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I am like you havent had any Jamaican since the 80's, so i am looking forward to trying this strain.
I remember seeing some good pics of a Jamaican in the Great book of Cannabis, I would scan it if the law hadnt decided I wasnt allowed to have it
I had some plants swept away, bet they are growing somwhere, if it wasnt so hot I would go for a bash through the lantana and have a look......but I HATE the stuff when its dry and hot, gets so spiky.
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I have seen pics of Jamaicans but as Bob Marley complained in the late 70s in a HT interview about how it was getting real heard to find proper Lambsbread and all the growers had turned to Collie weed which was eithe imported genes or hybrids of local sats and imports I was never sure if the plants I was looking at were Jamaican sats or a modern introduction. The few plants I've grown from Jamaican bagseed have all been hybrids for sure.
Is the Jamaican you have the pure version of the one Charlie bred with to make Caribe?
That Ortega looks strange, nice as you say but the way the buds are forming and the leaves really don't look like a pure indica. I guess we're seeing the plant adapt to the hot and humid conditions. Always got to remember phenotype = genotype + environment and your environment is sod all like Afghanistan.
Sorry to hear some got washed away, they might indeed carry on growing if they washed up in a decent spot.
It's bloody cold here, 4C, so I could do with some hot weather. Is Lantana a grass?
Is the Jamaican you have the pure version of the one Charlie bred with to make Caribe?
That Ortega looks strange, nice as you say but the way the buds are forming and the leaves really don't look like a pure indica. I guess we're seeing the plant adapt to the hot and humid conditions. Always got to remember phenotype = genotype + environment and your environment is sod all like Afghanistan.
Sorry to hear some got washed away, they might indeed carry on growing if they washed up in a decent spot.
It's bloody cold here, 4C, so I could do with some hot weather. Is Lantana a grass?
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Hey Bushy that Ortega does look nice, but check out this Chocolope
Plus a pic of the Choco, Nev Hz, Haw x Nam, Haw x G13 , Fet 303, Panama Red and MM, HN, Doors and Nev Haze, Haw x Nam.
I had another nice Doors as well but it got knocked down in the flood, it is coming back though.
Plus a pic of the Choco, Nev Hz, Haw x Nam, Haw x G13 , Fet 303, Panama Red and MM, HN, Doors and Nev Haze, Haw x Nam.
I had another nice Doors as well but it got knocked down in the flood, it is coming back though.
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Yeah mate it is from Charlie's early stock and its the pure one, I have been putting up pics for him over at IC.....I think it is putting a smile on his face.
I dont really know about the Ortega it is the only one I have left, so i cant compare it to others.
Trust me BH you do not want the weather we are having, it would kill you..lol
It really is hot here at the moment, add that to the humidity and it just drains you, I am getting up at 5am, working till 1pm then feet up until it gets cooler around 6pm.
lantana is a introduced plant that just loves the tropics, sub tropics and gets out of control. It gets big and will grow up and cover everything, it also has these small spikes on it everywhere and they just break off in your skin.......The good thing is it a high N fixer and once cleared it grows the best MJ, but clearing it and digging up all the roots is a nightmare.
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The weather does sound harsh as does that Lantana. I've often mused about how there is bugger all dangerous in the English countryside where I live, nothing poisonous, no shortage of water, no dangerous animals, biggest predator is the badger! Biggest wild animal you might see is a red deer but those are terrified of humans.
I just harvested a Mazar-i-Sharif that wasn't very indica looking either and that's a pure Afghani so I suppose there is the possibility of a more sativa looking expression out of those 'indica' lines. I crossed the Mazar to my Colombian male, could be interesting. The Mazar wasn't anything special, not that resinous, smelled nice, bit like juniper berries, I chopped her at 75 days and she could have gone a week or two longer so not a fast line either but I figured a cross to the Colombian might be interesting. The Mazar does have huge calyxes so it does have some positive traits.
I just harvested a Mazar-i-Sharif that wasn't very indica looking either and that's a pure Afghani so I suppose there is the possibility of a more sativa looking expression out of those 'indica' lines. I crossed the Mazar to my Colombian male, could be interesting. The Mazar wasn't anything special, not that resinous, smelled nice, bit like juniper berries, I chopped her at 75 days and she could have gone a week or two longer so not a fast line either but I figured a cross to the Colombian might be interesting. The Mazar does have huge calyxes so it does have some positive traits.
I think the problem that people in the cannabis community have is that there should be more categories for cannabis.
Squat short hashplants: Indicas from Northern India, Pakistan, Kush range from Afghanistan
Afghanica: anything from tall sativas or narrow leaf, to broad leaf hashplants. Afghanistan was prevalently growing narrow leafed varieties up into the early 70's then toward the mid 70's the king of Afghanistan pushed the growers toward the faster larger yielding hashplants to supply world demand for the best ghashish in the world at that time.
Sativas: Highland, lowland, creepers, vine types, Christmas tree, columnar, fox tails and the list goes on.
I don't have the answer but I think the old: sativa, Indica, ruderalis classifications just aren't enough to explain all the differences within the cannabis gene pool.
Aside from my babble.. nice plants Kanga! Love to see your work bro. Sorry to hear about the extreme heat and Cyclones..ugh..
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Thanx Snow, much appreciated coming from you.
BH that sounds like a nice cross, I have RSC Mazar and Shanti's Mazar, that I think Nev collected back in the day, I am still not sure, but I will get to the bottom of it one day ...lol. But I only have Shanti's in.
I am with you Snow I think there are so many different types of Sativa and Indica that a classification would be nice.
I have Ghana and Pakistan growing now and they both have a similar structure, same as the Leb Red, but flowering times are completly different, I cant even get the Leb Red to Re veg under 24hrs of light.
Anyway I am glad for such a diversity as it makes for interesting growing this year and has definetly kept me on my toes.
So when do we get to see some more pics Snow ???
BH that sounds like a nice cross, I have RSC Mazar and Shanti's Mazar, that I think Nev collected back in the day, I am still not sure, but I will get to the bottom of it one day ...lol. But I only have Shanti's in.
I am with you Snow I think there are so many different types of Sativa and Indica that a classification would be nice.
I have Ghana and Pakistan growing now and they both have a similar structure, same as the Leb Red, but flowering times are completly different, I cant even get the Leb Red to Re veg under 24hrs of light.
Anyway I am glad for such a diversity as it makes for interesting growing this year and has definetly kept me on my toes.
So when do we get to see some more pics Snow ???
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hey mr kanga ,, plants are looking fine i see ,
a credit to your growing skills in a difficult year thats for sure ..
i had a bit of alook for some background info on the chocolope strain but couldnt find too much ,, does any one know anything ..
it has a very familiar look about it ...
a credit to your growing skills in a difficult year thats for sure ..
i had a bit of alook for some background info on the chocolope strain but couldnt find too much ,, does any one know anything ..
it has a very familiar look about it ...
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Thanx Donald....Yeah mate it sure has been a hard year and now I am watering like mad and you can be sure I am NOT going to pray for rain....LOL
I am sure British_ Hempire wont mind me putting this up......Chocolope is really nice, well, the cut that is common in Holland is, seen that cut grown a few times in friend's gardens and it is heavily indica, looks like a Bubba Kush type plant but yields better, grows very solid nugs, has a sweet but rich and complex taste, good stuff. It's Chocolate Thai x Cannaloupe Haze and Cannaloupe Haze is probably C99 so the one with the longer heads will be the C99 leaning one.
Ok I have 2 phenos the one you see now is the longer head one and the other looks like it is going to be nice nuggets, it is going to finish later than this one. I will put some pics up later.
I guess if you are working with C99 then maybe thats why it looks familiar. Cannalope haze- Haze Brothers x Mexican Sativa.
Not sure what HZ BrO is.......any enlightment on that ???
My plan is to cross it with a male from my Highland Oaxacan x WW.
Here are some pics of that strain.
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Hiya kanga
Quite happy for you to quote me on the Chocolope. My friend jamieshoes placed second in last year's icmag grower's cup with Chocolope, he entered it under the name 'Shatner's Bassoon' so people would judge it fairly, DNA being poison in Gypsy's mind.
The story on Cannaloupe Haze is that DNA claimed they bred it from a Michoacan Sativa and a Haze Bros Haze. Well, quite frankly, I knew that was bull first time I read it, before I heard any of the controversy.
Michoacan is just north of Oaxaca and the strains are in some ways pretty similar, so a pure Michoacan is going to take at least 13-14 weeks indoors. Cross that to a pure Haze and what do you get? Something that is going to be pure sativa, take months to flower and not be suited to growing indoors. Yet Cannaloupe Haze is an 8 week chunky hybrid.
Gypsy reckons it's C99, I agree from the bit I smoked in Gray Area a few years ago and pics of it. If it isn't C99 then it's a C99 hybrid.
Funny anecdote, back in 2007 at the Telford Expo was sat outside with the DNA boys and some others having a smoke and Shanti joined us. I saw him arrive as he stood next to me but it took the DNA boys a minute or to to notice he had arrived. They were talking about Cannaloupe Haze and Haze in general and Aaron was just getting starting talking about 'that Haze C male coming through in crosses' or something like that and I looked at Shanti and rolled my eyes and he just grinned and I had to turn away with a hand over my gob to not snigger. Aaron looked up, saw Shanti and changed the subject.
Anyways, your plant looks very nice and healthy with plenty of resin and good density. Reminds me of C99 too but Wally knows that girl better than I so I wonder if he agrees?
I agree with snowhigh that it's hard to classify plants. The Mazar isn't the first Afghan I've grown that was more like a Nepali sativa than a classical Deep Chunk type Afghan.
My Mazar was from RSC, I have more of those seeds and one day I might find a better Mazar individual to work with.
I really want their Lebanese but I have bought packs of it twice and had no success, germ rates were poor and the seedlings were very prone to damping off so the ones that did sprout didn't last long.
Quite happy for you to quote me on the Chocolope. My friend jamieshoes placed second in last year's icmag grower's cup with Chocolope, he entered it under the name 'Shatner's Bassoon' so people would judge it fairly, DNA being poison in Gypsy's mind.
The story on Cannaloupe Haze is that DNA claimed they bred it from a Michoacan Sativa and a Haze Bros Haze. Well, quite frankly, I knew that was bull first time I read it, before I heard any of the controversy.
Michoacan is just north of Oaxaca and the strains are in some ways pretty similar, so a pure Michoacan is going to take at least 13-14 weeks indoors. Cross that to a pure Haze and what do you get? Something that is going to be pure sativa, take months to flower and not be suited to growing indoors. Yet Cannaloupe Haze is an 8 week chunky hybrid.
Gypsy reckons it's C99, I agree from the bit I smoked in Gray Area a few years ago and pics of it. If it isn't C99 then it's a C99 hybrid.
Funny anecdote, back in 2007 at the Telford Expo was sat outside with the DNA boys and some others having a smoke and Shanti joined us. I saw him arrive as he stood next to me but it took the DNA boys a minute or to to notice he had arrived. They were talking about Cannaloupe Haze and Haze in general and Aaron was just getting starting talking about 'that Haze C male coming through in crosses' or something like that and I looked at Shanti and rolled my eyes and he just grinned and I had to turn away with a hand over my gob to not snigger. Aaron looked up, saw Shanti and changed the subject.
Anyways, your plant looks very nice and healthy with plenty of resin and good density. Reminds me of C99 too but Wally knows that girl better than I so I wonder if he agrees?
I agree with snowhigh that it's hard to classify plants. The Mazar isn't the first Afghan I've grown that was more like a Nepali sativa than a classical Deep Chunk type Afghan.
My Mazar was from RSC, I have more of those seeds and one day I might find a better Mazar individual to work with.
I really want their Lebanese but I have bought packs of it twice and had no success, germ rates were poor and the seedlings were very prone to damping off so the ones that did sprout didn't last long.
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Bad pic of my Mazar at 72 days, chopped her at 75 because she didn't look, smell or feel anything special, wasn't very sticky; the seeds she was bearing were very mature so I chopped her, removed the seeds and have the plant matter drying to make hash from. Now it's drying there's a nice hashy smell coming off it. I didn't keep a clone and I shouldn't judge it really without getting it dialled in, but I think there are much better plants to be found from this Mazar line. No idea what the cross to the Colombian will be like until someone grows it out, I've got 5 germing for a little look-see. I have a feeling this cross will be better outdoors as I expect it will produce very big plants bursting with hybrid vigour as the two parentals are completely unrelated and both have tons of vigour in their own right.
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I thought the ortega was bushweeds so I posted in corntrash as well
Did it have 3 leafsets when sprouted?
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I Thought it flowered a bit early for that much Sat in it, anyway it really is a nice looking plant. I will get some pics of the other plant I have, which is a later maturer. I did think about getting C99 at one stage, but changed my mind as I did with a lot of hybrids except MNS's
BH I have fresh Leb seeds from Angus that I will put in to make some more seed this winter. When I contacted him awhile back he said that the Leb and Mazar are getting very hard to obtain, so I ordered a bit when he had fresh stuff. I actually have all his strains here and I am trying to do a open poll on them when I can.
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Honestly mate I dont really remember, I had all the mns strains together and only really checked them for sex.....yeah I know slack isnt it
I should document everything, but when you have a few strains it is very hard, I also have a business and that takes up a lot of my time as well
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Just been catching up with your thread Kanga plants look terrific as always. How close did you come to losing them with the rains. ?
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Thanx mate.....I didnt come close, I did lose some
Here are some pics, the plants laying down are OHxWW, MMxWW and MM, I left these down because they still have a few months of growing, so will still get nice and bushy. The gaps are missing plants and who knows where they have gone, Ill go looking later
This Jamaican Blue Mountain got knocked down, but I left it as well and as you can see is coming back nice and bushy
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Thanx mate.....I didnt come close, I did lose some
Here are some pics, the plants laying down are OHxWW, MMxWW and MM, I left these down because they still have a few months of growing, so will still get nice and bushy. The gaps are missing plants and who knows where they have gone, Ill go looking later
This Jamaican Blue Mountain got knocked down, but I left it as well and as you can see is coming back nice and bushy
Shit man what a nightmare
those old picks of mullumbimby madness Kanga from the 80s from a few pages down, were those taken from your days in California ? if you know the ones I mean lol.