Interview with the Joint Doctor - Lowryder

[genegenie]

You could say the same thing about Nev's Haze,ie,'' how can you call that a haze as it's been crossed with indica genes''?

If the cross is done properly as was done with Nevilles Haze, then the Auto-Haze could work too, is that not what proper breeding is about? Combining genes together to produce offspring that have the desired characteristics from each parent? It's one of the reasons I'm here at MNS instead of anywhere else, proper breeding techniques.

You might have to grow out a huge amount of plants to find the right combination, but that's what seperates the men from the boys

Peace,
GG

 

[BlizzOut]

Combining gens to got some new strain by most wanted characteristics/gens is called breeding.

Most wanted gens and exact gen should not be a same thing.

Calling an strain auto-Haze is ok and right, but crossing Ruderalis with Nevilles Haze and call it auto-Neville's Haze is wrong cause many Neville's Haze characteristics are changed.

Do that with some strain who are rich in anthocyanins and name it Purple Neville's Haze.
So its pure Neville's Haze just color are slightly changed and nothing more ..... ?

 

[brock1]

[Combining gens to got some new strain by most wanted characteristics/gens is called breeding.

Most wanted gens and exact gen should not be a same thing.

Calling an strain auto-Haze is ok and right, but crossing Ruderalis with Nevilles Haze and call it auto-Neville's Haze is wrong cause many Neville's Haze characteristics are changed.]


I agree if you cross neville's haze to a auto strain and call it neville's haze it's wrong 100% unless neville him self made it. auto haze would be the appropriate name for it as its not neville's haze but its could be called ruderalis or lowrider ect x nevilles haze aswell because the names not misleading and pretty much says its a cross.


[Do that with some strain who are rich in anthocyanins and name it Purple Neville's Haze.
So its pure Neville's Haze just color are slightly changed and nothing more ..... ?]


yes i agree its just neville's haze. but a in breed line not a f1 and by selection you would of lost some of the pheno's but its still a pure neville's so has every right to keep the name or have it changed to suit the pheno. so your wright in what your saying mate.

i agree with what your saying i think most people do. a plants name should not be misleading by its name or use of its name as a king of false advertising. auto neville's haze should never exist unless neville makes it him self.

 

[BlizzOut]

At Neville's Haze I looking like one combination of wanted gens in breeding.
He got it and he stop working on Haze, so here is new genetic combination called Neville's Haze.

Now (by me) even Neville cant change Neville's Haze.
I do not buying story of couple companies who fuck up parents so with hard work they somehow find similar male or female parent and again use same strain name and call it improved ....

Simple, BMW 745 have own characteristics and ppls buy it cause that, we cant playing just little with bumpers, just little change engine power, just replace sits and call it BMW 745.
Yes it is BMW 745 but its not original, its our view of BMW 745.

Maybe Im wrong but to much liberal attitude about names and genetics brings very big confusion where everything is possible (to much space for lies).

 

[La Buena Hierba]

La Buena Hierba, any reason for choosing auto ak47?

it whas the best autoflower of that time good yeiling good taste and nice high (ofcorse for a autoflowering)

i seleced thise cross till f3 for autoflowering and cross a autoflowering haze x ak47 male back too Haze and thats now on F5 (seeds)
its great smoke but thise Autoflowering Haze are long flowering.
14 /15 weeks flowering some les .
from seeds till floweing it takes 5/6 weeks
how longer the veg how longer the flowering on thise
(ofcorse on 24 light tested)

Why autoflowering ? for us here in Holland is not posebel too grow Haze ore long flowering sativa's .outdoor.
but long flowering sativa's that autoflower we can grow
here outdoor

i make thise crooses not for selling seeds but for my Geurillia grows
(Haze sells more $$)
but i now working on perfecting thise becorse i got lot on pm on thise crosses ( soon i have some new auto haze pic)

sorry for my bad english hope you understand what i trying too sey


Peace

 

[BlizzOut]

it whas the best autoflower of that time good yeiling good taste and nice high (ofcorse for a autoflowering)

This is a point !
I see in these words to not only flowering are changed but many other characteristics.

Hence that is "of course for an autoflowering".
Compromise are made and it's obvious to not just only/one gen is changed nor it's possible in crossing to change just one characteristic/gen.

 

[La Buena Hierba]

This is a point !
I see in these words to not only flowering are changed but many other characteristics.

yes indeed lot of things changed but parts can be breed out

Hence that is "of course for an autoflowering".
Compromise are made and it's obvious to not only one gen are changed nor it's possible in crossing to change just one characteristic/gen.

Auto AK47 is not bad is realy good but you can not compare it too Neville's Haze ore of that type
but again auto AK47 is cross of lowryder x AK47 its way beter than lowryder ever step a autoflower can be beter.


its hard for me too understand you because my english is very bad.
i think i understand you .
i breed dogs for meany year but let me explaine what you mean (what i think)

for crossing we have brown Bulldog female and we cross her too a white
jack russel male.
oke offspring are hybrids some will look bulldog some jack most will be look like crosses
some white some brown
now i want a white bulldog so i select from the litter of dogs the most white type of bulldog famale and male i breed them
of those offspring i select a white male that look like a bulldog the most and cross him back too the Bulldog mom there will be not many white dogs in the letter but there will be some and they will look like bulldog

same is for auto haze
white = autoflowering
bulldog = Haze
(ofcorse this is basic there are more things like the brown ones that carring the white gen only)

i know its not pure haze but you can breed too selection for the haze types
its a long prosses and takes lots of plants too select.

but its same as Neville's Haze its got some NL in there for shortring the flowering time same as for my autoflowering haze it got some Auto AK47 for the autoflowering but its selection is for haze type but with autoflowering


If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be Haze

 

[BlizzOut]

What do you think is a realistic outdoor yield for the Original Lowryder?

Outdoors, you can get between 3-7 grams per plant. Indoors, you can double that amount with good lighting.

Lowryder Is type of Ruderalis.
lowryder x AK47 is ruderalis x AK47

Now, 3-7 grams per plant ??
For 10 seeds what cost you
""Lowryder (10seeds)
€42.00 ""

Let me count for you.
10 seeds = 5-6 females x 3-7grams = 15-35 grams
€42.00 / 15-35 grams = 2,8 euro per gram - 1,2 euro per gram cost you to produce that ONE GRAM of Lowryder
Wont take in price cost of working/time, nutrients, gambling with jail cause growing etc
What is price in Holland for Lowryder per gram ?


AK47 cost €80.00 so it will cost you 0,026 euro per gram ...
What is price in Holland for AK47 per gram ?

Wait, probably I dont get it all of hyped things about Ruderalis/Lowryder/Autoflowering ... so I will be away , better than speaking in empty ....

 

[La Buena Hierba]

those prices are indeed not good i dint make them and i dont buy them .lol
but on my auto haze and crosses i got till 40 grams a plant
i fine with that becorse they small (80 cm till 1meter-20 cm)
i will test them now this year for yieling becorse in the past i dint feed them and give them small pots ore let them grow geurillia .
i can update you guy's on thise auto haze grow if you like and if its oke here on MNS forum.
i planning too cross my Autoflowering Haze too Neville's Haze too but still need too fine a nice cutt/kloon for this
i also cross my autoflowerring Haze too
ACE Oldtimers Haze X CBG's Meao Thai (male)
for making a nice auto sativa its now F2 i find some autoflowering in here
i know its not Neville's Haze but still i like too make difriend strains
becorse variation is the spice of live

peace

 

[brock1]

Lowryder Is type of Ruderalis.
lowryder x AK47 is ruderalis x AK47

Now, 3-7 grams per plant ??
For 10 seeds what cost you
""Lowryder (10seeds)
€42.00 ""

Let me count for you.
10 seeds = 5-6 females x 3-7grams = 15-35 grams
€42.00 / 15-35 grams = 2,8 euro per gram - 1,2 euro per gram cost you to produce that ONE GRAM of Lowryder
Wont take in price cost of working/time, nutrients, gambling with jail cause growing etc
What is price in Holland for Lowryder per gram ?


AK47 cost €80.00 so it will cost you 0,026 euro per gram ...
What is price in Holland for AK47 per gram ?

Wait, probably I dont get it all of hyped things about Ruderalis/Lowryder/Autoflowering ... so I will be away , better than speaking in empty ....

who got 3-7grams? that's bad even for a lowrider when i grow lowrider2 i got about 3/4oz and of the automaria i got 27grams from 1 plant. 1 seed cost about £5 each. grow in the corner of a mother room on waist light and i didn't feed them at all so £5 seed 10weeks wait and what can i get for 27grams at least £150 that's £145 profit for light i would normally waist.

 

[brock1]

those prices are indeed not good i dint make them and i dont buy them .lol
but on my auto haze and crosses i got till 40 grams a plant
i fine with that becorse they small (80 cm till 1meter-20 cm)
i will test them now this year for yieling becorse in the past i dint feed them and give them small pots ore let them grow geurillia .
i can update you guy's on thise auto haze grow if you like and if its oke here on MNS forum.
i planning too cross my Autoflowering Haze too Neville's Haze too but still need too fine a nice cutt/kloon for this
i also cross my autoflowerring Haze too
ACE Oldtimers Haze X CBG's Meao Thai (male)
for making a nice auto sativa its now F2 i find some autoflowering in here
i know its not Neville's Haze but still i like too make difriend strains
becorse variation is the spice of live

peace

nice plant you got there La Buena Hierba. keep it up nothing's perfect and we all like to improve things good luck with your breeding mate.

 

[BlizzOut]

who got 3-7grams? that's bad even for a lowrider when i grow lowrider2 i got about 3/4oz and of the automaria i got 27grams from 1 plant. 1 seed cost about £5 each. grow in the corner of a mother room on waist light and i didn't feed them at all so £5 seed 10weeks wait and what can i get for 27grams at least £150 that's £145 profit for light i would normally waist.

brock1, can you read first post in this thread, 3-7 grams are Joint Doc words ... he say so , not me.

i found them great little thing's for chucking in the mother room but i wouldn't dream of filling a grow room with auto's.

I see problem in filling room with autos....and its not about cost nor flow time .... I smell quality issues.

 

[brock1]

brock1, can you read first post in this thread Joint Doc words ... he say so , not me.

sorry mate. maybe it's time to refresh my memory and read the full thread again. i have never grow lowrider#1 and that's what he's talking about so can't say what they yield from my experience. most of the lowriderx's do yield alot better though. i under stand you don't like them there not for most people. just people like me that live in a cannabis plant hell but still love growing outdoor. i like plants that can stay small and grow fast. its a good plant for breeders imoa aswell because. to start on a plant that auto give you the benefit of breeding faster when your just getting started with breeding projects. if you mess up you haven't waisted as much time. imoa its not the best plant for breeding but in the uk for breeding outdoor its a good starting plant to breed with.

 

[La Buena Hierba]

a big problem is with auto flowers is that people treat them bad
bad siol small pot containers no feeding.
they need to be planted direct in the big containers from seed
they need good light
they do beter with liquid veg and flower feeding too
those things dont do the people wen they test autoflowers
they think it will grow great by it self.

peace

 

[La Buena Hierba]

Here a pic of Autoflowering Haze i maked outdoor in Amsterdam.
They are flowering now for 2 and a hafe weeks
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=133124

peace

 

[L33t]

Hey LBH

Great looking auto Haze plant ,

i really like your auto haze projects ,
giving the opportunity to growers that are way far from the equator/tropics to grow haze hybrids whenever they want throughout all year is very interesting and useful

Regarding low yield with JD's Lowryder , I agree most people growing autos do not have much experience with plants so its no wonder they get very low yields. I ve gotten over 1-1.5oz with LR (organics/soil indoors and out) and I ve even seen 3oz LR in hydro so there is no doubt that the potential for descent yield is there

Btw I was wondering how many weeks do your auto Haze roughly take from germination to harvest ?

 

[La Buena Hierba]

Hey LBH

Great looking auto Haze plant ,

i really like your auto haze projects ,
giving the opportunity to growers that are way far from the equator/tropics to grow haze hybrids whenever they want throughout all year is very interesting and useful

Regarding low yield with JD's Lowryder , I agree most people growing autos do not have much experience with plants so its no wonder they get very low yields. I ve gotten over 1-1.5oz with LR (organics/soil indoors and out) and I ve even seen 3oz LR in hydro so there is no doubt that the potential for descent yield is there

Btw I was wondering how many weeks do your auto Haze roughly take from germination to harvest ?

thanks a lot l33t indeed this haze will be great for outdoor grower is the cold noord

my auto haze still have a lot of pheno's (all sativa so good)
but it can take from seed till harved 5 till 6 months from seed (but also more go les )
the flowering show afther 7 weeks

still looking for a great a trong Neville's Haze
for making my auto Haze special touch

oke thanks for reaply
hope you will like The autoflowering Haze some day

sorry for my bad english
peace

 

[brock1]

i agree L33t the first auto i grow was left in a small pot till it started flowering and then went in a 9lt pot. i got about 3/4oz dry still not bad considering. last one i done get put straight in a 11lt pot got no feed unlike the first but still yielded 1oz dry with thrips and spider mite damage. root space really maters with auto plant. if your look after them unlike me lol you could get a reasonable yield. not the best but not bad.

 

[Joe King Park]

a big problem is with auto flowers is that people treat them bad
bad siol small pot containers no feeding.
they need to be planted direct in the big containers from seed
they need good light
they do beter with liquid veg and flower feeding too
those things dont do the people wen they test autoflowers
they think it will grow great by it self.

peace

The Deeper The Better For Autos
65 Litre Containers Are Perfect I.M.E
Last Lowryders (#2) HR- Were All Hermies And With The Force Flowering Of The White Russian X Lowryder I Was Testing I Was Put Off This Method
I Am Exited By The Deiselryder X Auto AK47's I Am Growing ( They Grow So Fast )
This Is As Close I've Come To The Original Lowryder ; British Columbia's ( Denman Island ) Mighty Mite
I'm Using Manure And Bio Bloom
Don't Have A Clue Whats Happened To These Leda Uno's Though
" Jungle Pygmies " , lol
JKP

 

[La Buena Hierba]

Good Genetics is hafe the work (also with noormal strains)
lot of fake and bad genetics on the inernet
people try too make a Quick buck on autoflowers

peace