crosses. The 3 year timeline was just someones dream , Haze was grown for over 10years by the haze bros , Sacred seeds tried to stabilixe Haze with mixed results.The quality dropped considerably.The problem is that the best Hazes were F1s Hybrids , and Haze stabilization can not be done without a loss of vigor.
Also I never chose males for hybrids, you do not know how good they are or their ability to contribute to a new hybrid. I use haze females , and I do have a few Haze males that I selected from hundreds of males , after testing their proheny first. But it is a lot of work and beyond most closet breeders. The progenys growouts involved thousands of plants. Just to determine the best haze male to use for Hybrids"
Click to expand...



I cant tell you exactly what seedman original haze is .Im sure it is of santa cruz haze stock but if its pure or not i do not know .Sams would be the only one who could answer that .


You know these were things i knew in my heart before actually knowing them but now i can speak on it without doubt .The above post explains soo much in so few words .The more i read it the value is seen .Sams has told much of the story just added some twist an didnt reveal or explain it all .

LMAO

Its funny you mention this there is a post to me at Ic i cant find atm where a fela mentions the same thing .shit i gotta find it .Im sure you both smoked the same stuff


Beautiful plant ,id love to hear all about your progress


1luvbigherb
 
Namaskar

LMAO

I just looked at your name an remember it was you who told me about this Purple haze in rotterdam


1luvbigherb
 
Punto rojo

Punto rojo y mangobiche (colombia - manizales 2000mts) - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

Above is agreat thread i wanted to post earlier ,only problem its in spanish

But in my research of available info on punto rojo's .This thread shows what ive said about the leaves being green but buds having different colors .Also if you have read anything about the line an her variances its considered to be among the best by the local's known for its soaring eurphoric effects .Sounds familiar ;)


1luvbigherb
 
Bleeding Stems ...

There's a male (2010 mns stock)Nevilles Haze that goes around that bleeds red sap when cut.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top