Northern lights#1 vs. northern lights #5

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DrGreengrass

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Can someone give me some insight as how #1 differs from #5, I'm really interested in MNS Ortega I know it's a cross of the mentioned strains.
I'm not being lazy and not researching for the info but you guys know there's a dozen different strains with the same names I would just like to maybe here it straight from the breeder himself (I have high hopes shanti will respond here)
Thanks everyone in advance you guys are always willing to give information
 
Ortega is not a cross of NL1 and NL5.

ive grown NL1, NL2, and NL5.

NL1 was a smooth green earthy taste, slightly longer buds.
NL2 was more resiny, more chuncky type of buds. taste was stronger, sharper, a bit like pine and skunk.
NL5 grew nice plump dense buds with light orange hairs. very resiny but I let it go cause I thought it was boring in the flavor department.

if I only knew back then...im sure we all would have done things different.

overall, I think NL2 was the best quality by itself. maybe NL5 was the best for breeding though...
 
also NL1 grew a little taller, NL5 was short and squat.
although NL5 is claimed to have a little thai or something in it, it is not any more sativa in the way it grows.
 
HairyKushna said:
Ortega is not a cross of NL1 and NL5.

ive grown NL1, NL2, and NL5.

NL1 was a smooth green earthy taste, slightly longer buds.
NL2 was more resiny, more chuncky type of buds. taste was stronger, sharper, a bit like pine and skunk.
NL5 grew nice plump dense buds with light orange hairs. very resiny but I let it go cause I thought it was boring in the flavor department.

if I only knew back then...im sure we all would have done things different.

overall, I think NL2 was the best quality by itself. maybe NL5 was the best for breeding though...
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I thought NL 5 was just an really frosty clone only not sure of the cross or anything but was never sold pure only in crosses :confused: At least that's what I heard I'm no cannabis historian though.
 
DrGreengrass said:
Can someone give me some insight as how #1 differs from #5, I'm really interested in MNS Ortega I know it's a cross of the mentioned strains.
I'm not being lazy and not researching for the info but you guys know there's a dozen different strains with the same names I would just like to maybe here it straight from the breeder himself (I have high hopes shanti will respond here)
Thanks everyone in advance you guys are always willing to give information
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Ortega sounds like a nice strain, ive had it on the radar for awhile. There's alot of info from many sources on this site about northern lights.

shantibaba said:
HI all

well Ortega was based on work from Neville and was a selection of an afghan which was also known Northern Lights 1. It was then consumed under the Sensi seeds label when Neville sold it.Breeder Steve made a selection of his version and it was a good plant.

I am using the old seed from 1987 of Nev, not a big selection came up but was a quality strain and full of excellent stable phenotypes. It is not an F1 seed but an inbreed line and after the selection work parts of it are being used in other hybrids and research work.

It tends to flower bwteen 6-8 weeks at 12/12, and enjoys a strong feeding regime. Unlike the large colas of flower clusters it produces flowers up the stem of medium size but density is on its side.

More in the medicinal range of plants for those with muscular tension disorders and for those who need to stimulate appetite and sleep...as far as i am concerned. But we can add to it everybody who does a thread to get a better over view....hope that helps a little Sb
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Nevil said:
The Northern Lights#1 was a pure strain from the pacific N.W. of America. It had nothing to do with Ortega lines initially, although I did cross them.
NL 1 was pretty special, it was all Indica. Good pure Indica strains were pretty hard to find in those days. I didn't hold it back, I sold it pure.

Dr Atomics stuff looks like NL2x5. I don't see much Thai in it. I probably perpetuated the Thai/NL5 myth. The U.S. NL5 had Thai in it and I repeated the description given to me. Although mine was from the same family, it never showed any Thai characteristics.
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maybe Maple Leaf Indica is also from Nev?
Nevil said:
Yep and I got it from Jim Ortega.
Most of those "new" Sensi varieties were from stock that I had been trialling. When I left, I offered to clean up all the useless backup cuttings I had made. The Jamaican was one of them. Ben obviously thought I was trying to sabotage him and insisted on keeping them. It was all crap and I pity people who bought seeds from them after I left. Lots of diversity there for people who want to save the gene pool though ;)
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Nevil said:
Maple Leaf was not related to Northern Lights and didn't cross well with pure NL. Too much Indica. Hybrids of both strains dis cross well when they contained more sativa.
ML loves Skunk1. My nose and intuition tells me that these two are distantly related.

Jim Ortega is around and can speak for himself if he chooses. I get the feeling that he has spoken before and few listened.

The Afghan/hash plant is probably HPxNL1. Not a great yielder but gee it was strong.
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The best guess is that Nevil Schoenmakers created the new seeds by further hybridizing and inbreeding the plants that he acquired from the Indian to their old stock.
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I met the Indian to obtain the US NL5 cutting two years after getting the seeds. This was the only NL cutting that I ever got. If I ever sold seeds from this US cut, it wasn't for long. It was already superseded before it got it.
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Nevil said:
I went to the US to pick up the original US NL5. It wasn't in the same league as mine. The NL boys from the US came to me for my NL5 offspring. It was much better than the original.
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Nevil said:
Mine were from that plant (US NL5) and all of the brothers and sisters seemed typical of the line, except one. I expect it was a throwback. It's hard to glean information about breeding from underground sources, but I can assure you that I've spent a lot of time analysing the results of the original NL lines. My NL5 seemed to have characteristics of NL2 and NL1, but had completely dropped any Thai influence from the mother. If you have bred enough plants containing indica, you will have seen some of these throwback indicas. They are not all great, but the short indica like 8 week anomaly will pop up.
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NL #5 x NL#1

NL#5 x NL #1 Was the Seed bank version of NL #5 .
The information is here in posts .
The NL#1 was the key. From him came Hash Plant x NL#1 And G13 x HP / NL#1 and the NL#5 version from Holland .
Baffles me why this other batch of NL#1 x NL#5 is named Ortega ?

Know I think about it . The sexes are reversed compared to old NL#5 from The Seed Bank . ? Is that deliberate ? Or were the sexes of the parents changed in a later incarnation ?
 
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DrGreengrass said:
Can someone give me some insight as how #1 differs from #5, I'm really interested in MNS Ortega I know it's a cross of the mentioned strains.
I'm not being lazy and not researching for the info but you guys know there's a dozen different strains with the same names I would just like to maybe here it straight from the breeder himself (I have high hopes shanti will respond here)
Thanks everyone in advance you guys are always willing to give information
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NL1 was a Male Plant, NL2 was a Male Plant
NL5 was a Female plant
that is the main difference.
All Different Pheno typical expressions of the Northern Lights Seed Strain
NL1 seed was sold as an ibl thru Nevils Seed Bank
NL2 and NL5 were sold only as Hybrid Seed thru Nevils Seed Bank

MNS Ortega is an IBL of NL1/NL5 as it is written in the strains seed list.

http://www.mrnice.nl/dhtml/strains.php?id=60


PM Shantibaba and ask him for the facts. He is usually very forthcoming and is a good man.

ax
 
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well all the clones I received of NL's were females. this was late 90's so there wasn't as much bs with names going on, but its always possible.
good thing about being in the us, some things get passed around, could be older or the same as the genetics the breeders acquired.
it would be foolish to assume all strains are lost just because the breeders that acquired them lost them, they didn't create them and they weren't the first and only people to have them.
 
NL1 was a Male Plant, NL2 was a Male Plant
NL5 was a Female plant
that is the main difference.
All Different Pheno typical expressions of the Northern Lights Seed Strain
NL1 seed was sold as an ibl thru Nevils Seed Bank
NL2 and NL5 were sold only as Hybrid Seed thru Nevils Seed Bank
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I agree with the details above .
I think the Northern Lights Crew were beginning to segregate the lines . As per the numbering system .
I read that NL#2 Was a Kush type . NL#1 was a columnar plant . And NL #5 produced the most resin .
NL #5 x NL #1 was the NL#5 sold in seed bank catalogues . Is what we were told by the original seed maker here on this board .

1986 catalogue .

NL #9 x Sk#1 , NL x Afghan #1

1987 Catalogue

Big Bud x Nl #1

From the 1989 Seed bank catalogue .
NL #5 x NL #2 , G13 x NL#2 , Hawaiian Indica x NL#1 , Hash Plant x NL#1,NL#2 F [3] NL#5 x Hz, Hash Plant / NL#1 x Swazi .

That`s a lotta hybrids .
 
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Great topic, if not a confusing one!
So I take it there was some Afghan dominant plant or strain someone bred a long time ago (before the late 80's), and they called it Northern Lights and clones were passed around? I take it then that that person/people worked with it further and created the NL1, 2, 5, 9, and so on (what happened to the missing numbers?)? But yet it seems people in Europe bred it and then the Seattle area people worked with that?
All I know is Dutch Passion had/has a strain called Oasis which it says is NL2. I hope to sort out all this confusion! :D thanks
 
yes, I was also under the impression that the different NL's were different seedlines, not just a single male clone. how they are all related and how they differ is where it gets a bit more confusing.
 
NL Greg

A member here by the name of NL Greg could shed more light .
He was the seed banks source of NL .

He told me he sent the gear to Holland as the laws were changing in the USA and he had a young family to think of .

Afghan x Hawaiian is what he told me is the lineage . Who knows where the Hawaiian came from originally .
 
You are not the mary mary I knew once from another forum (from OK, went to prison) right? Anyway, always good to get new info on old legends.
 
Sorry didn't mean to worry you or anything, if that's what the title meant.
I feel bad, the person I knew and her boyfriend got 10 or 15 years (she got 10 I think). She should be out soon if not already out, but I lost the address and never sent letters like I had planned. Close "forum friend" on a forum where few others communicated with me. I feel bad but hope she is doing ok. peace
 
Mary Mary said:
A member here by the name of NL Greg could shed more light .
He was the seed banks source of NL .

He told me he sent the gear to Holland as the laws were changing in the USA and he had a young family to think of .

Afghan x Hawaiian is what he told me is the lineage . Who knows where the Hawaiian came from originally .
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Northern lights # 1 was Nevils Afghani crossed with the Seattle Afghan strain form Steve Murphy. The higher the number meant more sativa in the 11 packets of seed I mailed to Nevil. I sent seed to Ben and Kees at Sensi too for giving me the nutrient formula for Grodan and Seattle water.
 
Respect

Hi Greg . Now that is the kind of info we have been chasing for a long while .
Thanks for takin the time .


Do you know anything re a cut from Washington / Seattle they call Pez ?
Friends from up there think its is possibly an old Northern Lights prototype .

Lopez Island seems to be its original home .
 
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