Haze A or Haze C in Afghan Haze crosses ?

I don't care what it's maide of I bought it to have plenty of hazea genetics in the fridge now I got plenty of hazeC and that's not a bad thing just not what I wanted now I'll just go some where else to get the hazeA genetics I desire . I got plenty of other stuff and projects to work with including other mr.nice strains that may or may not be worked with . I have what I believe is some solid work going just for my self and I was looking at it being quite some time before I start messing with haze . I got nevils in the fridge it has lots of a and so much old widow stock I could never get through it all but I'm done arguing about angels breath I laid out facts and sources and others have as welll. It is what it is I don't see any sense on continuing this .
 
thats fine, you just keep making incorrect statements so im trying to correct you so you actually know what you are talking about.

so im curious what is it thats giving you such a hard on for haze A genetics, when most of the good haze has come from the C side?
something you read? something you heard someone say?
have you smoked anything with A in it?

i just culled a (Ag13 x La Nina) because i needed to get numbers down and just have to be really picky about quality. this pheno was kind of like a g13 widow i would guess, not a whole lot of sativa in its character. it was earthy with a hint of leather/incense. i did get to smoke the pure AG13 mother on a trip to amsterdam a few years back.

i couldnt let my angels breath cut go yet though, just for reference.
 
You are right about a lot of what you say and that is why lots of the things you say are just coming to hand , there is a lot of disinformation in the forum on angels breath and that's what I went by when I bought it . I loved old kalimist , it's not the same and Tony got busted and lost his western winds and I don't care what any one says It's made of nl5/haze A female I think it was took after Nevil left Sensi and Tony and Simmon was working there . I believe they crossed the nl5/hasea with a selected ssh male or it may be viceversa I can't recall I know this from private reading and a conversation with some one I would rather not name .
 
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Growstone said:
wonder why nobody thought to use it for seed production in the last 30years lmfao
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G `day GS

Well its easier to buy a kilo and bait and switch with A5 / C5 or Nevil`s Haze .

Its been done several times ...

The A5 was held by a group sworn not to share .

Thanks for sharin

EB
 
Lol. If you "don't care what anyone says", that you know the truth even when it contradicts evidence and historys, you will likely never be in agreement. But at least you stated that clearly. :)
 
G `day TF

The NL#5 x Hz today is some thing very different .
For starters there is no NL #5 clone to mate the Haze C to .

Then if you use Nevil`s NL #5 line it is in bred with NL #1 .

It has good plants in the line . But its not NL#5 x Hz C .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 
i thought it is nevils NL5 used for those old crosses.
wasnt that selected from his NL5 seedline.
he thought the us NL5 clone wasnt as good, so i dont think he used it.

The new NL5 is supposed to be a direct sister to the original NL5 right?
 
just thinking of haze lately, i had a thought about a cross that i dont think anyone has mentioned.

5AC x GAC

obviously first the GAC would need to be made.
shanti seems interested in acquiring/reaccquiring a g13 or closely related line,
why doesnt he have/use the G13 x Haze A?
well im sure he could get his hands on it if he wanted it.
so then cross that with the haze C male and you would have something just as special as nevils haze.

Then you take a female nevils haze and a male from the new GAC line and bring them together.
You would simultaneously be doubling up on both Haze A and Haze C in the cross, both parents would already have both A and C combined, and those selections from that generation may help bypass the negative/inbeeding effects when the A and C come together.

It would be the same haze percentages as nevils haze currently has,
50% Haze C, 25% haze A,
but it would reduce the percentages of either NL5 or G13 down to 12.5% each instead of 25%. having less of either of these indicas alone may help the satty side come through even more. anyone else think this sounds like a good idea?
 
PlantManBee said:
Lol. If you "don't care what anyone says", that you know the truth even when it contradicts evidence and historys, you will likely never be in agreement. But at least you stated that clearly. :)
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The only reason I say I know is cause I've talked to one of the guys on line who would know with kali mist ( western winds ) I'm not saying his name but he is on line not much but has a website and does answer emails back and he's a talker easy guy to talk to if you have talked with some of these people and know who talks back that should give it away who it is .
 
jack hairy said:
just thinking of haze lately, i had a thought about a cross that i dont think anyone has mentioned.

5AC x GAC

obviously first the GAC would need to be made.
shanti seems interested in acquiring/reaccquiring a g13 or closely related line,
why doesnt he have/use the G13 x Haze A?
well im sure he could get his hands on it if he wanted it.
so then cross that with the haze C male and you would have something just as special as nevils haze.

Then you take a female nevils haze and a male from the new GAC line and bring them together.
You would simultaneously be doubling up on both Haze A and Haze C in the cross, both parents would already have both A and C combined, and those selections from that generation may help bypass the negative/inbeeding effects when the A and C come together.

It would be the same haze percentages as nevils haze currently has,
50% Haze C, 25% haze A,
but it would reduce the percentages of either NL5 or G13 down to 12.5% each instead of 25%. having less of either of these indicas alone may help the satty side come through even more. anyone else think this sounds like a good idea?
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I would like to eventually cross a male c99 with some type of old haze a influenced plant. You know the Ones I like then cross a inbred line pre98 bubba x 88G13/hashplant plant female x haze c probably angels breath male , since I Done got a Bunch It's gong to take a lot of time but I think it's doable. (C99/hazeA x pre98bubba88g13hashplant/hazeC . I'm sure you will tell me I'm a dumb ass . I just dont want or need no more seeds maybe I could go c99xnevils but that's not rally the plant I want to work with wants to get big no matter what not that the others dont and it flowers so fucking long . Even from clone they can become monsters
 
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Ask shanti if he would be willing to sell you some AC pollen for your project, he has before, and could really work on both ends of your project really.


kief420 said:
I would like to eventually cross a male c99 with some type of old haze a influenced plant. You know the Ones I like then cross a inbred line pre98 bubba x 88G13/hashplant plant female x haze c probably angels breath male , since I Done got a Bunch It's gong to take a lot of time but I think it's doable. (C99/hazeA x pre98bubba88g13hashplant/hazeC . I'm sure you will tell me I'm a dumb ass . I just dont want or need no more seeds maybe I could go c99xnevils but that's not rally the plant I want to work with wants to get big no matter what not that the others dont and it flowers so fucking long . Even from clone they can become monsters
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vigor is not something you should shy away from.
NH has exactly what you are looking for.
flower earlier to control size.
less veg time makes up for longer flowering time.
every 24hr of veg you can shave off gives you the electric for two+ days of flower.

I had some of the AC pollen but it wasnt pure pollen and it wasnt very viable.
Pure C pollen would be a great thing though.
 
Thinks guys it looks like a long road to travel and some times feels like I got to turn around and go back up the driveway , but I guess that's the nature of the game . Thanks for all the input the information here is invaluable.
 
jack hairy said:
vigor is not something you should shy away from.
NH has exactly what you are looking for.
flower earlier to control size.
less veg time makes up for longer flowering time.
every 24hr of veg you can shave off gives you the electric for two+ days of flower.

I had some of the AC pollen but it wasnt pure pollen and it wasnt very viable.
Pure C pollen would be a great thing though.
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Do you think I should reverse my process of thinking and hit the nevils with the pre98bubbax88g13/ hashplant male for the Afghan side since I want to find a special girl in the nevils , kinda like a super nl5/haze I hope then cross the c99 female to a stud angels breath male since I consider c99 kinda like a sweet fruity skunk with some haze influence and pick up more influence from the haze c while trying to improve the taste kinda like the skunk x hazeC then work in further selections from there ? I hope no one stills my idea since I put it out there cause it takes so much time and patience and I want to do it right .
 
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G `day K


Double Koosh by Mota Rebel . These days Haze Man or Blazing Pistileros .
I can tell you the Bubba x G13/ HP#1 F2 combined well for me with Nevil`s Hz / Mango .

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This one suffered a bit with heat and a 4 day power out . Was some primo smoke .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 
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c99 is already about as C heavy as youre going to get, im not sure cossing to AB is going to do much other than give you the chance to use a male of this line on a female of this bubba/hashplant thing you want to make.
why do you think bubba and or hashplant would cross well with haze? i dont think haze and OG are a good mix, each are better on their own. they take away the uniqueness each has and the result isnt better than the parents. i feel bubba and a hashplant may be in a similar situation. but sometimes you dont know until you try.
There is a hashplant x Haze C already out there in the world, and even that has been crossed to the Haze AC male. if you could get a hold of seeds from that line, it might be a better place to start off.
 
jack hairy said:
c99 is already about as C heavy as youre going to get, im not sure cossing to AB is going to do much other than give you the chance to use a male of this line on a female of this bubba/hashplant thing you want to make.
why do you think bubba and or hashplant would cross well with haze? i dont think haze and OG are a good mix, each are better on their own. they take away the uniqueness each has and the result isnt better than the parents. i feel bubba and a hashplant may be in a similar situation. but sometimes you dont know until you try.
There is a hashplant x Haze C already out there in the world, and even that has been crossed to the Haze AC male. if you could get a hold of seeds from that line, it might be a better place to start off.
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G `day Jacky

I also got some 50 day plants from that cross .
Double Koosh had a narcotic stone . NHM was cerebral . I thought a combination might be interesting .

One pheno was a KO effect . I shared it with Wally . He said that`s not the kind of herb you smoke if you want to get stuff done .

I worked the line some . bx d , f2d and out crossed to relatives . Project failed when I didn`t store the seeds in the fridge during a hot summer
. 6 months later the seeds wouldn`t sprout ...

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 
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