How to choose a mother n father

BudBo

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As you all kno i'm still a beginner n i hav alot of ?'s i jus wanna kno all i can so any help is a apreciated i was wondering tho how would u choose the best mother n father plants to hybrid wit would u grow a bunch out and let them all bud and then u smoke them and c wich ones u liked the most? the reason i ask this is that i herd that a cannabis plant can only go threw budding 3 times in its plant life if this is true than would u grow out the plant u figure u love it cus its good yield smell n potency but wat now? do u bring that plant bak to life after u raped her of her buds? or do u clone her n make hybrids wit her clones(is this posible?) Or is all of my answers rong haha and also i was wondering ive read ppl smoke ther males to see how potent they r for the hybrids i've seen matured males arn't ther buds basically seed sacks would u smoke that to see how the taste n potency of the male was? once again ty all that reply info is greatly appreciated
 
As you all kno i'm still a beginner n i hav alot of ?'s i jus wanna kno all i can so any help is a apreciated i was wondering tho how would u choose the best mother n father plants to hybrid wit would u grow a bunch out and let them all bud and then u smoke them and c wich ones u liked the most?

Yep but you must also consider other characteristics like vigor growth yield , structure etc

the reason i ask this is that i herd that a cannabis plant can only go threw budding 3 times in its plant life


if this is true than would u grow out the plant u figure u love it cus its good yield smell n potency but wat now? do u bring that plant bak to life after u raped her of her buds?


You mean revegging and then flowering again same plant. well I ve heard of others that have revegged and re-flowered for up to 4-5 times then the plant gets weak n dies.Depends on strain some may even not reveg after the first flowering period is over. yield is reduced after 2 or 3 time usually

or do u clone her n make hybrids wit her clones(is this posible?)


Yes this its possible and is more recommended over revegging. Revegging is only used as a last resort usually in the case you hadnt kept a clone early on (clones are taken when plant is still in veg , early flowering max)
With each successive cloning the plant gets acclimatized to its environment and clones usually are more hardy and resistant
Its better to work with clones as many will tell you , cause you grow fresh tissue (leaf n especially root tissue).

also i was wondering ive read ppl smoke ther males to see how potent they r for the hybrids i've seen matured males arn't ther buds basically seed sacks

The males don't have seed sacks they have male flowers (can also have female flowers if they are hermaphrodites but hermies are not wanted for breeding).

would u smoke that to see how the taste n potency of the male was?

Yes you can smoke it , some do but best way to see a males potential is to grow its progeny and see the results

L33t
 
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also i was wondering ive read ppl smoke ther males to see how potent they r for the hybrids i've seen matured males arn't ther buds basically seed sacks would u smoke that to see how the taste n potency of the male was?

Hi Bud,
Yes a good way too test the potency of your male plants is to smoke them, to try to get a feel for what kind of potency they offer. However the pollen sacks that develop on male flowers are recommended to avoid smoking. You should use harvested leaves from the plant, smoking pollen sacks can leave you with quite a headache from my understanding.

Another good test for male plants is how well their progeny does, the offspring created by the male itself. Sometimes you may have to go through a number of males in an effort to find one who imparts the characteristics you feel are desirable into the next generation of seeds created by his pollen.
 
The only real way to breed plants is to grow 100's, and once you know what you want, start keeping and labeling, and growing, and taking notes, and crossing. The ONLY way to tell for certain if plants (male or female) will pass a given characteristic/trait to the offspring (and their flowers) is to test the offspring (and their flowers) while holding on to prospective parents. When you consider that it takes 4-6 months to complete a test cycle, and for each Filial generation (1st cross, 2nd cross, etc...) you will be first growing out (to see how the group performs), then selecting male and female plants to label and clone, and cross, and test the resulting offspring...

Home/commercial growers simply do not have the resources to *properly* breed plants. Breeders breed.

That said, I cross all kinds of plants together. I'm just growing plants out looking for what is new and interesting. I like to speculate as to how the offspring will grow (based on how the parents - female mostly- grew), but there is no way to tell WHICH traits get passed. When you look/smoke/grow weed, there are SOOO many traits. I like to think that say 'rusty red hairs', or 'spiraling calyxes', or 'fat leaves', or big yield/soaring high/ability to clone/stem strength/SMELLS... It goes on and on. Once you grow the offspring, you can see "Looks just like her mother" when you look at certain traits.

Think of kids. 2 people with primarily dark features (hair, eyes, etc) are having kids! You would likely match the kids to the parents given a picture, but you couldn't draw that picture 10 years ahead of time (without growing out the offspring...)

I'm going to begin working on a cross within a few weeks. Last year about this time I crossed a Spice (female) to a SSH (male). I grew the momma probably 15-20 different plants (clones), so I know what traits she had. I have grown ~15-20 different females (offspring) out, so I have an idea of how they grow/smoke as a group. I have also grown out ~15 other females that were fathered by that SSH, so I have an idea of what he passed GENERALLY. From here out, I will be saving females, and testing their offspring. I have an idea of what I want, and I will be selecting towards that goal. I have only just started the real work, and I have been 'working' on the project for over 8 mo. I will be happy if I have a new generation of seed every year (this year being the initial selection), until they breed true.

YOU GOTTA GROW THE BABIES AND KEEP THE PARENTS...:)
 
You all r so helpfull this really helped alot ty you all basically cleared up all my ?'s and i don't want you all to havto keep explainin everything so i'm gunna ask wat i mostly don't understand..if u grow out a mother n then plant her seeds to see her offsprings traits how would you preserve that mother wouldn't that mean she had already been thru one bud cycle? and as L33t said in his reply to my ?'s "I ve heard of others that have revegged and re-flowered for up to 4-5 times then the plant gets weak n dies.Depends on strain some may even not reveg after the first flowering period is over. yield is reduced after 2 or 3 time usually" so does that mean that if i get a mother i love n she ends up not bein able to reveg i won't b able to keep her as a mother ? or would her offspring b wat i would hav2 use again sry if i'm not learnin that quick i'm tryin to consume as much as possible...And Barletta wat ur doin now is basically my dream as i said b4 i want to hybrid cannabis but i don't kno if i specified y i jus like all dif. types pure n mixtures i don't ever really expect myself to b a breeder for a seedbank even tho that would b a dream come true i honestly jus wanna grow and hav my Babies(hybrids) and see them grow but in a way i do want to become a pro breeder in the fact i want to hav everything catergorized in case i do come up on ones i like or a masterpiece i'll hav its exact genetics wich i hope i culd giv all credit to shanti if i end up gettin his seeds i'd love to end life wit a strain living past myself it'd b something i helpd create n culd b something others create off in the future this is all i want to b happy n hav something of me live on after i'm gone.....ooooooookkkk ima stop talkin hah if u all haven't noticed by now i tend to go on n on sry bout that again ty jesse L33t barletta for sharin ur knowledge and not gettin mad at my list of ?


one more ? wen do the seeds show up during the females bud cylce? or wat period? i really jus need to find a list that explain from seed the cycles it will go thru n wat things happen wen sry for my unintellegence in the subject haha again ty all for all your help


ok i'm editing this bcus i reread wat barletta told me and i'm confusin myself hah so wen u get a plant u grow it til ur able to clone it and then grow the clones to see its charateristics? is this the only way to see its characteristics without growing it out or the more common way?
 
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SSH x Spice sounds tastie

O yea Barletta seeing that you are along way ahead of me i kno this mite sound weird but i've been writing down strain hybrids that i'd want and dif names n so on hah kinda jus dreams n goals i ges but jus thinkin them over n i came up wit SSH x Spice(not meanin b4 you jus wen i was thinkin of possible hybrids of mns strains) n i was thinkin that would def. b a good indica/ sativa hybrid because of the 50/50 spice n i think the SSH is like 60/40 from wat i've her that jus sounded like something tastie n i was thinkin of names silver spice or spicey haze w.e the traits wer but then i was thinkin not to b racist in any way but hawaii is well known for surfin an since the Spice is a Hawaiian indica n sative n the SSH is silver thinkin its hybrid may hav a silver look i was thinkin bout a strain Silver Surfer n its ironic because u jus happen to tell me you had hyrided these to so i'm jus suggesting a name n actually jus wanted to tell u bcus it kinda tripped me out wen u told me haha
 
Hey Bud :)

I want to clear up what may be a lil confusion. The term 'mother' as it relates to pot plants.

1. Mother of the seeds
or
2. Mother of clones.

As growers, we mainly are concerned with def #2. There are multiple ways to end up with a mother, but the end result is a plant that you keep in a vegetative state or 18+ hours of light. From this plant you take cuttings (clones), and grow them into separate plants to flower. The advantage of growing this way is that the clones will be very consistient from plant to plant. Clones will grow at similar rates, they will require similar nutrient levels, and they will have (virtually) the same finished product (buds).

The drawbacks to clones are (list not complete, but it's what I could think of):
Slower growth rates, need for 2 lighting schedules, more plants (plant counts...), and like any agricultural crop - disease/pest succeptability.

I try to keep small moms, and grow both seedplants and clones.

There are many ways to get a mother plant, and I'm still pretty new, so I'm sure others have different/better methods, but here is mine:

Start as many seeds as you can (5, 20, 100, whatever). Grow them 4-5wks, then change the light schedule. When they show sex (~2wks into 12/12) take a few cuttings from each of the females. Label the female plants and clones. The clones should root in less than a month. You should end up with at least 2 clones of all of the females. Now flower (12/12) 1 of each those clones, and keep 1 in veg (18+ hrs of light). Now it is subjective, you decide which plants to keep, and which to either run out or give away.

I hope that helps some. :)
 
Ty

Ty yuuuup you cleared up alot haha ty for tellin me it in order i hav another ? tho Could you hav a mother for clones n use her as a mother of a new hybrid? im thinkin no bcus then u'd hav2 put that mother plant in bud cycle but then after that u couldn't save it for clones rite? sry if u already anserd this i'm sry but this is how i get it how u put it i think u get your seeds grow em to b able to b cloned then u keep those "moms" and grow the clones to see wich moms to keep? once u figure wich clones of wat was the best you keep those moms but how do u breed a mother clone plant? if u want it to still giv u those clones after bcus wouldn't that mother plant havto stay in 18 hours to stay clone able basically i'm wonderin if i hav a mother plant that i'm tryin to keep how do i cross that n keep that mom alive something jus doesn't makesense to me bout that i'm sry if its obvious but i don't get that part because you wuld hav a mom plant that your using for clones n than u'd mate it but to put the female in cycle to b able to recieve pollen u've gota put it in bud cycle n wouldn't that end up killin ur mom in the end? ty again for everything i'm tryin hard to re read n remember wat u say so u don't havto say anything twice again ty n don't feel inclined to answer all my ?'s i'm jus askin u bcus u kno wat ur talkin bout n ur bein very respective to a begininner like myself all ur replies r much appreciated
 
if u grow out a mother n then plant her seeds to see her offsprings traits how would you preserve that mother wouldn't that mean she had already been thru one bud cycle?

Yes that female would have been thru one bud cycle already .You can reveg her right after harvest so you keep her alive and in vegative stage so you have the genetics alive till you finish testing the progeny . But revegging doesn't always work .


When breeding you basically work in a different way , work with copies.
You need to have a veg/grow room and a flower/budding room going at the same time.

But lets start take it all from the beginning so you can understand things .

One mother plant can be a female seedplant or a female clone ( taken/cut from a mother seed plant) . Motherplants are kept in a vegative state (18/6 or 24/0 lighting) and exist so we can have available these genetics for bud production and keep them for backup for future use . Motherplants are used to provide us with cuttings/clones that we veg a bit and then we flower or put straight in flower. If you grow a garden full of the same clones its easier to control as all plants are the same , have same needs , and all grow in uniform way plus all provide us with the smoke we selected it for.

Now lets say you buy a pack of seeds , say SSH. You start 3 seeds , veg em under 18/6 lighting for 1 month (or as long as you like) having them labeled , #1,#2,#3
While still in veg (grow mode) you take a cutting/clone from each , label them to so you know from which seedplant each clone is and put the labeled cuttings in a mother/father room where the lighting is always 18/6-veg mode . All 3 cuttings/clones are potential mother/fatherplants.

Then put the 1 month vegged seedplants in flowering mode (aka bud cycle - 12/12 lighting in the flower room).
The plants will show sex . lets say you get 2 females and 1 male. Note:If you leave the male in the flower room it will throw pollen from the male flowers n pollinate the 2 females , so you get seeds.

You now know which seedplants and which cuttings are males n females (labeling).You may want to keep all 3 clones or just the 2 females at this point.(If you're not interested in using the males/ you just toss them.) Lets say you keep both male n female clones cause you wanna make some seeds and you wanna test the offsprings and have the males backed up for future seed production , like breeders do.

You finish flowering of the female seedplants , harvest and sample the smoke. Say you like the overall looks n smoke from the one girl a lot and the other doesn't appeal to you at all .Since you pollinated both flowering female seedplants you ll have seeds in both females these are SSHxSSH.

In your mother room you still have the 2 females clones n 2 male clones and since you didn't like the one of the two females you just throw the respectful cutting away. You're left with the 1 male cutting n the female cutting from the female seedplant you liked.These are your parent stock now ,one motherplant n one fatherplant for future seed production .


and as L33t said in his reply to my ?'s "I ve heard of others that have revegged and re-flowered for up to 4-5 times then the plant gets weak n dies.Depends on strain some may even not reveg after the first flowering period is over. yield is reduced after 2 or 3 time usually"

so does that mean that if i get a mother i love n she ends up not bein able to reveg i won't b able to keep her as a mother ?
Yes, you 'd lose her genetics.


wen do the seeds show up during the females bud cylce?
Depends on when exactly you pollinate. Meaning it depends on when the males throw their pollen . You can have them isolated in a second flowering room and allow em to pollinate the plant at a specific stage.The earlier you pollinate the less seeds usually as there are less female flowers on the females to get pollinated. But one must let the pollination happen at the latest 4.5-5 weeks before harvest time so the seeds have enough time to develop.


i really jus need to find a list that explain from seed the cycles it will go thru n wat things happen wen sry for my unintellegence in the subject haha again ty all for all your help
Well hope this helps a bit but Im only covering some basics and by far all you d like to know and need to know. You need to do alot of research , hopefully there are lots of threads and articles online to read. So read a lot first and then see if you have any Q and well try to help u as we can if thers something you need clarification with.Read the FAQs on canna sites like Thcfarmer.com:
http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/vbarticles.php lots of good info
 
gracious

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i'm slow hah i get it now everything barletta said made sense but the finish to wat u said was wat i wasn't gettin i didn't kno that ur ended up mother n fathers wer clones(cuttings) it all makes sense now so the 1st plants you get from seeds wat happens to them they stay mother plants........lemme break down wat i get now lets jus say i had 2 seeds(to make simpler) grew them got one male one female i cloned both those twice i take one clone of male n female put it in veg. than put the other male n female in bud cycle to c characteristics . i like these so i wanna cross them so wich mothers would i use wouldn't ther b a mother plant from seed than a mother from clone wich would b used to breed n wat would happen to the other
 
The clone that you place back into veg grows into a mother - you can take future cuttings from this plant. You can grow ANY plant into a mother, but the idea is to see a clone flowered, and judge for yourself.
 
it might be becuase I'm lazy (and somewhat ignorant of the facts) but why wouldnt you just grow all your seeds and see which grows best, then reveg it as a mother plant?
 
i'm learnin slowly but i understand i think everything uv' xplaind but this

But Barletta r u talkin bout a mother plant for clones or a mother to hybrid i'm not sure if its dif but thats kinda confusin if i got a motherplant i kno i can clone her n hav the same bud over n over but how wuld i cross that mother plant? n still keep it a mother plant for clones? do u not do that? do u jus cut clones of ur mother n father n breed clones?
 
Example:

You have 2 seedplants that turn out to be both female. Plant 1 and Plant 2, or #1 and #2. You continue to flower the seedplants, and think of all of the dank smoke that you will soon have. You mange to root just 2 clones of each under an 18/6 lighting schedule. You call #1's cuttings A & B. You call #2's cuttings Y & Z. You place 1 clone of each - 'A' and 'Z' - into the 12/12 lighting area. You will be left with 2 cuttings in the veg lighting area - 'B' and 'Y'. These are your prospective mothers. Over the next few weeks you will see the A&Z clones flower, and the B&Y clones grow into big plants. After you smoke the final products (A&Z), decide which one suits your needs more. Keep the corresponding clone (BorY) as a mother and continue to take and flower cuttings from her.

I will be cloning from ~10 females in the near future in an effort to find a heavy plant. I have the seeds vegging now.
 
but how do u cross that mother wit a male n keep it as a mother plant? wat i'm askin basically is lets say now i got this mother plant in veg. n i can take clones but how do i breed her? do i take clones from her n breed her clones wit males?
 
So far I've been lucky with my crosses, I have just been throwing pollen around. Jow did I select the Spice female? Was the only one I had when I had the ssh boy flowering. How did I select him? He was the 1 male of the 4 ssh that I ran. I have used other males in efforts to 'f2' strains, and in efforts to preserve strains (last of their kind).

Of course the plants that I keep for moms end up bieng the moms of many of my crosses, just because they are in the flower room so much. :D

With the Spice x ssh crosses, I will be selecting the tall plants with indy budstructure/finish times. Sort of selecting towards the Spice. The first males will be all over the place. Subsequent males will have to STINK. IME, females that stink early turn out to stink in veg, and tend to smoke stronger. I will also select the males based on speed and flower density/structure.

EDIT - Yeah dude, just keep running clones, at the same time run some seeds, and use the male that fits the things you want.
 
ok so lets say i got a SSH i love her so ima cross her wit hella so i take her clones n cross em wit males ? bcus i wanna keep her so i can get that same SSH clones again so i'd take her clones n breed em ? n SSH Spice sounds so tastie how does the spice taste mostly? i kno SSH has one of those amazingly good tastes like northern lights jus taste of potency from wat i can remember i can't wait to see ur baby silver surfers grow tall haha j.k but yea i can't wait to c how they come out
 
Yeah, keep 1+ clone of the ssh in veg, and flower 1 with a male.

Spice was delicious. Like tropical burning rubber skunk fruit/candy. I ended up with 2 females, and 1 was a standout. I kept clones of her for ~8mo. That is the mom of the cross. Here is a thread I did when I first grew the cross out. http://mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=895

Here is my 'diary' thread. http://mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=950&page=22 There are lots of Spice and SSh shots before this page, and lots of SSH and Spice x SSH after. :D
 
Sry its so long i ges wen it comes to cannabis wit me thers alwys somthng to tlk bout

Hey Barletta ty for those links your grow reports r very in detailed i liked bein able to c the mother spice by her baby n seein how they r the same n how they differ i've been reading over alot of ppls grows n now i'm jus confusing myself i can't hav them all but i want them all haha i started from MKS n SSH definantly to SSH n other strain in ? than i've been lookin alot at the Shark n Medman i;m in no hurry to choose seein that its gunna take me awile to get started neways but i'd like to choose a few n then learn as much as possible bout them so i'll hav more knowlegde wen i begin...seeing that you've grown SSH i'd like to kno any n erything u'd like to tell me bout it in ur experience i believe SSH to b one of the best of all time but me bein broke its hard seein me bein able to get the money needed for the SSH seeds i've checked n it seems i like the expensive ones(all the main strain i wanted i found to b the most expensive mayb thers a reason to that hmmmmm...) haha hopefully money won't b a issue but one can only hope i'm thinkin that SSH or SS would b worth the money for findin mamas.....to get bak to ur spice tropical burnin rubber skunk/fruit? sounds like a intense tasty smoke haha IMO i love the skunky fruity or pungeunt indica or a nice lemon or "bubba" taste ain't bad either hah i say the bubba tastes like xtreme pinesol......but anyways so bak to a ? or 2 so clones r basically the same thing as the mother or father it was cloned off so a clone is a female if it was from a female n a male from a male so this would mean you could cross two clones? how long do the clones take to show sex the same as the seedplants? or do they not show since they weren't from seed. ty for helpin barletta u've helpd alot hmmmmm i can't stop thinkin bout SSH n SS hmmmmm i kno its to soon but i want a ind dom SSH n a ind dom SS hopefully i'll get lucky 1st round does all shantis packs hav 15 seeds? from all credified distributers? thers something i like more bout indicas but thats not sayin i don't love sativas too of course i think i got a thing for stout plants wit massive nugs but i do like alil stretch i think my perfect plant would end up bein 4 to 5 ft wit the SSH structure but alil more compact i'm thinkin SSH x SS is gonna b a keeper cross clone mama jus thinkin bout White widow x Skunk x NL x Skunk x haze mmmmmm Super Skunky white Nl haze haha ill keep dreamin for now haha i gots a strain idea list jus to keep my dreams alive haha damn hav i boredededed erybody out yet hah k i'm DONE !!!!
 
hey sry if i asked ?'s that seem the same as b4 i reread the post n my ?'s bout clones breedin wit clones i think i keep askin alot jus tryin to get things straight so honestly sry if its anoying i wouldn't want some nube askin me 21 ?'s all the time then not remembering the answers jus wanna let u kno u n everyone elses replies hav helpd me greatly thats y i tend to say ty n sry alot haha jus tryin to b respective
 
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