The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

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Wally this is retarded mate you are defending the um-defenible here you do relies this right.

Why are you even attacking me here wally rember you went me not me you as you always do and did and why are you not also pointing out bigherbs not posted a single picture or a grow thread ever.

Your a grower wally are you seriously believing that he is a grower ? britishemp who bigherb were buddy's with and then had a fall out with posted and sed bigherb was a kid a young guy so how in gods name does a guy that was not even born at the time of haze that does not grow or has ever posted any grow info or a picture of a plant claim to be a haze expert.

And why are you even trying to deflect this by targeting me wally.

Post after post wally you come in and start on me from growing indoor sativas to any fucken topic i post on and yet you never posted a indoor picture of a pure sativa to justifies even the rubbish you were posting in that topic alone you my friend are trolling me and as a result looking really childish.

I have been growing longer than you wally i have helped more growers than you and you cant even treat me as an equal can you why is that.

I have treated growers that crack there first seed as equals and will always yet some of you in here think you above the rest well your not.

You guys can bow down to bigherb me i wont i will bow to those that deserve it.

itsa cause i am sooo sick of you spewing rubbish
everytime im here i see u argueing with every man and his dog about complete trivia ,
who gives a hoot what anyone grows ,, how long for etc ,,
i dont ,,,
get back on topic man or stay out of others threads ,,
i see your own thread carrying on without u ,,
go over there and do some good helping others rather than cluttering up this site with your anger and need to be seen as a hero ...
you certainly dont see anyone as your equal , who the heck are you trying to fool ....
 
Hi biggy,coop...my brother Hempy
About a decade ago I personally grew out 1 acre of Viet Black seed made from CGI seed I made....
Nothing worth keeping ...all had red Blood coming out of the stem...nothing worth keeping....
the hollow stemmed queens live own to this day.
2004 I grew out in the same field Original Haze seed from Dutchmans seed I made
NOT ONE ! !!!! Had any red blood..... or liquid...better than half were hollow and many were semi hollow with whith PITH....

Explain to me how you know this red blood is part of Haze because I do not see it...


No Beef Just a Question...

Scorpion
 
So the O haze was a Colombian landrace - punt rojo? interesting. A strain Charlie Garcia is working on at the moment.

What about Tom Hill's contention that his pure haze is predominantly Thai? Was that Sam's doing do you think?

As usual with the Hazestory, each bit of information/conjecture raises more questions than it answers.

yes it was a pure colombian an considered the best amongst the many exotic imports

Punto rojo y mangobiche (colombia - manizales 2000mts) at IC is a thread to check out

It supports much info on what i have presented reguarding the haze growth

Quote from canary at Ic which is intriguing

PUNTAROJA MORADA DE ALTURA SATIVA PURA COLOMBIANA

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

la puntaroja MORADA DE ALTURA
es la sativa fuerte ( de UP 10/10 )
que usaron los hermanos HAZE como FEMALE en su cruce con una
sativa débil como MALE MEXICO

el cruce basico
es una sativa FUERTE que pone el UP como hembra
y una sativa DÉBIL como macho que da sabor ,olor y aroma ( + información genética que la FEMALE )

SANTA CRUZ, CALIFORNIA años 60: amor libre ,comunas , drogas , música ,flores ,naturaleza , NO A LA GUERRA , ...

la yerba COLOMBIANA y MEXICANA , se vendía con semillas , cultivos en tierra , machos con hembras , como sigue cultivando el moro en KETAMA ,era la mejor

esas semillas viajaron a JAMAICA , otra gran LINEA
Translated below

DWELLED PUNTAROJA OF COLOMBIAN PURE HEIGHT SATIVA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- puntaroja DWELLED OF HEIGHT he is sativa strong (of UP 10/10) that they used brothers HAZE as FEMALE in his crossing with one sativa weak like MALE MEXICO the basic crossing one is sativa STRONG that puts the UP like female and one sativa WEAK like male who gives flavor, scent and aroma (+ genetic information that the FEMALE) SANTA CRUZ, CALIFORNIA years 60: free love, communes, drugs, music, flowers, nature, NOT TO the WAR,… the COLOMBIAN and MEXICAN grass, was sold with seeds, cultures in earth, males with females, as it continues working the Moor in KETAMA, was the best one those seeds traveled to JAMAICA, another great LINE

This is one fella i truly miss who was a wealth of knowledge

Bluebeard
Yep, the red sap is supposedly why the Colombians called it Punto Rojo, and have seen it in the finer more pure leaning Punto Rojo's so I think it could be true. Possibly a sign, that perhaps a few different types of colombians were used by the bros in the haze's creation.

Sam, what do you feel the Colombians that the Haze bros used were like? Were they longer flowering than the Thais and Indians? Have you come across any hazes which went for ten to thirteen months or more of long nights in the populations you grew, or plants which reached floral maturity and went back into vegetative growth without any change in light cycle? If so, what part of the pedigree did you feel these lean towards?

This is an intriguing post from a great thread started by hempy at IC
Info on old Cali lines and breeders.

quoted bluebeard

Both according to the dates that thai weed was starting to become imported, and Sam. Thai genes were a much later addition to the haze, and only added to the genepool in the last year or two the haze bros were in production, and of course in strains like sssc's burning bush. I don't personally see it in the hazes I have grown, but I obviously have a different experience than hempy. Although you cannot see any resemblance in the modern versions and more than a few will think I'm nuts for saying this but, there are some uniquely thai traits that popped up in the older northern lights samples. This might have been the source of the thai-like genes in the haze hybrids Hempy has grown, especially when some recessive recombinance starts to take hold in an Nl x Haze cross. Mant people describe the early haze plants as being colombian phenos and the longer flowering as thai phenos. However, the colombians being worked with in California at the time were every bit as long flowering as a thai and perhaps even longer than the thais they were working with. The introduction of faster flowering lines in Colombia happened a in the mid-late 70's after the haze bros ceased working with the haze. Pure Colombians are fully acclimated to the equator and are definitely among the longest flowering Sativas. There's also definitely the presence of some type of South Indian and/or Sri Lankan/Bangladeshi genes. The faster flowering phenos are possibly contributed to in part by a central Mexican or Michoacan and maybe some type of central Asian sativa such as a Nepalese, Chitrali or Kashmiri. All of these regions were sources of genes and on the hippy trail for californians at the time, but in the long run, unless you were there, anyone's guess is as good as mine.

This post was a great example of why i put out the raticle ,there are an were some great folks in our community who hve great knowledge an experience an if we dont ask questions or they dont share they will take it to the grave .Soo im glad i was persistant in my pursuit i only wish i was abit elder an started sooner


IMO it was from Sams work that Tom hill haze came about ,its obvious .The traits reported are not what have been reported for the santa cruz haze with the exceptions of rootbeer an sandlewood .both these traits were reported in his latest stock an increasing being noted is a spicy lumbo side

I agree with the last line


1luvbigherb
 

The True Origin of Haze

Author Big Herb
It all began in 1969, In Santa Cruz, California. At the time, there was Thai Oaxacan and punto rojo or Colombian red point - some of the best landrace imports in the area, and some of the best smoke around. It was also at this time a local sufer boy named G, was enjoying his youth as many others during that era of freedom. Not particularly the cannabis lover, G. did not have the passion that most of us have for the sacred plant. Despite this, G saw an opportunity to make a quick buck while having a free smoke and some fun. In 1969, the riverside SoCal surfer backcrossed his punto rojo bagseed in what might be the luckiest” accident. This accident would go on to become most famous cannabis strain of all time. The pollen chuck created a very large amount of seed which was used for the duration of its existence.

During the next year the seeds produced the four varieties. I was given a description by Sams of “fruity``, “sour``,“rootbeer``,“cola``,“chocolate`` and “hashy``. Later, a more accurate description of each variety was given. The first being Magenta, which those in the inner-circle knew as the “Rootbeer pheno``, and the rest of the world knew as “purple haze``. Then, there was the “Gold`` which was known to carry musky sandlewood and pine traits. In actuality it smelt like catpiss late in flower, and before a cure. “Blue`` and “silver`` were of the Spicy Sweet peppery type, and silver was considered strongest- all of them had a deep rich lingering after-taste. The four varieties of original haze (magenta, gold, silver, and blue) were never stable, and each year had slight variations. The leaf pattern was always the same, and the colors were not cold induced. The calyxes only showed color as the leaf were always bright green.
An indicator of true haze lineage is the appearance of a red sap when you cut a true haze plant.
This indicator particularly showed itself in the purple pheno.

The best plants were always volunteers from the previous year’s seed droppings.

The effect is what stood in memories of those lucky enough to experience this gem. Compared to be “acid-like``, it had a euphoric feeling which was very clear. This feeling was accompanied by extreme happiness and periods of laughter, while having no ceiling effect. What made the plant so special was the long period in which she stood in ground. The special plant stood in the ground for around nine months which cannot even compare to the eight to ten week indoor varieties of today. The long duration of the growth gave the plant the time to develop its complex flavors, aromas, and most of all, its effects. The harvest time is what’s known as harvest moon and takes place around December-many months of paranoia. In those days, the knowledge wasn’t as abundant or available as it is with today’s technological advances. The ripening of the trichomes wasn’t an indicator of when to harvest. Rather, pure instinct and a watchful eye coupled with patience were used for harvest. The plants weren’t selectively cut down after a nerve racking, and painstaking nine months. It was at this point in time that the entire crop was chopped down.

There is in existence, a famous yet quite rare “Original Haze Poster- The Cosmic Boogie -1976``. The poster explains in detail the soil recipe used, and both the germination and harvest times. This gorgeous master piece is credited to R.L. who was a partner of G, and one of the main growers for few years. Along with R.L., his girlfriend, and a graphic street artist, the poster was collaborative effort. A group effort, it was R.L’s idea, and his lovely girlfriend’s creative writing, along with the help from friends and the artist’s skillful work. The poster was sold at a local supply store, and was kept hidden under the counter. In order to obtain the item, you had to be in the know. Can you dig it.

G, the creator and main grower had a partner named R.L. for a few seasons. R.L. lived nearby and had his own greenhouse. G and R.L. grew upward of 150 pounds of haze each year. The pair never went by the name the haze brothers. The haze seed was highly protected and the grows were under tight control. Few were lucky enough to be part of the growing efforts. There were actually several players involved, but again they were all closely guarded. Many wanted in on the Haze grows, but access was strictly-off limits. R.C was one of them. Better known as Robert C.Clarke, R.C. was from the Cruz and was attending college at the time, practicing his craft- experimenting like a mad scientist, and working his way toward a bachelors and masters degree. R.C. followed his passion, and has made many contributions to our community since then with his books and articles. Another young man who lived in the Cruz , now known as Sam the Skunkman, went on to become a prolific figure in the cannabis movement and industry. The man’s contributions are immeasurable and his passion has shaped the cannabis evolution today. The effects of his contributions can especially be seen in what is considered today to be the cannabis Mecca Holland. When SAMS and R.C. came to Holland in 1984, the standard changed for high quality bud in Holland- a traditionally hash smoking country. Along with many of California’s praised genetics, he introduced Europe to haze.

During the seventies, three brothers from new jersey, two of whom were attending college in the Cruz , started to bring large amounts of the haze back east during a series of trips. The three brothers lets call Joey Bobby and Petey. All three brothers were great writers and cannabis connoisseurs who were the ones to coin the name “haze brothers``. While No one else called them by the name, the Santa Cruz team had created more creative names for the brothers. The eldest brother, J whom I spoke with recently has been quite busy and furthermore successful is doing quite well. Throughout the years, J followed his passion went on to become a great writer and still lives in the Cruz. Back then, J was cut out of the circle for breaking the cardinal rule which was the kiss of death. The brothers were strictly consumers that brokered large amounts of haze back east. They knew nothing about growing it, but they were very familiar with smoking it. During the late 1970’s, most of the haze on the east coast, particularly the tri-state area, came from the brothers.

The haze seed was Never sold, and remained highly protected for good reason. With the wide spread distribution of the haze, at its height of operation hundreds of pounds were produced. It is no wonder that others tried to create their own legend or tale of discovery, and so we see haze traits in various hybrids. So, the idea of haze seed landing in hands of many far and wide is highly probable as there was occasionally a seed found. There is no question that over the course of years, beans got spread. Others outside the circle smoked the haze and likely grew out of the seeds that were found here and there. So, there is the blue dream haze hybrid from Cali along with NYC hazes and many others which are not spoken of or shared. The haze survives in many hybrids all along the both coast, then you have the Dutch offerings which we have Sam to thank for.

The year 1976 was a very eventful year- The years crops were enormous. The year brought Extraordinary Haze flowers- many so huge that the branches broke because of the weight. This was the year the historic haze poster was released, and it was also at time that G and R.L had a fallout that ended their partnership. For a short time after, R.L did his own grow locally, then went to Mexico. Rumor has it that he went to grow large scale for a syndicate. G hasn’t spoke to R.L since the split, and it is thought he might be deceased.

The haze survives today in several known hybrids- once again thanks to Sams. The taste and the aromas can be recognized by some of the old timers who were privileged enough to have experienced the haze from Santa Cruz. As for the effects, that is another story. Now, Sam the skunk man has without doubt brought original haze stock to Holland, but in exactly what form, pure or hybrid, is unknown. G said that he did not give SAMS haze stock, But acknowledges he did live on the block and did some trimming. Therefore there is the possibility he collected seed working with, or smoking the varieties. Personally I believe that the latter was more probable. Sam had relations with R.L., and he had much of the same seed stock that G worked with. Remember, R.L. did his own thing for a while, and it’s very likely Sams got plenty of seeds from him. This is quite clear by many post of Sams that reference his haze genetics from 1976.

Thanks to Sam the skunk man’s preservation, the haze has survived in several forms from a number of different companies. The reported haze stock which was once, and probably still is pure can be found from the flying Dutchmen, Seedsman and Tom hill. The most prestigious hybrids come from MNS- Mr. Nice seedbank from haze stock obtained by Nevil Schoenmaker in 1985, from Sams. Then there is Cultivator’s choice selections of haze hybrids made from SAMS- some of which are still available. In 1981, just as the accident came about, it all ended. After about a 10 year run, the haze failed to produce. The buds were too thin and wispy for commercial production. It started as an accident, a pollen chuck, and since G was not a breeder, he never stabilized or backcrossed the plant. As a result of this the plant soon died out .The search was on for something new. Sams returned to the cruz and sold G a large amount of Skunk seed which was easier to grow, and which happily filled the void.

Always Remember that the Original haze started with the sufer boy G thenexpanded with R.L. G and R.L never referred to themselves as the Haze Brothers- that title goes to the three brothers from New Jersey who are responsible for introducing much of the east coast to the magic from Santa Cruz. The title original haze thought of by G, is derived from Jimi Hendrix purple haze song. Sams is responsible for spreading haze stock by bringing it to Holland. It is because of his preservation, determination, and dedication and love of this sacred plant that the younger generations, such as myself, still have the opportunity to have a taste of the most magical strain of all time.

For the haze heads, I’d like to say that G is doing well ,while his memories are fading. (The time has come for the true origins of the original haze to be told, and for G’s story to forever burn. In our mind, hearts, and haze blooded bud we bud for eternity. ) Haze seeds are still held by G as I’m sure some others. While there hasn’t been any success with germination, as of recent, several attempts and methods have been applied and anything is possible. Keep in mind the same way the accident started it can happen again. So let’s get cracking.

Much love, respect, and thanks to everyone mentioned above. Credit goes to DJ of Santa Cruz who has been patient and kind enough to share his experiences as well as G’s with me. This is compiled from my many hours of haze homework, extremely deep passion to know every detail and my relentless pursuit of the truth. This is the story I was told this is the true origins of haze.


















Copyrights 2011
Big Herb

Autobiography

My passion for haze started as a young teen, growing up in New York City. At the time, the neighborhood I grew up in had many varieties of the most popular cannabis strains on the market. During 1998-2002 the best selections of haze frequented the area I lived in. There have been many slang terms threw the years to label specific haze selections such Uptowns, Puday, Church, Silvers and sometime after I was going uptown Piff or Piffington as some of the locals called it. Frankies was the most sought after haze variety to come out of New York City. The name Frankies derived from frankincense which is a trait that is unmistakable highly desired and cannot be forgotten by anyone who has just one toke. Derived from slang used by the older guys who kept the strain in circulation. It is thought of by anyone who was lucky enough to have the experience, simply as the best.
This lead my quest in search to find the source of Frankies, Washington heights known to the New Yorkers as the home of the haze. I have taken many trips on the A train and C train to the heights hot spots. I’ve sampled countless varieties of haze that range from good to amazing, Express Thai, Mexican and Colombian traits. The staples of taste and aromas of NYC haze are spice, incense, catpiss and what we call basement or leather. But nothing can compare to Frankies, growing up it was common and easy to find, these days it has become elusive. This legendary strain that us native New Yorkers know as haze is no legend. This is what we grew up smoking, just like the city there is nothing sweet about it this is what we know as haze.

“More incense and less nonsense” Big Herb
Highlighted RED so all know just what I am referring to...
 
Hi biggy,coop...my brother Hempy
About a decade ago I personally grew out 1 acre of Viet Black seed made from CGI seed I made....
Nothing worth keeping ...all had red Blood coming out of the stem...nothing worth keeping....
the hollow stemmed queens live own to this day.
2004 I grew out in the same field Original Haze seed from Dutchmans seed I made
NOT ONE ! !!!! Had any red blood..... or liquid...better than half were hollow and many were semi hollow with whith PITH....

Explain to me how you know this red blood is part of Haze because I do not see it...


No Beef Just a Question...

Scorpion

Sup brother

I was hopin to hear back from you ;)

Beef why ? There is no reason for it

I thankyou for sharing your experience an welcome all opinions an questions

I dont have all the answers i wasnt there ,I am just relaying what was told to me .

I would believe the red sap prsent in other strains,but its knwon that this is na indication of true haze blood

its spoke of in my Ohaze thread at Ic with pics pages 10 -12

posted by lougrew if i recall correct in response to JLP post growing out Ohaze from TFD

JLP
The last time i grew them when I topped them the sap that came out looked just like blood,it will be interesting to see if it repeats

lou
THAT RED BLOOD has the making of some sticky resins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seen many times in many sativas i know the red blood well........
GOOD PIC JLP!!!....just wait till you feel the resins an smoke!!!
This blood is what i always use to talk of in MJ plants.


lol another post from guineapig
regarding the reddish-colored sap, i have seen only one plant do this and it was brought from Vietnam and cloned over and over again......the plant was so potent that one bong hit brought me to my knees, literally.....it was absolutely the best i've ever come across, pure connoiseur head-stash, and only a select few had access to this plant.....

Vietnam stock but diffrent luck


1luvbigherb
 
itsa cause i am sooo sick of you spewing rubbish
everytime im here i see u argueing with every man and his dog about complete trivia ,
who gives a hoot what anyone grows ,, how long for etc ,,
i dont ,,,
get back on topic man or stay out of others threads ,,
i see your own thread carrying on without u ,,
go over there and do some good helping others rather than cluttering up this site with your anger and need to be seen as a hero ...
you certainly dont see anyone as your equal , who the heck are you trying to fool ....

Wally my indoor plants made your out door plants look small you act all smug and you came to my posts and started on me not me you so lets keep it honest and truthful here.

I have grown out doors and again going to and if you think my indoor plants were big well my out door plants were better trunks the size of a persons leg cocky no just honest cocky are others posting in this site.

You have not liked me from day dot or do i care and who attacked shanti and Neville from as far back as cannabis world was it me no it was not was it.

I post something i know it is true and correct and its targeted why.

I have helped 1000s for free wally you sell seed you may of given free seed away but you did it as it was good bissness mate.

I have given seed to friends and friends friends i dont even know for decades to for free and yet still not an equal am i.

Bigherb has more respect in your eyes and he does not even grow theres something really wrong here wally and its not coming from my side is it.

I have devoted my life to my hobbie i know what i am talking about i have grown longer than most attacking me have been a live and yet they have respect and i dont.

I have stood up for the truth and again i am a target.

Is this me being noid no chance in hell my friend it is the gods honest truth and people ask why does so many experienced growers leave the community.

Your here because you sell seed correct and your promoting your self and your product and yet i am not so did you ever stop and thing wally you need to act differently to being a troll and not get involved in things as you have been doing targeting me being just one.

You dont want me here wally well fine talk to shanti i my self asked to be removed.
 
Hi biggy,
I see the difference,
we as growers have selected for different traits,
I will not keep a pith filled plant to breed with,
I do have a g13sk female"B" clone that is pith filled but she is so strong it would be a sin to let her die.
But her seed was not better,really a step back,so I dont use her for seed.
As far as Haze I have grown Shantis works to the O Haze from TFD and even Sams O.Haze x Sk1 I have never kept a pith filled plant beyond a single season.
So I think we have just made different selections
(JustMO...let the red pith stems die and never use them)

Thanks for the reply biggy
peace
scorpion
 
Wally my indoor plants made your out door plants look small you act all smug and you came to my posts and started on me not me you so lets keep it honest and truthful here.

I have grown out doors and again going to and if you think my indoor plants were big well my out door plants were better trunks the size of a persons leg cocky no just honest cocky are others posting in this site.

You have not liked me from day dot or do i care and who attacked shanti and Neville from as far back as cannabis world was it me no it was not was it.

I post something i know it is true and correct and its targeted why.

I have helped 1000s for free wally you sell seed you may of given free seed away but you did it as it was good bissness mate.

I have given seed to friends and friends friends i dont even know for decades to for free and yet still not an equal am i.

Bigherb has more respect in your eyes and he does not even grow theres something really wrong here wally and its not coming from my side is it.

I have devoted my life to my hobbie i know what i am talking about i have grown longer than most attacking me have been a live and yet they have respect and i dont.

I have stood up for the truth and again i am a target.

Is this me being noid no chance in hell my friend it is the gods honest truth and people ask why does so many experienced growers leave the community.

Your here because you sell seed correct and your promoting your self and your product and yet i am not so did you ever stop and thing wally you need to act differently to being a troll and not get involved in things as you have been doing targeting me being just one.

You dont want me here wally well fine talk to shanti i my self asked to be removed.

your a complete tosser mate ,
if i could be bothered id knock your silly little head off ,,
instead ill refrain from posting here anymore ,,
becuase it seems you have it all covered man with your giant trees etc ,,
you sure dont need me on this forum ,,
im out , ,bye all ...
 
Thanks forthe article Big herb!

I have a Congo haze that is Red Congolese x Nevil's Haze and it smells and taste exactly like rootbeer! It's awesome!

I have a comment about Big Herb's growing/not growing cannabis...WHO CARES!!!

He cannot write about Cannabis without growing cannabis???

That's like saying journalists that report on a war are not credible because they aren't soldiers!!! STUPID!

I think this is very interesting...I read jesse's haze article completely (more than once) and there is no plagiarism in BH's article.

It's a fun read and I appreciated it!

Cheers,
Sensi
 
Thanks BigHerb for sharing your research with the community.

Just ignore the hate man and stay positive...

Thanks again!







R.Fortune
 
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your a complete tosser mate ,
if i could be bothered id knock your silly little head off ,,
instead ill refrain from posting here anymore ,,
becuase it seems you have it all covered man with your giant trees etc ,,
you sure dont need me on this forum ,,
im out , ,bye all ...

Threats now wally is it no you stay and i will leave as i have lost all respect for most here and i will ask again to have my account removed by shanti.

I expected more from even you wally.
 
This article an thread in particular is for all haze lovers

where is the love ?

I appreciate all the kind replies

Donallad dont you dare leave on that note ,roll one up an remember the reason you are really here .your true passion my friend which we alll see quite clearly


1luvbigherb
 
Threats now wally is it no you stay and i will leave as i have lost all respect for most here and i will ask again to have my account removed by shanti.

I expected more from even you wally.

well hurry the hell up about it and stop ruining this site with your negative crap,
btw ,, you dont need your account deleted to stop posting ,, just turn your computer off ....
not sad to see you go ...
 
This article an thread in particular is for all haze lovers

where is the love ?

I appreciate all the kind replies

Donallad dont you dare leave on that note ,roll one up an remember the reason you are really here .your true passion my friend which we alll see quite clearly


1luvbigherb

your right of course ,,
sorry bigherb ,
and for the bad vibes in your thread i also apologise,
im off the herb at the moment and not having as easy a time being as peaceful as i usually am ,
i shouldnt let insignificant little tossers upset me i g uess ...
 
Hi fellow heads,
This really is offtopic but what the hell,if a fella can't shoot the shit with his buds then why bother.
Ive been enjoying some of my own handiwork ,grown and harvested by a good old friend.
It is a hybrid I coined as Benjie's Breakfast it simply is excellent.
NLSK X O.Haze all my selections from the gitgo,its taken about 9 seasons to get here,but the seed is very well liked.
Haze man!
very sweet and high...nothing but smily faces by the few that have smoked it,very stable seed,most plants are very similar.

if the time comes when SB will allow outside seed,I would be proud to put this up ,
it is just that good.
(all proceeds would be donated,I do not sell seed for profit)

ok... The Hornitos has me chatty tnite....
:D

scorpion
 
well hurry the hell up about it and stop ruining this site with your negative crap,
btw ,, you dont need your account deleted to stop posting ,, just turn your computer off ....
not sad to see you go ...

Dont rush me wally 10 years of loyalty to both shanti and the Mr nice co community and the canna community on line were i helped 1000s of growers ernt me at lest that much.

I am going and i just contacted shanti again and pleaded to be removed from the site so i am not around people like you bigherb and co.

Having no smoke is no excuse for such behavior and all the trolling and singling out members for no other reason than to rubbish them is also bad form.
 
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can you see the light hempy?
 
I dont know if its the Haze ,the Hornitos or my bad eyes,but that shure looks like someone looking back at me...
:D
:eek:
 
Hi fellow heads,
This really is offtopic but what the hell,if a fella can't shoot the shit with his buds then why bother.
Ive been enjoying some of my own handiwork ,grown and harvested by a good old friend.
It is a hybrid I coined as Benjie's Breakfast it simply is excellent.
NLSK X O.Haze all my selections from the gitgo,its taken about 9 seasons to get here,but the seed is very well liked.
Haze man!
very sweet and high...nothing but smily faces by the few that have smoked it,very stable seed,most plants are very similar.

if the time comes when SB will allow outside seed,I would be proud to put this up ,
it is just that good.
(all proceeds would be donated,I do not sell seed for profit)

ok... The Hornitos has me chatty tnite....
:D

scorpion

LOL and you were the very first person to say "NO" to Nicebay. My how times have changed.

M.
 
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