The Haze Brothers ?

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Lemme see...Big Sur Holy Weed is mentioned as early as 1965 Edit, 1964, 2-3 years before the first mention of Haze, and Big Sur is only 40 miles away from Santa Cruz, in the direction of Mexico, and nobody is claiming to be the original breeder of Haze and BSHW has nothing to do with Haze? Pffft!

"Seeds were acquired from surfers" LMAO!

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Zacatecas sure is alot closer to California than Columbia, Oaxaca, Acapulco and Thailand:

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Why couldnt they be from surfers ??

The movie Endless summer was released in 66 and they traveled the world, I have friends in Medicino who traveled surfing South America in the early 60's
and their fathers before them. Also Robert Koke a American was the first to surf Kuta in Bali in the 1930's. Now if I remember Thailand was quite a common stopover on the way to Indo. And surfing has actually been around for thousands of years and was brought to Hawaii by the Polynesians when they discovered it, so as you see it is very possible:D
 
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waverunner_21 said:
sorry, couldn't remember who wrote the article jesse, just remembered it was about the haze bros, so, im now completely and utterly confused. Are there any hard facts to work with here regarding where it all began?
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Hi wave :)
No apology needed my friend, as without Shanti's contributions the article would not have been possible. So you're very right to give him credit in my view.
 
Kangativa said:
Why couldnt they be from surfers ??

The movie Endless summer was released in 66 and they traveled the world, I have friends in Medicino who traveled surfing South America in the early 60's
and their fathers before them......surfing has actually been around for thousands of years and was brought to Hawaii by the Polynesians when they discovered it, so as you see it is very possible:D
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Sorry Kangativa, I was being sarcastic. I was implying that the surfers had Haze and not the seeds that were used to breed Haze. I've always been skeptical of the narrow window of time in between the surfers showing up with seeds from all around the world and the beginning of the Haze Craze for an unknown yet prolific breeder to have created Haze.

Endless Summer is a great movie. I wonder how they funded that trip? :D
 
I think if anyone around here could find out about BSHW it would be Snow. Also, Breeder's Choice has released oldtimer's haze before. I don't find it currently available, but it may be again in the future.
 
Why do i get this over whelming feeling and have for a long time that a small group of stoners feel this need to show how impotence one small location is to the canna community.

I smoked this leafy shity looking mj that was called tripping weed or tripping heads in the 70s that left me damaged for the rest of the afternoon and evening i smoked real mullumbimbi that also destroyed me and i smoked a well selected Neville's haze that left me and many that smoked it very affected also and i have smoked many strains all sativas threw the decades from many parts of the world that were as good as each other only there high veryed a little the moral to this post is simple haze Maui Thia Columbine African and many more were up there in quality an if you can find them still are amazing but you can find Neville's haze very easily and its being grown by many.

It honestly gets stupid reading people posting about things few if any posting know about and from all accounts the growers that made haze made seed by x there best sats to make seed it was not a breeding project per say it was seed making for next season and they x good genetics to each other good genetics were the result.

No cannabis is native to California last time i looked so it was imported in collected taken there just like they did in many country's.

OTH is not haze ot1 him self sed it so why call it haze if were going to call ever sativa haze well screw it i will to.
 
California has a unuiqe climate, they argueably grow the best grapes for wine in the world. You are right though hempy, its not the only place in the world where good sativas are grown but maybe again argueably. After seeing a pic of a poster and reading some over there it seems clear that these hayes bros were trying to be a brand name or be a micro-brew of some sorts. Which makes sense to me, if i have a unuiqe cross,eviro,and a market i can have my own micro-brewery.

Bottom line is the haze is sought after and i highly doubt there is any real documentation or proof of any kind so my guess is it will remain a legand.
 
hempy said:
It honestly gets stupid reading people posting about things few if any posting know about

OTH is not haze ot1 him self sed it so why call it haze if were going to call ever sativa haze well screw it i will to.
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I'll be the first to admit I know almost nothing about this except for what I've read here. Part of the reason it's people posting that know nothing about it is cuz they are the ones that want to know. This is the first I've heard OTH is not haze. I saw it in Skunk magazine.

I personally don't think it matters at all where it came from. It only matters to me how it smokes and that I can obtain it. I think there is a fascination with this topic because of the legends that have been made of Nevil's creations over the years.
 
Green 4 Good said:
This is the first I've heard OTH is not haze. I saw it in Skunk magazine.
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Hi G4G,
Old news. But im not surprised this is the first time you're learning of it. As there has been a concerted effort by those who are selling OTH to confuse it with the legend of haze. Ace Seeds in fact listed the pedigree of the OTH as nearly the exact same pedigree sam the skunkman listed Haze to be. A great way to bring in extra dollars, and is something not unheard of in the industry. Just take a look at White Widow for example...

OTH is not nearly the only comedy act on broad way though...
 
cannatari said:
Sorry Kangativa, I was being sarcastic. I was implying that the surfers had Haze and not the seeds that were used to breed Haze. I've always been skeptical of the narrow window of time in between the surfers showing up with seeds from all around the world and the beginning of the Haze Craze for an unknown yet prolific breeder to have created Haze.

Endless Summer is a great movie. I wonder how they funded that trip? :D
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No worries mate. I have always been under the impression that it was hippies and surfers who brought in most of the early strains....well it was down here:D

Yeah mate it was a great movie.....We can only imagine how it was possible to fund it...Lol
 
hi , just wanted to ask , , isnt nevils haze crossed to northern lights , making it a hybrid ?
wouldnt want to upset you at all jesse of course , but isnt your haze story the one that states nevil got haze seeds from somewhere other than sam , and yet sam and nevil both say it was sam that gave nevil the seeds ?? wouldnt that make your story a bit inaccurate now those we have heard the facts ?/
 
this line stands out to me the most....."and Haze became a very important brand name with a lot of commercial seed breeders."

It's confusing enough in the current market to sort through all of the bogus strains put out by so-called breeders, let alone trying to do it some 40 years after the fact.
 
Thanks for sharing the article, Jesse. Much love for the contributions you make around this place.

A lot of what the article says backs up my theory.

-"One of them came up purple overnight" Maybe the ones that didn't come up purple contributed to the Haze tasting parties? This was obviously a sampling of all the different pheno's of the magic beans and those magic bean's beans.

-"He slept next to it till it made enough seeds" Herm? I bet he also had the same problem as the surfer/grower, no purps. He was real lucky to get the one he got.
 
Thanks Jesse great read:D I really like that African/ Afghani bit as I have a nice collection of Africans and Hempy and I think these could be a bit of a surprise for the Haze.

Yeah mate its amazing some of the places surfing has taken me in my life that is why that story does not suprise me:D
 
Is R Rob Clarke in that article does anyone know. And do u think the article confirms their were two growers that went by the name of Haze ? Cheers.
 
Alright kanga did I ever hereevmuch about haze when u lived in California. ?
 
cheesefucker said:
Alright kanga did I ever hereevmuch about haze when u lived in California. ?
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Yeah mate my friend had it or a version of it, who knows but it had been around for a long time, anyway I crossed it to his Skunk to make the Mendo Girl. I bought back seeds of the MG, Haze and Skunk and still grow them now, plus a few other strains from there.
 
There is likely a connection to "The Brotherhood of Eternal Love" a group including surfers who imported herb from all corners. Though they were most known for their involvement with Leary and LSD. I read stories of someone storing and cataloging seeds from their imports. They were likely importing as early as 1965 (maybe even earlier?).
 
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