The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

[BucketBong]

Scorp your a top bloke , its a language thing mate. As you know us Aussies are prone to using expletives when we become frustrated . I call my car , my surfboard , my dog , anything that annoys me ( except my wife) a " c-nt" . Wannas a bit pissed off with the Hempmeisters negativity mate. I dont reckon he was actually trying to be coarse or offensive . Hemps could try the patience of a saint at times. Cheers bud and I'm going to whack a couple of Nordle clones outside in 2 weeks time. Hope they end up near as good as yours . Peace mate.

 

[BucketBong]

Everything Wanna typed was pretty much near the mark I'm biting my tongue and shutting the frig up now . ( he says for the third time this week) .

 

[hempy]

Brother we talked about this in detail so many times in the past,
I still feel the same as always
but now I do not wish to waste my breath on things that really hold no weight in my life and argueing endlessly with people who's only reason for being is to disrupt,
well I think that is a bad way to use my energy.

on a higher note...
shanti ...thru the years has made it possible for me to build my small family of greens and
Im Lovin It

scorp the truth has always been worth defending as has freedom and freedom of expression and speech people go to war and die to defend these things and here in Mr nice we the supporters of this site and before this the forums of mr nice defended these things in the canna community and you know what i am saying is true.

Its the end of an era mate and the saddest part is only few tried to stand up and control the tied of bull shit that started to trickle into this site and now is flooding this site sad.

 

[wanagrowbigbud]

who are you any way ?.

I have been posting in Mr nice for 10 years now and in them 10 years i have contributed more than you wally and coop elmer and the rest of you trolls put together and your posting attacking me.

Its honorable to defend who you think are your mates but its a sell out to promote and support bull shit.

I could not give a shit how long you have been playing on your PC mate, they never even had PCs or lap tops when I started smoking weed ....

You insult every one of the good people I have met on this site.

You have contributed 1 thing to me ...what I learnt from the the hempy bucket thread, (I also thanked you for that and you ignored me)

If you think I am a no-body because I have only recently joined this site then that's fine with me bud.

I speak my mind when i feel I should and that is what I did...

 

[Scorpion]

scorp the truth has always been worth defending as has freedom and freedom of expression and speech people go to war and die to defend these things and here in Mr nice we the supporters of this site and before this the forums of mr nice defended these things in the canna community and you know what i am saying is true.

Its the end of an era mate and the saddest part is only few tried to stand up and control the tied of bull shit that started to trickle into this site and now is flooding this site sad.

Hey mate,
long time ago some of my best friends were from your part of the world,
they knew all about Honor,Integrity,Trust,Courage,Valor...
and they all died trying to teach that to others.
The world is much more disturbing now than it was then,
give me a target and it is vaporized...
but this is just a web forum and you really can't do much but chatter ,
so I'm trying to keep it simple and mellow like me
at least how I prefer to be.

Getting angry at some of these people is really pointless.
think about how simple and truithful what I just said really is.

peace it is a better way of life,trust me.

scorpion

 

[Sensimilla13]

focus on your growing.

Have you sampled Mr. Wonkadonks wares? He doesn't need to focus any more than he already is

Sensi

 

[hempy]

Hey mate,
long time ago some of my best friends were from your part of the world,
they knew all about Honor,Integrity,Trust,Courage,Valor...
and they all died trying to teach that to others.
The world is much more disturbing now than it was then,
give me a target and it is vaporized...
but this is just a web forum and you really can't do much but chatter ,
so I'm trying to keep it simple and mellow like me
at least how I prefer to be.

Getting angry at some of these people is really pointless.
think about how simple and truithful what I just said really is.

peace it is a better way of life,trust me.

scorpion

Well scorp many still are like that here dont look at these guys as a reflection of what most men are like here most still value honor the truth and the rest.

People i call friends and family would larf at these guys and feel sorry for them in fact.

Calling people narcs and attacking them is only a poor reflection of them and it showing there personality's and insecurity's they think they are earning peoples respect how fucken comical all there doing is showing how immature they really are .

 

[Donald Mallard]

who are you any way ?.

I have been posting in Mr nice for 10 years now and in them 10 years i have contributed more than you wally and coop elmer and the rest of you trolls put together and your posting attacking me.

Its honorable to defend who you think are your mates but its a sell out to promote and support bull shit.

really , show me where you have contributed more than myself ???
lets see this years crop hempster ,,
lets see the seeds youve made to give away for free ,,
just cause some of us dont brag about what we do ,,
dont mean we arent doing it ,,,

im not cool on comparing contributions ,, tht is childish man ,,
but to say youve done more t han all of us put together is the furthest strech of imagination ive seen from you ,,

your dreaming man ...

 

[hempy]

I could not give a shit how long you have been playing on your PC mate, they never even had PCs or lap tops when I started smoking weed ....

You insult every one of the good people I have met on this site.

You have contributed 1 thing to me ...what I learnt from the the hempy bucket thread, (I also thanked you for that and you ignored me)

If you think I am a no-body because I have only recently joined this site then that's fine with me bud.

I speak my mind when i feel I should and that is what I did...

i have been growing for over 30 years i know guys in there 70s that respect me and value my noligue of this plant and me them and yet these guys have grow longer than me there humble and polite big grows to.

Yet most in here even with 4 years experience act like you know it all ELMER and treat others with contempt your loss remember that.

As for me not saying your welcome wanagrowbigbud i apolugise it was not my intent to offend you.

I have not posted in there for some time or have i read the posts there i have been bissy on other fronts trying to defend my reputation from slander and lies and personal attacks in this site i should not of had to go threw or should any member.

Any way all the info you need for the hempy buckets there keep it simple and you will get great results dont listen to elmer or others just read the first post and you will have all you need right there.

 

[hempy]

really , show me where you have contributed more than myself ???
lets see this years crop hempster ,,
lets see the seeds youve made to give away for free ,,
just cause some of us dont brag about what we do ,,
dont mean we arent doing it ,,,

im not cool on comparing contributions ,, tht is childish man ,,
but to say youve done more t han all of us put together is the furthest strech of imagination ive seen from you ,,

your dreaming man ...

Dont interact with me wally i will be gone soon as shanti contacts me and we talk so do all this community a favor and stop interacting with me.

10 years of posting in Mr nice forums and then in this site being the 4th member of this site after shanti hawards and think it was shantipapa or admini to join i was doing complete grow logs on Mr nice lines and posting in all that time in Mr nice and your now trying to tell me you did more its insane.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Dont interact with me wally i will be gone soon as shanti contacts me and we talk so do all this community a favor and stop interacting with me.

10 years of posting in Mr nice forums and then in this site being the 4th member of this site after shanti hawards and think it was shantipapa or admini to join i was doing complete grow logs on Mr nice lines and posting in all that time in Mr nice and your now trying to tell me you did more its insane.

if you can read between the lines youll see that actually most of the membership wants you to stay ,, they have all said it over and over ,,
but not as an angry egotystical old fella like youve been behaving ,,
just as a helpful guy who knows his sativas and his buckets ,

comeon man ,, cant you do that without all the agro ??

 

[cannatari]

Well said, Donald.

Peace.

 

[Urban Farms]

Right on UF, thanks for the info. This is also what I have believed all along about New York Haze, because of the discriptions of the smoke and the timing, it just makes too much sense. I am not Catholic, and for this reason am not familiar with the smell of Frankincense, but I had a friend who was Irish Catholic, who swore up and down that my NL5XHaze cut smelled just like Frankincense.
I had another friend who used to call it indigo green because it was so dark green, it almost appeared to be black, with green highlights

Hi jOSHUAHAZEN, Dominicans don't and didn't grow the bud. They didnt know and didn't care but they new what they wanted. Not to say name but the Dominicans that ran the blocks not the runners would go down to miami and buy all the haze they could get their hands on. But it always had to have a certain look and smell to it catpiss and Frankincense that's it no exceptions to that rule. you could of had the best strain and they weren't having it it had to be that. Now I Know about the other stories of haze but Ill tell you one thing and any one that was a real shaker and baker from Washington heights NY will tell you that the Haze that was going through NY city and dubbed NY haze or piff came from Miami, FL ... Im sure the rest of all that haze story is all good but That haze pheno cut is NL#5x Haze....the only one with the catpiss smell and frankies pheno...PEACE That strain put it in a 25Gallon smart pot and no more than two trees per 1000wat hps and you will see heaven my friend considering you did everything right to the tee in the grow...it takes about 90 to 100 days of flower to finish. you will get about two pounds per tree and the best smoke ever..

 

[wanagrowbigbud]

i have been growing for over 30 years i know guys in there 70s that respect me and value my noligue of this plant and me them and yet these guys have grow longer than me there humble and polite big grows to.

Yet most in here even with 4 years experience act like you know it all ELMER and treat others with contempt your loss remember that.

As for me not saying your welcome wanagrowbigbud i apolugise it was not my intent to offend you.

I have not posted in there for some time or have i read the posts there i have been bissy on other fronts trying to defend my reputation from slander and lies and personal attacks in this site i should not of had to go threw or should any member.

Any way all the info you need for the hempy buckets there keep it simple and you will get great results dont listen to elmer or others just read the first post and you will have all you need right there.

Well I have only been growing for 15 years mate and the internet is new to me, so my hat is off to you.

I would usually show you more respect as I do other older members, but you are insulting almost every member I have had help from (the reason I joined) and respect.

Elmer has always given me great tips and grow info and his posts are always a pleasure to read, I have also read your accusations about him and followed your links and they don't add up to the hate you give him mate, they don't even make any sense most the time.

I don't like to see any one unduly disrespected or attacked but man you deserve it after the shit you talked about wally a few posts back that's just trash talk I would expect better from someone in your position mate

I have never seen any of your grows but you do have a big reputation so I give that to you...

I have seen wallys grow pictures and read his threads, he is a top member who has my uppermost respect .
I was gifted seeds by wally in the past and he has refused money or any thing in return as it is his genuine intention to help people.

Maybe I am wrong about you hempy and part of me likes you as I have read a few of the posts you have not deleted, tho my gut feeling tells me your a wanker ...

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

your a complete tosser mate ,
if i could be bothered id knock your silly little head off ,,
instead ill refrain from posting here anymore ,,
becuase it seems you have it all covered man with your giant trees etc ,,
you sure dont need me on this forum ,,
im out , ,bye all ...

F*UCK THAT !

let hempy leave , he needs to spend time learning to grow anyway so when he brags about his plants they wont be skeletin buds anymore , sativa or not , they were/are pathetic

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

Hempy , Ive got you on ignore mate but why not show a sense of humour you whinging old nark. So we disagree , Big Herb wrote a story on Haze, Wanna called you a cant and some people like Indys better than Sattys . Doesnt mean you cant laugh about it. They need an icon thingo of someone flashing a brown eye so I can moon you hahahaha. I must be losing it , I swear I saw a face in that dogs bum Coop whacked up before .

i saw the face too

peace

 

[bigherb]

Ohaze poster

I was gifted this , i was told because of my passion .i had no intention on ever postin it up but i think this might add some authenticity to the story

I will try an get up a better pic soon

 

[bigherb]

Now there are 2 thread which this arguing an nonsense could take place

1 . ruin this thread leave mine alone

2. for you trolls


Once again i ask everyone please keep this thread peaceful



1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

Hi Coop,

I think that this is impossible for several reasons.

First of all, Sam S himself has indicated that he met the haze brothers long after he was a grower simply by coincidence that he happened to be their neighbor. He indicated that he was already growing and breeding at this time and that the line he was working on was his Skunk line.
So Skunk obviously must have existed independently of haze and was bred by Sam S, long before he had ever been exposed to the haze brothers or haze.

Secondly, I have read Sam S describing his strain as being two types of sativa and one type of indica, and being 3/4 sativa and 1/4 indica, I can't remember the details other than one of the sativas was a superior mexican and I think, he referred to the Indica as RKL.

Thirdly, in my own experience, Skunk #1 is the most dominant strain of weed that I have ever seen, it gets into a strain and just seems to take it over. It is very, very distinct, and could not be more different than Haze, and in my experience it totally dominates haze. All of the skunk hazes that I have tried seem to me to taste more like skunk than like haze.

First of all, Sam S himself has indicated that he met the haze brothers long after he was a grower

Some things dont add up

Originally posted by Knowsitall4sure
I never grew Original Haze for sale like the two Haze Brothers that is why I do not consider myself a Haze Brother, even if they used to call me SHEMP, the Unknown Haze Brother.
(...]
I gave them Acapulco Gold,Thai, South Indian seeds, saw the plants, saw their offspring from a Acapulco GoldXColumbian cross, and saw them grown the next year, and many after.

Soo the story was or thought to be that the first crop was a lumbo X mex .This would be 69 or 70 correct ?

Now we have this post

Originally Posted by Knowsitall4sure / Cannabis World
When did you first see and smoke the Haze?
1971 for me

along wit this

quote from my haze threa at Ic

I saw a lot, all of each seasons grows, and had my choice if I wanted it, but I did not sell herb, I did have a few friends that only sold Original Haze from the two Haze growers and they did move a lot, a real lot, Lb's or more every week, if it was available

That bold print doesnt seem possible ,adding to that how about the 66 67 68 date on those haze seeds he gave nevil


now how bout this

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman / Icmag
The first pot I smoked was 1965, Mexican I bought from a Russian girl at my high school, 3 doobies for $.75

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman / Icmag
The first homegrown I smoked was 1968 from Laguna Beach grown by one of the Brotherhood Of Eternal Love, it was Mexican and not yet done, but still more potent then seeded imports

Wouldnt you consider your crop homegrown ?

If he was grwoin skunk before he met teh brothers these post dont make sense somthing is very wrong

how long could he have been grwoin before he met the bros ???
he admitted 71 he first smoked with them an the haze orignates from 69

Soo was he growing before he was smoking ? did he possibly grow


It seems somtimes we forget the many post that have been posted or brought up before

my intention is not to discredit anyone but to give credit where its due

As for skunk dominating everything including haze ,well you must grow out MNS skunk haze ,both phenos i grew out were extreme haze in structure an high an one was very haze in taste .


1luvbigherb

 

[Shelby]

Hey big herb no offense but if every year haze was bred why are you only counting the first year as true haze. Wouldn't every version of haze ie col Mex , col Mex Thai, col Mex thai south Indian all be considered haze and if if was bred in Santa Cruz wouldn't every year still be Santa Cruz haze. Not trying to discredit you but why wouldn't you consider what happened after the first year haze, it's not like after they bred col Mex thy moved they're breeding grounds or something. Maybe I'm missing it but I don't see why only the first year in haze. Hopefully you'll fill me in.