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hi Nevil

I believe coop refers to this piece of info from DJ Short article:

"Inducing Sativa
After many years of first-hand experience breeding herb indoors as well as outdoors, I am of the opinion that the two most influential factors involving phenotypic variation and expression among current indoor herb breeding projects are the photoperiod (hours of light per day) and the angle of light in relationship to the growing plant.
Specifically, I find the single most powerful influence to the Indica dominant phenotype is the traditional 18/6 veggie cycle and 12/12 flowering cycle. The 18/6 veggie and 12/12 flower cycle is an attempt, however poor, to mimic the Indica-producing photoperiod. It is my belief that this light cycle strongly influences for Indica phenotypic expression.
Sativa phenotype characteristics will manifest under a more equatorial photoperiod, closer to a 13/11 veggie cycle and an 11/13 flower cycle. This is the light timing range to use to elicit more Sativa dominant expression from your plants.
As for the exact photoperiod formula that I incorporate into my growing/breeding regime, this will presently remain a trade secret. My advice is to experiment with different photoperiods, keep good notes and pay attention. Avoid the 18/6 and 12/12 photoperiods, while tweaking the times a bit differently with each breeding cycle until more desirable results in the finished product and their offspring are noted. Here's a hint: work in half-hour increments or a little less, and good luck!"

would be nice to hear what you think
 
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L33t said:
hi Nevil

I believe coop refers to this piece of info from DJ Short article:

"Inducing Sativa
After many years of first-hand experience breeding herb indoors as well as outdoors, I am of the opinion that the two most influential factors involving phenotypic variation and expression among current indoor herb breeding projects are the photoperiod (hours of light per day) and the angle of light in relationship to the growing plant.
Specifically, I find the single most powerful influence to the Indica dominant phenotype is the traditional 18/6 veggie cycle and 12/12 flowering cycle. The 18/6 veggie and 12/12 flower cycle is an attempt, however poor, to mimic the Indica-producing photoperiod. It is my belief that this light cycle strongly influences for Indica phenotypic expression.
Sativa phenotype characteristics will manifest under a more equatorial photoperiod, closer to a 13/11 veggie cycle and an 11/13 flower cycle. This is the light timing range to use to elicit more Sativa dominant expression from your plants.
As for the exact photoperiod formula that I incorporate into my growing/breeding regime, this will presently remain a trade secret. My advice is to experiment with different photoperiods, keep good notes and pay attention. Avoid the 18/6 and 12/12 photoperiods, while tweaking the times a bit differently with each breeding cycle until more desirable results in the finished product and their offspring are noted. Here's a hint: work in half-hour increments or a little less, and good luck!"

would be nice to hear what you think
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Hi L33t, I am a bit confused here - so what's new :p - Is DJ suggesting you can alter the make-up of a Sativa, that using his secret regime of photoperiod and light angle he can make a Sativa somehow more Sativa or indeed more Indica in the 'finished product'?.

EDIT, sorry L33t, he isn't saying anything the world hasn't known for a decade if I am now reading it correctly.
 
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I've seen a few of D.J.Shorts writings. The man possesses an extremely fertile imagination. It reminds me of some intuitive/automatic writing I've seen. Very creative, but not scientific.
As for the exact photoperiod formula that I incorporate into my growing/breeding regime, this will presently remain a trade secret
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I'll tell you mine, veg 24h, flowering 12h. I've tried lots of things, but I couldn't find evidence to justify changing things.
N.
 
I would have to agree that a pure Sativa needs a slight change in my experience, I used to veg 24/7 but have never grew really healthy Sativa plants, (in particular 3 x Haze lines) using constant light, after a while I settled on 20/4, since then all plants have been fine.
In bloom I knock an hour off, (11.5/12.5) always seemed more natural/equatorial it seems to ensure I don't have any 20 week lodgers. Mums the word though, so Shhhhh!
 
one must remember when working with hybrids also that very indica dominant leaves can still possess very hazy/sativa type buds and the opposite is possible...i found that the most indica leaf looking plant from my MangoWidow had the longest flowering period and some sativa leaf looking plants finished in 77days so its bud structure not leaf structure that counts and even then sativa looking buds can smoke quite indica or vice versa
 
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Hi Nevil, I have a question for you, Sometime in the mid late 80s me and some friends pitched in for some seeds, I think it may have been 1987 but the details are a bit blurry. It was the pure Holland Haze. I seem to remember in the description you issued a warning: for experienced smokers only. I think you said it was your personal favorite strain, and it was the most expensive seed in the catalog, the only one that cost more than $100, I think it was $120 or $140 for 10 seeds, and it was the premier for the Haze, the first time you were offering it, this catalog that we ordered from was sent to the USA.

What year would this have been?

Thank you
 
Nevil said:
I've seen a few of D.J.Shorts writings. The man possesses an extremely fertile imagination. It reminds me of some intuitive/automatic writing I've seen. Very creative, but not scientific.

N.
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Ya I find many of his writings far out there how about this one Nevil?


DJ said:
(A quick word on "backward" hermaphrodites ? declared males that eventually sport female flowers ? as opposed to the usual female-to-male hermaphrodites. These are semi-rare occurrences, usually sterile but sometimes viable, that I have found at times to be valuable in their genetic contributions. Some of the most resinous and desirable males I have encountered exhibited this trait. This trait almost seems to guarantee against unwanted hermaphroditism in subsequent generations as it also increases the female to male ratio in its progeny.)
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I cant even tell ya how many people are running around thinking this is factual.
 
If I remember correctly, The NL5Hz was my most expensive line. I don't recall putting out pure haze. If anyone got any off me, it would have been HzBC. This was not as good as the Hz hybrids.
N.
 
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(A quick word on "backward" hermaphrodites ? declared males that eventually sport female flowers ? as opposed to the usual female-to-male hermaphrodites. These are semi-rare occurrences, usually sterile but sometimes viable, that I have found at times to be valuable in their genetic contributions. Some of the most resinous and desirable males I have encountered exhibited this trait. This trait almost seems to guarantee against unwanted hermaphroditism in subsequent generations as it also increases the female to male ratio in its progeny.)
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You'd have to consider that facts in the above statement are semi-rare occurrences.
N.
 
Nevil said:
If I remember correctly, The NL5Hz was my most expensive line. I don't recall putting out pure haze. If anyone got any off me, it would have been HzBC. This was not as good as the Hz hybrids.
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That just blows my mind
I do not even know HzBC, so. But I grew something for around 5 or 6 years which I always thought came from you, cause me and some friends had ordered seeds a couple years earlier. Maybe it was from another source though.
I just knew it as Haze, which is what it was called when it was given to me.
 
I don't know the answer to the question"male hermis are better". Here's what I do know. I grow in small cups due to space limitations I have and have had several male hermis. Without question they are the most resin covered. Here's a picture of a auto Short Term Amnesia male. It smelled like juicy fruit chewing gum. Wonderful.
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I have separated out the pollen on some male hermis and have made seeds with those. I also made some selfed males. Have no idea if they will sprout. Next summer I'll have time to run some and I'll see what the difference is. I've also noticed that some of the best smoke has a higher prevalence of male hermis. This attribute is more common I believe in autos. I fully realize that I don't have the breathe and depth of experience of you guys. Never the less what I see is what I see. It would seem reasonable that a resinous male would be beget resinous plants. This may not be true but it is reasonable. I've talked to krk about this before and I'm sure he thinks opposite. Which is good. krk's a stand up guy but he might be wrong about this. Just to make sure no one thinks it's personal. Just a technical disagreement. I just can't help but think there's something there to investigate.
 
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If you got good yields at 9-12 weeks, it was 5Hz. If you got crappy yields in 20-40 weeks or longer it may have been pure (but still not likely). The hybrids were better than pure Haze.
N.
 
Nevil said:
If I remember correctly, The NL5Hz was my most expensive line. I don't recall putting out pure haze. If anyone got any off me, it would have been HzBC. This was not as good as the Hz hybrids.
N.
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Hi Nevil, here is a discription of the original clone I had. Do you think it could have been NL5Xhaze?

It was not fruity or sweet smelling at all, not even a little bit.


The original Haze Clone I had, had around a 3 ½ month budding cycle in its early years but it gradually got shorter over the years as the clone got older, to just over 3 months , when it was an old clone(around 6 years old).

It had explosive vegetative growth like nothing I have ever seen. It had sativa leaves, it was very dark green. It had alternating nodular growth once it got to the third or fourth leafset, and even tertiary shoots had the potential to give large banana buds. It was tougher than nails and grew with amazing speed and vigor. It always delivered the death bud if you had the patience , even under flourescents. It was the most photo-kinetic plant I have ever seen, like if you moved it, it would reposition itself towards the light within a period of hours. And the leaves would like fine tune them selves and tilt towards the light.

The bud was covered in stalked trichomes, valleys of perfectly formed, packed trichomes . The dried bud was extremely dense, the densest I have ever seen, like a quarter looked like an eighth, no joke, even with stems crackin’. It had large calyxes and small little rust colored hairs, and you needed to let the hairs get more red than most like 90% red and 10% white, for the trichomes to be fully mature. The finished bud was dark, dark green, but was so covered in crystals that it had a whitish sheen. It appeared very exotic and unusual.

It had a rich aromatic smell, spicy not sweet, overpowering, when you cracked the jar, smelling it made your forehead tingle a little. It had a subtle, underlying narcotic smell, almost like some kind of chemical or astringent.

It was cripplingly stony, overwhelming. It reminded me of this imported thaistick I used to get from this vet when I was young, called chocolate thaistick that was dipped in opium. It was like a powerful narcotic. Many told me it was the best they had ever tried.

All in all it was the bomb.
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Awesome pic, Oscar.

Question:

Angel's Heart is MHxAfSk..is that the same as MHxCM? In other words, can I knock-up my MH with a CM and make my own AH beans? Something about making beans fascinates me and to get started, I would rather attempt an existing cross that I can compare my results with than to inbreed or make an unknown cross since I am ignorant to the choosing of the desired traits that made the pros decide to cross MH and AfSk in the first place.

Any recommendations as to how I might use my MH in a breeding project would probably be more useful than an answer to my original question I guess. I'm a few months away from making any selections from the 17 MH beans I have growing BTW.

Thanks.

-canna
 
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maybe it was NL5XHaze
I'm pretty sure it was. NL5Hz was everything you describe and more. Plants 1 and 122 were my favourites. The 5Hz122 really smelled like mango and 5Hz1 would make a believer out of anyone. If you had 5Hz and lost it, well you and thousands of others, but you know what they say;
From Alfred Lord Tennyson's poem In Memoriam:27, 1850:

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

I still dream about growing those two outdoors in a perfect climate. I may yet happen, they are still alive!
N.
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Nevil said:
I posted this in the wrong thread.
I'm pretty sure it was. NL5Hz was everything you describe and more. Plants 1 and 122 were my favourites. The 5Hz122 really smelled like mango and 5Hz1 would make a believer out of anyone. If you had 5Hz and lost it, well you and thousands of others, but you know what they say;
From Alfred Lord Tennyson's poem In Memoriam:27, 1850:

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

I still dream about growing those two outdoors in a perfect climate. I may yet happen, they are still alive!
N.
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Well I'll be... You must be right. Oh how I loved...

But I have saved her, in her children and her children's children the children of their children, and so on.
And I see her a thousand different ways, and she is beautiful.

"My bounty is as boundless as the sea, my love as deep. The more I give thee, the more I have, For both are infinite." - William Shakespeare
 
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