Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid

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Nevil said:
In a bag of primarily unlabelled buds, I find a small bag marked "?". It doesn't look like much, but has more substance than the Oaxacan and it's a bit bleached looking (gold).
Smells like fruity pine, pineapple you'd almost say, but it's not. You'd have to jazz the pineapple up. The telemetric nose sniffs for ancestry. It'd be a Oaxacan cross, an F1. But that almost menthol pineyness, wtf is that. It braids well with the Oaxacan fruit. It could just be another O pheno, but I doubt it.
It tastes nice, yeah, I'd have to say an O cross, fruity, hmmm, he could found a bit more of this. Suddenly it feels like there's a presence in the room. More has been squeezed in the same volume of space, like a bigger dimension inside a smaller one. I ponder this for a moment. Wow that's really deep! Well deep and wide. I peel a piece of paint of my jeans while I'm thinking of this. Idly I look at it. Far out! It looks exactly like a flying fox. It's a miracle! I mean, not as big a miracle as Jesus' face appearing on a piece of toast and weeping strawberry jam, but a miracle just the same. I'm saving this for proof.
So what was I thinking about? Haze. It has a certain pine smell that I find in NL5HzC1 and the NL5HzC122 mango is somewhat similar, but it can't be that. There's no NL5 in this one. It wouldn't do it any harm though. A bit more bulk and resin.
If I crossed Haze C with the Oaxacan, I could believe that it'd be like this. But I didn't and so it's not that. Mullembimby Madness? How would I know, I've never grown it or been presented with a bag labelled MM. At times like these, all a man can do is.... "remote viewing". The coordinates are about 20 months ago... having trouble zeroing in on this one, ah yes the breeder is not using labels... emotional overlay. Stop!
Nasal psychometry is all that's left to me. It's not Haze, but I'm left with a feeling of connection. The MM would have to be a camphor pine smelling type, if that's what the other 50% of this is. I've smelled that before in Kanga's mixed bags, but it hasn't come through this strong before.
If we knew what it was, it'd be an obvious candidate for a cross with NH, but it would be for the die hard enthusiasts. I expect it would be late and low yielding, although you never know. If a brother to this mystery plant could be found, I'd like to see what it does with the 5Hz, but until we find out what it is, all we can do is consider exquisite tortures for people who don't label plants. Top shelf smoke though!
N.
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hi all
hi Nevil,

I suspect this piny/camphor smell may well be coming from MM as you suggested. I havent tried the MM in pure form, but when I grew LaNina (50% MM) I found a lot of similarities to Haze in terms of smell as well as effect.
The more MM dominant hazy/sativa LN plants had a very strong , really intoxicating smell that could well be described as piny camphor vapor. Kinda like chemical solvent vapor stong to the nostrils..yet kinda sweet fruity camphor type , fresh pine/pinecone smell. I would also describe the camphor type smell as paint thinner/plastic scale model poly-cement glue.
Btw I had a MH that was very similar in the smell department so no doubt there are similarities between Haze Bros Haze and MM.

LN is one of the best mns hybrids in my opinion, a selected LN its easily up to par with a good MH , NH , SSH and in my opinion one of the best haze type hybrids ever made by man in terms of smoke quality. Shanti sure did a fine job with this one and I think a cross between NH male and LN or MM female would create exceptional quality smoking plants.
By the way Chaco , a grower posting at a different forum is currently doing a cross with a female LN and mixed pollen from 3 NH males , it should be interesting to see how it will go as this is one of the crosses I had in my plans but never got around to do it.
 
Mr. Alkaline said:
I hate no labels.

How can u even take a single step?

I'm gonna cross the Black Oaxacan(cedar, berry, coffe, tobacco), to some of my Red Skunk f3s, and then to my OTM male...so I'll check back here in 6 months or so....peace of Christmas cookie to All.

-Mr. A
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Its very easy I have the seeds. When a hippie/surfer comes out into the internet world after 35yrs of world travel and collecting seeds with no outside influence since 95 which was the WW and from then on only inbreeding to what he already had, you can be sure something good is there as Nevil has already indicated.
Peace to you to.....and Merry Christmas
 
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^ Nice post Kanga. It reminds me of all the young Aussies heading off on the hippy trail to London, exploring remote areas with youthful exuberance, and collecting rare and special genetics along the way. Once back in Australia and quite secluded from the plundering of 'foreign' seed merchants, they worked to breed amazing strains - most of which never emerged onto the global cannabis scene. Being an island and far from the US and Europe, breeding became a passion and the plants thrived.
I honestly believe it is the Australian breeders who have had the most significant impact on the global cannabis scene. I say that not to brag, as bragging is not wrong if you can back it up lol, but rather to highlight what these breeders have given the world...

Shantibaba
Nevil Schoenmakers
Wally Duck
Kangativa
Tony Bower
Garry Von Billen
etc etc etc

And all using unique genetics instead of re-worked and re-labelled strains.

SamS may have achieved some good things, but his way of doing it was in my view, plundering the plant for economic gain, or fame.
 
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Smokin Moose said:
^ Nice post Kanga. It reminds me of all the young Aussies heading off on the hippy trail to London, exploring remote areas with youthful exuberance, and collecting rare and special genetics along the way. Once back in Australia and quite secluded from the plundering of 'foreign' seed merchants, they worked to breed amazing strains - most of which never emerged onto the global cannabis scene. Being an island and far from the US and Europe, breeding became a passion and the plants thrived.
I honestly believe it is the Australian breeders who have had the most significant impact on the global cannabis scene. I say that not to brag, as bragging is not wrong if you can back it up lol, but rather to highlight what these breeders have given the world...

Shantibaba
Nevil Schoenmakers
Wally Duck
Tony Bower
Garry Von Billen
etc etc etc

And all using unique genetics instead of re-worked and re-labelled strains.

SamS may have achieved some good things, but his way of doing it was in my view, plundering the plant for economic gain, or fame.
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Totally agree with you mate, having been involved in American Quater Horse industry for a number of years, I can understand why they are ALL coming to Australia to look for new breeds.
What does America and Europe have to offer in new strains ????
There is no bragging needed mate.......We are all here because of our love for this plant and if a new strain can be found anywhere doesnt that benifit us all ??

Actually I had to edit this because i appologize to Resinbud and other people who live in the best kept secrets. I know you guys also have something to offer.....sorry and Merry Cristmas
 
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How about a tip'o'the hat to you instead of being in the limelight lol

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There's certainly some of the best weed on the planet here in Oz.

The only problem these days, is that the Oz is full of strain hoarders :mad:

Try getting some seeds from the cannabis community here in Oz... what a fucking joke.

The cannabis community is nothing like it was in the old days.

Think I might get one of those FTW tattoo's.

Merry Xmass BP
 
Bushpig said:
The only problem these days, is that the Oz is full of strain hoarders :mad:
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This is primarily due to the plundering of Aussie genetics by Marc Haemorrhoid. I know that some of his people came to Australia, left with genetics, then bastardised them!! I really do not blame the hoarders, for now that the Aussie camp is uniting here, the doors of caring and sharing are slowly opening. Trust needed to be re-built, and under Shanti and Nev's umbrella, that is slowly happening.

Just watch in the next year or two - there WILL be some amazing strains developed and released through MNS. Cool bananas eh!
 
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Smokin Moose said:
This is primarily due to the plundering of Aussie genetics by Marc Haemorrhoid. I know that some of his people came to Australia, left with genetics, then bastardised them!!
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Hey my friend...... non basturisation here:D

Just pure inbred shit:D
 
L33t said:
hi all
hi Nevil,

I suspect this piny/camphor smell may well be coming from MM as you suggested. I havent tried the MM in pure form, but when I grew LaNina (50% MM) I found a lot of similarities to Haze in terms of smell as well as effect.
The more MM dominant hazy/sativa LN plants had a very strong , really intoxicating smell that could well be described as piny camphor vapor. Kinda like chemical solvent vapor stong to the nostrils..yet kinda sweet fruity camphor type , fresh pine/pinecone smell. I would also describe the camphor type smell as paint thinner/plastic scale model poly-cement glue.
Btw I had a MH that was very similar in the smell department so no doubt there are similarities between Haze Bros Haze and MM.

LN is one of the best mns hybrids in my opinion, a selected LN its easily up to par with a good MH , NH , SSH and in my opinion one of the best haze type hybrids ever made by man in terms of smoke quality. Shanti sure did a fine job with this one and I think a cross between NH male and LN or MM female would create exceptional quality smoking plants.
By the way Chaco , a grower posting at a different forum is currently doing a cross with a female LN and mixed pollen from 3 NH males , it should be interesting to see how it will go as this is one of the crosses I had in my plans but never got around to do it.
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I am so glad ya posted this L33t - I've been back and forth on the La Nina... constantly wanting it and being swayed by some peoples' posts about it not being worth the purchase. I think my decision is final now from your post. Awesome stuff.
 
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hi all
hi Nevil,

I suspect this piny/camphor smell may well be coming from MM as you suggested. I havent tried the MM in pure form, but when I grew LaNina (50% MM) I found a lot of similarities to Haze in terms of smell as well as effect.
The more MM dominant hazy/sativa LN plants had a very strong , really intoxicating smell that could well be described as piny camphor vapor. Kinda like chemical solvent vapor stong to the nostrils..yet kinda sweet fruity camphor type , fresh pine/pinecone smell. I would also describe the camphor type smell as paint thinner/plastic scale model poly-cement glue.
Btw I had a MH that was very similar in the smell department so no doubt there are similarities between Haze Bros Haze and MM.
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That's pretty spot on L33t.
To be honest, the similarities stretch the bounds of probability, right down to the fuel types. The closest I had to some of these MM phenos was when I crossed HzB to HzC. Like the Haze also, the MM throws a small percentage of elites. I've now smoked two of them in what appears to be about a dozen MM types. Most are strong, but not noteworthy and then there is the good ones. As a friend said, you are smoking away and suddenly it feels like God has come into the room. I call it presence.
We're going to have some fun with this one.
N.
 
Piny Camphor with chemical solvent tones sounds like a highland Mexican to me. The Oaxacan I have smells like pine needles drizzled in fuel and I've grown other Mexicans that had strong pine and solvent tones.

Here's a Colombian male I'm just about to collect pollen from:

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L33t said:
a very strong , really intoxicating smell that could well be described as piny camphor vapor. Kinda like chemical solvent vapor stong to the nostrils..yet kinda sweet fruity camphor type , fresh pine/pinecone smell. I would also describe the camphor type smell as paint thinner/plastic scale model poly-cement glue.
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This is also pretty much the definition of the smell of the SOL SwB I already posted a pic in the blueberry thread. In fact it reminds me of a camphor-based ointment my mother used to apply on my chest against bronchitis when I was a child . Saddly for the grail SwB already contains HzC and the yield are not good but it still gives you intoxicating hazy buds in 60 days...


Peace.

K.

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There's some matching Colombian females too:

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zigzag said:
funny you mention the swt blue kashgari. I know you have mentioned it previously and think highly of it. I got my seeds from red during the boxing day blowout and crossed it with a male LaNina. I am growing a couple out now.
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Hi Zigzag,

Yes SwB is the best Blueberry hybrid I have tried.
At one time, I was interested by the Johny Blaze(NH/Blueberry) but as Red and Legends used to sell stock from GHSco and not from MNS I had concern that the NH used in that hybrid was probably not genuine.

How would you describe the smell,aroma and effect of the SwB you selected?
Also how long does yours take to finish ?

I managed to find find a good plant among a multitude of phenotypes and several hermaphrodites . I understand now after reading from Chimera that this is the direct consequence of his use of several males for that cross.

Would be interested to see some pics of your "La Blue" when they are done.
I jfor one just made several lines using my selected SwB with my three favourite MNS G-Spot males...

Peace.

K.
 
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