The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

[joshuahazen]

i've asked this before, but it still lines up in my mind

but seems highly possible that the original skunk was a haze x indica cross.

Hi Coop,

I think that this is impossible for several reasons.

First of all, Sam S himself has indicated that he met the haze brothers long after he was a grower simply by coincidence that he happened to be their neighbor. He indicated that he was already growing and breeding at this time and that the line he was working on was his Skunk line.
So Skunk obviously must have existed independently of haze and was bred by Sam S, long before he had ever been exposed to the haze brothers or haze.

Secondly, I have read Sam S describing his strain as being two types of sativa and one type of indica, and being 3/4 sativa and 1/4 indica, I can't remember the details other than one of the sativas was a superior mexican and I think, he referred to the Indica as RKL.

Thirdly, in my own experience, Skunk #1 is the most dominant strain of weed that I have ever seen, it gets into a strain and just seems to take it over. It is very, very distinct, and could not be more different than Haze, and in my experience it totally dominates haze. All of the skunk hazes that I have tried seem to me to taste more like skunk than like haze.

 

[Morphote]

Well with all due respect,I just did not want you to run it,eh?
Mr Hermi...

I had no intentions of running anything. I pitched the idea and you immediately shot it down. And now look at you, actually wanting to help Shanti by offering your very own creation. Hey wait that was my idea! Great idea, wasn't it? Yes I thought so and so did Shanti. And now we have you with us! That's great! Is Mr Hermi your new name LOL? Is there something you want to tell us LMFAO?

M.

 

[Scorpion]

I had no intentions of running anything. I pitched the idea and you immediately shot it down. And now look at you, actually wanting to help Shanti by offering your very own creation. Hey wait that was my idea! Great idea, wasn't it? Yes I thought so and so did Shanti. And now we have you with us! That's great! Is Mr Hermi your new name LOL? Is there something you want to tell us LMFAO?

M.

I could tell you but you would not understand.
lets just say WE look at most things in a very different light.
We,
you and me are as different as two people can be,I have travelled the world and seen things you could not comprehend,I am old and do not waste my time on trivial things like squawking about how I got screwed over by some seed...eh?
I have destroyed more cannabis plants than you have ever seen,This is my life and I'm very good at what I do,so if you want to educate yourself then feel free to ask me a question,if you would rather sparr about what I have said or might say,then take it somewhere's else because I bore easy.

 

[Urban Farms]

: This is for Big Herb:Frankies was the most sought after haze variety to come out of New York City. The name Frankies derived from frankincense which is a trait that is unmistakable highly desired and cannot be forgotten by anyone who has just one toke. Derived from slang used by the older guys who kept the strain in circulation. It is thought of by anyone who was lucky enough to have the experience, simply as the best.
This lead my quest in search to find the source of Frankies, Washington heights known to the New Yorkers as the home of the haze.


Hi I'm new to this site And have been reading a lot of the haze post. I'm not here to make waves but let me say something now. That Haze that has been in new york Mainly Washington Heights that the Dominicans have controlled and been selling sense the early 90s To about mid 2000 when everyone turn to Diesel mid 2006 I believe. Any real Dominican that was controlling washington heights would tell you that it was being smuggled from Miami, FL .... Now speaking from experience I still have many friends In Washington heights and that haze with the smell you call frankies My friend is what the Cubans called the "BLACK HAZE"..... That particular Haze pheno my friend Is a Cut that Mainly us Cubans controlled back in Miami.... Every Haze that went to new york was brought and controeld by dominiquens. About the pheno well it is a early 90s haze so Im sure it is the NL#5 X HAZE witch is a super yielder and the only one that has that frankie smell. Now remember same seed stock hase diffrent phenos but that frankie pheno is what us Cubans call the Black Haze...And any Dominican that was pushing weight and selling Haze Knows were they got it . It aint no secret That 99.99% of all haze That went to NY Wasington heights came from Miami..From us Cubans to Are Latin brother Los Dominicanos .... And thats Real Kid...

 

[biteme]

be gone already, mr. hempy, off by yourself so you can enjoy your misery alone as one should. "or i'm going to tell shanti" who has to be just about sick of hearing the line and the whine from the same person all the time? so you feel threatened online? ready to poop your pants i'll bet? and to be safe, all you have to do is delete your account? lol. and somehow all of this makes sense to you? you do not have to delete anything, just quit posting. how's that for an original idea?

but you will stay if we all apologize? then let me be the first; i would like to apologize for everyone's time that i wasted trying to explain the most simple of concepts. the subject was further dissected so that it could not be misunderstood and even today, you have yet to grasp it? after my second attempt i should have known you were a lost cause, yet i persisted, wasting these members valuable time. time is a resource one cannot recoup. and it's time for you to go take another root, leave folks alone. peace-biteme

 

[hempy]

be gone already, mr. hempy, off by yourself so you can enjoy your misery alone as one should. "or i'm going to tell shanti" who has to be just about sick of hearing the line and the whine from the same person all the time? so you feel threatened online? ready to poop your pants i'll bet? and to be safe, all you have to do is delete your account? lol. and somehow all of this makes sense to you? you do not have to delete anything, just quit posting. how's that for an original idea?

but you will stay if we all apologize? then let me be the first; i would like to apologize for everyone's time that i wasted trying to explain the most simple of concepts. the subject was further dissected so that it could not be misunderstood and even today, you have yet to grasp it? after my second attempt i should have known you were a lost cause, yet i persisted, wasting these members valuable time. time is a resource one cannot recoup. and it's time for you to go take another root, leave folks alone. peace-biteme

biteme a guy that tells people he will troll me and hit the like feature of any who troll and attack me and why well because he does not like me any more what an asset to the community this guy is and brings along with him to the community lol.

shantis a friend away from the site biteme and yes i told him to remove my account what would you have me do show him in sign language or maybe dot it down in grain for him you week link.

I dont feel threated you fucken idiot i am ashamed to see what you morons have turned this site into and sad for because of it my advice to you is focus on growing some half ass decent plants you fool.

Your buddy's lies are there archived for ever biteme and more of there bull shit is to surface to what team you going to join then ha or you going to just re make a new handle and start a fresh lol.

 

[wonkadonk]

did you miss all that in his article or did you not read it and just start slinging shit?

I tried to read it but it was like reading a 5 year olds home work assignment coop so could not go the distance but i bet you did and found it soothing reading.

So by your own admission you come into this thread and start crap without even reading the article?

Not cool

 

[wanagrowbigbud]

I am going and i just contacted shanti again and pleaded to be removed from the site so i am not around people like you bigherb and co.

Thanks for the laugh

 

[hempy]

So by your own admission you come into this thread and start crap without even reading the article?

Not cool

do you know what plagiarism is mate no you dont do you.

And why did you come into this post mate to target me why ?.

You over looked as most do in this site the trolling and person attacks threats and the rest of the piss week contributions and look you point it at hempy ha well you look really predictable to and you get a fail to on your attempt NEXT.

 

[hempy]

Thanks for the laugh

No i thank you mate as you guys are fucken jokes NEXT lol.

 

[wonkadonk]

shantis a friend.

If Shanti is really your friend you should show some respect, and stop pissing all over his forum with your negative crap.

i am ashamed to see what you morons have turned this site into

So your fond of saying, but things go pretty smooth when your not posting. Please stop derailing threads with your constant negativity.

 

[hempy]

If Shanti is really your friend you should show some respect, and stop pissing all over his forum with your negative crap.


So your fond of saying, but things go pretty smooth when your not posting. Please stop derailing threads with your constant negativity.

If you respected your self you would do your self and every one reading this a favor by stop posting failed troll and personal attack attempts mate and focus on your growing.

Your trying to justifie other peoples attacks and trolling directed at me by me being on line again you FAILED next

 

[Scorpion]

Dont rush me wally 10 years of loyalty to both shanti and the Mr nice co community and the canna community on line were i helped 1000s of growers ernt me at lest that much.

Like Box Checked ^
Hi mate,was just about to check your post LIKED ,
but I have to say I do not agree with you wanting to drag up and leave the site,I personally have noticed a calmness in the air lately,
lets give it a go and Live and let Live...everyone is entitled to his own opinion whether it be right or wrong.
anyway mate,
I enjoy your grow and frankly I too have learned a few tricks from you...

Peace Brother

scorpion

 

[wonkadonk]

And why did you come into this post mate to target me why ?

Because I'm so tired of your negativity mucking up the forum. I don't think I've seen any kind of positive post from you in months. It seems like you just come here to mess up the forum anymore.

 

[joshuahazen]

.... Now speaking from experience I still have many friends In Washington heights and that haze with the smell you call frankies My friend is what the Cubans called the "BLACK HAZE"..... That particular Haze pheno my friend Is a Cut that Mainly us Cubans controlled back in Miami.... Every Haze that went to new york was brought and controeld by dominiquens. About the pheno well it is a early 90s haze so Im sure it is the NL#5 X HAZE witch is a super yielder and the only one that has that frankie smell. Now remember same seed stock hase diffrent phenos but that frankie pheno is what us Cubans call the Black Haze...

Right on UF, thanks for the info. This is also what I have believed all along about New York Haze, because of the discriptions of the smoke and the timing, it just makes too much sense. I am not Catholic, and for this reason am not familiar with the smell of Frankincense, but I had a friend who was Irish Catholic, who swore up and down that my NL5XHaze cut smelled just like Frankincense.
I had another friend who used to call it indigo green because it was so dark green, it almost appeared to be black, with green highlights.

 

[hempy]

Like Box Checked ^
Hi mate,was just about to check your post LIKED ,
but I have to say I do not agree with you wanting to drag up and leave the site,I personally have noticed a calmness in the air lately,
lets give it a go and Live and let Live...everyone is entitled to his own opinion whether it be right or wrong.
anyway mate,
I enjoy your grow and frankly I too have learned a few tricks from you...

Peace Brother

scorpion

You know scorp i expected better from you mate and others and that is why i removed every one from my friends list and when i had threats made to me and had people target me troll me trash my fucken posts i put years of effort into them and what did i see from my friends nothing you all sat back and watched and sed nothing.

Now your telling me to what sit back take more of the same from all these wankers and play nice are you insane ?.

A carm has settled into this site are you serious man what i am seeing is far from that scorp.

Every one is running to sell there seed and hype there wears as a result it is cousin Mr nice co site to implode you guys do relies this right so no ones winning here.


I see people disrespecting shanti even his work and nothings is sed and if some one dears say a thing as i did they are then turned on in packs.

The only carm is coming from those that think they will be selling there wears in here in time no my friend you know i am honest and stand my ground and will never waver on things like the truth so no i am going.

The stoners of the canna community are far from stupid and lots can see what is going on .

I find it really hard to understand how so many of you sit back and say its all rosy when there is so much wrong going on .

The Mr nice army is dead the days of loyalty integrity are gone good luck in any future campaign any of you go on with you will all need it.

 

[Scorpion]

Brother we talked about this in detail so many times in the past,
I still feel the same as always
but now I do not wish to waste my breath on things that really hold no weight in my life and argueing endlessly with people who's only reason for being is to disrupt,
well I think that is a bad way to use my energy.

on a higher note...
shanti ...thru the years has made it possible for me to build my small family of greens and
Im Lovin It

 

[wanagrowbigbud]

No i thank you mate as you guys are fucken jokes NEXT lol.

Who are you referring too as "you guys" ?

I don't see any of the community sticking up for you hempy , I guess that's because your a paranoid delusional cunt with nothing but lies and false accusations coming out of your mouth thread after thread.

Why don't you piss off and grow your plants... do something your good at

 

[Scorpion]

Who are you referring too as "you guys" ?

I don't see any of the community sticking up for you hempy , I guess that's because your a paranoid delusional cunt with nothing but lies and false accusations coming out of your mouth thread after thread.

Why don't you piss off and grow your plants... do something your good at

OK my last post in this thread,I guess the buzz has passed.
Frankly this is Totally uncalled for...Normaly I would start in on you well,kinda like Hempy has done,but I wont...
Totally Un Cool IMO!!!

thats all I'm sayin on this.

 

[hempy]

Who are you referring too as "you guys" ?

I don't see any of the community sticking up for you hempy , I guess that's because your a paranoid delusional cunt with nothing but lies and false accusations coming out of your mouth thread after thread.

Why don't you piss off and grow your plants... do something your good at

who are you any way ?.

I have been posting in Mr nice for 10 years now and in them 10 years i have contributed more than you wally and coop elmer and the rest of you trolls put together and your posting attacking me.

Its honorable to defend who you think are your mates but its a sell out to promote and support bull shit.