Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid

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Manali hash was popular in Holland. A long haired friend of mine often had it. I'd class it as a wild sativa handrub, Shanti is the Indian expert.
N.
 
What qualities do you want in this Grail? What type of high...clear and soaring high, or the most psychedelic leaning you can get? What type of taste/smell do you prefer? Do you have a particular type of bud structure are you going for, or does that matter? Does flowering time matter to you?? If so, what is the maximum length of time you are looking to go? Does ease of growth matter? I've read that you dislike mutants, which I find a bummer as much of my favorite connoisseur stash has come from plants with some sort of mutant to them. Also, it really does eliminate OPT in my opinion. The mutant % is high, and passes on to offspring quite often.

All of these will play major roles in deciding which direction I go in find you a mate(s) to work with.
 
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i saw a post on another site where bh is officially off the boards for awhile due to some accident and resulting head injury? peace-biteme
 
Multiple alleles are called mutation.
One great man named Gregor Mendel (master of genetics ... in that time) found that almost 150 years a go.
 
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Incidentally, there is a guy in Canada called doubleds who really rocks one of those recirc DWC bucket setups with bare bulbs, he was one of two guys who invented a motorised sifting screen, it was featured in HT and they reckoned they took two of them to Amsterdam for the first cup in 1987. The story is one was to be a prize for the cup, they say the other one was given to Neville in exchange for cuttings of his two best indicas - G13 and NL5. Doubleds still has both cuttings and has done many detailed grow threads showing them grown as huge trees in his recirc DWC system. Just wondering if Neville remembers this and can confirm it's true. If it is, it means doubleds still has the original G13 cutting. Few years back I sent doubleds some seeds that were an inbred derivation of 'Pacific' G13 x ('Airborne' G13 x Black Widow) a line that was notorious for producing mostly male plants (the few females to be had were killer) so that he could make a cross to his G13 cutting, last I heard he had grown em out and selected a couple of choice males but hadn't had time or space to devote to pollinating the G13, I should get in touch with him, I'm sure the original G13 is something that would be worth preserving and spreading.

P.S. Sorry for taking things a bit off-topic!
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I hope BH is OK biteme.

More off-topic stuff, sorry :o:

There's a few of Doubleds (double d's) pics at the bottom of this post from a grow with the G13 cut where he got 44lbs from 10 plants and 10K (K= kilowatts - 10 000 watts). Link to full grow: http://www.verticalgreen.org/showth...le-grow-44-FREAKIN-POUNDS!&highlight=doubleds

Doubleds crossed his 1986 G13 cut with Subcool's own Spacedawg (Snow Dawg x Space Queen aka Space Dude) male to create "13 Dawgz". There is a test grow of it on THCfarm by Ocanabis.

Doubleds on "13 Dawgz":

This is a cross of my super heavy yielding 1986 g13 and Subcool's Spacedawg male (Snow Dawg x Space Dude). Expect some very heavy ladies with a hashy/mango/cherry smell and taste. Super vigourous , this strain has it all. A must have for every garden.

I was looking for a couple things with this cross.

1. add taste and smell, you can barely smell g13 until its harvested and dried.

2. not so important but branch strength, anything i can do to try and stop branches from falling over.

3. not as important either but to make the buds more white. The gland heads on the g13 are tiny so it doeasnt give off the appearance of white strains.
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He sold about 20 or 30 packs of 13 Dawgz to THCbay and i was lucky to score 2 packs for $100 US each. A member on the forums who had been waiting for over a month for the seeds to be released but missed them, pm'd me and offered me $1200 plus any pack of raskals or Cali Connect gear for 1 of my packs of 13 dawgz :eek:!!! He is a licensed caregiver with a 35K 20 plant mpb set up. I painfully declined his offer (I hate to see anyone miss out on beans they want). I saw 13 Dawgz for sale on Morpheus Seed Bank under Quebec Gold Seeds a few months later and pm'd the guy, he sent payment for 3 packs but they returned his $ and said they were out of stock.

I didn't know doubleds got the G13 cut straight from Nevil, i thought it was from 1986 Sensi beans (which would make it a cross, but that didn't occur to me till now), now i'm even more stoked!

First 3 pics: 8 & 1/2 wks flower, other pics: 7 wks, pic5 is base of plant in pic4!
 

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DAMN 13 dawgs looks like a commercial growers dream

reminds me a bit of som blowfish phenos which contain g13 genetics


back too the grail

neville

im curious to know if any selections /or serious thoughts on this project have been made ?


the HOG seemed to interest you ?

any thought of MM or is a pure ibl your desire ?

have you considered colombian gold ?


what trail is the grail on id love to know ?

id love too see an african X i understand the legendary black african magic survives as a clone


best wishes

1luvbigherb
 
im curious to know if any selections /or serious thoughts on this project have been made ?
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People have thrown a lot of fancy names at me as potential candidates for the grail mother, but I really don't know of any substitute for smoking and testing candidates. The only person to put his money where his mouth is is Kanga. Of course, he devised an evil plan, to see if I really know what I'm talking about, by mixing his varieties up and getting me to test his varieties blindfolded as it were, but tireless work on my part (my dedication knows no boundaries) lead me to his Oaxacan as the stand-out amongst a mixed, but excellent collection of buds.
The NH x Oaxacan cross is in the pipeline. My concern is that the Oaxacan buds I smoked were rather skinny. I'm assuming (for the time being) that it is a late flowering variety and was harvested a little early for this reason. If this is true, the resultant cross may be only suitable for those with a subtropical/tropical climate to work with, or the indoor purist who is prepared to suffer to achieve excellence. (put your hand down Hempy)
An equally promising avenue would be to cross the Oaxacan to a Nl5 line female and then put the best daughter to the NH male. Nl5 is very resinous, but somewhat neutral in aroma and flavour. I'd expect that the "O" would still come through strongly, but the NL influence will make it earlier, heavier and more resinous. Actually, I think that this cross would be worthwhile as an end product as is, but to me it is just a step towards the ultimate hybrid.
The Nl5xO X NH offers line-breeding to the NL5, without doubling up on anything else. I'm looking for the pheno that is leaning towards the Columbian side of haze C blending with the fruity sweet side of the 5xO, while picking up the resin and early flowering characteristics of the NL5. I can almost taste it!
Jim Ortega kindly donated some Hawaiian sativa, which I'd also like to cross with the 5xO. (Hawaii 5 O), which could also lead to the grail, but I'm getting ahead of myself.
Being cursed with a fertile imagination, I don't suppose that I'll ever be able to retire.
The biggest obstacle I face in moving ahead is a certain person forgetting his wallet (private dig).
N.
 
I love the herb!

Talking, growing, smoking - all aspects are thought provoking.

Thank the gods Sativas are back in style!
 
Nevil said:
The NH x Oaxacan cross is in the pipeline. My concern is that the Oaxacan buds I smoked were rather skinny. I'm assuming (for the time being) that it is a late flowering variety and was harvested a little early for this reason. If this is true, the resultant cross may be only suitable for those with a subtropical/tropical climate to work with, or the indoor purist who is prepared to suffer to achieve excellence. (put your hand down Hempy)
An equally promising avenue would be to cross the Oaxacan to a Nl5 line female and then put the best daughter to the NH male. Nl5 is very resinous, but somewhat neutral in aroma and flavour. I'd expect that the "O" would still come through strongly, but the NL influence will make it earlier, heavier and more resinous. Actually, I think that this cross would be worthwhile as an end product as is, but to me it is just a step towards the ultimate hybrid.
The Nl5xO X NH offers line-breeding to the NL5, without doubling up on anything else. I'm looking for the pheno that is leaning towards the Columbian side of haze C blending with the fruity sweet side of the 5xO, while picking up the resin and early flowering characteristics of the NL5. I can almost taste it!
Jim Ortega kindly donated some Hawaiian sativa, which I'd also like to cross with the 5xO. (Hawaii 5 O), which could also lead to the grail, but I'm getting ahead of myself.
Being cursed with a fertile imagination, I don't suppose that I'll ever be able to retire.
The biggest obstacle I face in moving ahead is a certain person forgetting his wallet (private dig).
N.
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Thats what I'm talking about Nevil...I like the way your thinking!:) I'm looking forward to your brainstorm coming to fruition, those seeds will be on my "Must Get" list, no doubt.
 
Nevil said:
People have thrown a lot of fancy names at me as potential candidates for the grail mother, but I really don't know of any substitute for smoking and testing candidates. The only person to put his money where his mouth is is Kanga. Of course, he devised an evil plan, to see if I really know what I'm talking about, by mixing his varieties up and getting me to test his varieties blindfolded as it were, but tireless work on my part (my dedication knows no boundaries) lead me to his Oaxacan as the stand-out amongst a mixed, but excellent collection of buds.
The NH x Oaxacan cross is in the pipeline. My concern is that the Oaxacan buds I smoked were rather skinny. I'm assuming (for the time being) that it is a late flowering variety and was harvested a little early for this reason. If this is true, the resultant cross may be only suitable for those with a subtropical/tropical climate to work with, or the indoor purist who is prepared to suffer to achieve excellence. (put your hand down Hempy)
An equally promising avenue would be to cross the Oaxacan to a Nl5 line female and then put the best daughter to the NH male. Nl5 is very resinous, but somewhat neutral in aroma and flavour. I'd expect that the "O" would still come through strongly, but the NL influence will make it earlier, heavier and more resinous. Actually, I think that this cross would be worthwhile as an end product as is, but to me it is just a step towards the ultimate hybrid.
The Nl5xO X NH offers line-breeding to the NL5, without doubling up on anything else. I'm looking for the pheno that is leaning towards the Columbian side of haze C blending with the fruity sweet side of the 5xO, while picking up the resin and early flowering characteristics of the NL5. I can almost taste it!
Jim Ortega kindly donated some Hawaiian sativa, which I'd also like to cross with the 5xO. (Hawaii 5 O), which could also lead to the grail, but I'm getting ahead of myself.
Being cursed with a fertile imagination, I don't suppose that I'll ever be able to retire.
The biggest obstacle I face in moving ahead is a certain person forgetting his wallet (private dig).
N.
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I hope like hell you have someone you're passing all this knowledge down to, I REALLY hope you know the entire world appreciates you more than we will ever be able to express in words. Keep up the amazing work, you're one of the last beacons of truth in an otherwise completely raped and pillaged industry. If I were you, I know how pissed off I'd be everyone keeps ripping off my genetics and reworking the hybrids. I mean, don't you want to smoke something different once in a while? :) I get burnt out smoking the same shit, I couldn't even imagine your personal predicament. I just hope, for the sake of the plant long term, we have another hero of your stature willing to dedicate as much of themselves to the progression of such a mysterious and powerful plant that has so much animosity towards it by the general public. Anyways, I went off on a little tangent, I fucking love you man!
 
I hope like hell you have someone you're passing all this knowledge down to
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I do. It's all of you. It's one of the reasons I'm writing now. I am concerned that the internet "kill switch" is coming. I have two main reasons for going public now. One is to see what we can put together working as a team and the other is to pass on knowledge of what I have done in the past and my thought processes as to why. As a child, I was privileged to have a breeding mentor. If I can be of assistance to you, in the same way then I will have "Paid it Forward".
You see, I love all of you too, for I see you as other versions of myself and therefore you deserve my best efforts.
N.
 
Nevil said:
I do. It's all of you. It's one of the reasons I'm writing now. I am concerned that the internet "kill switch" is coming. I have two main reasons for going public now. One is to see what we can put together working as a team and the other is to pass on knowledge of what I have done in the past and my thought processes as to why. As a child, I was privileged to have a breeding mentor. If I can be of assistance to you, in the same way then I will have "Paid it Forward".
You see, I love all of you too, for I see you as other versions of myself and therefore you deserve my best efforts.
N.
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I promise to carry my part of the torch, regardless of the obstacles put in front of me! I'm a novice to your standards, but I'm here with open ears, eyes, and heart. Thank you, I couldn't ask for a better "gift". Some people are interested in material things, I'm here on a quest for knowledge, and what you posses, I need to make me feel whole. Lesser be the man who leads his life with his emotions and not his consciousness.
 
Ouchie said:
I promise to carry my part of the torch, regardless of the obstacles put in front of me! I'm a novice to your standards, but I'm here with open ears, eyes, and heart. Thank you, I couldn't ask for a better "gift". Some people are interested in material things, I'm here on a quest for knowledge, and what you posses, I need to make me feel whole. Lesser be the man who leads his life with his emotions and not his consciousness.
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Thanks brother Ouchie could not have said/written it any better myself...

That is what's life is really about,sharing..sharing knowledge and love..thanks Nevil for beeing such a gentleman,thanks for beeing so loving and generous..sharing IS caring..:)
 
I feel embarrassed to say this Nev, but some of the Oaxacan buds I've had this year haven't been skinny at all:

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- the two big gold buds on the left are Os.

The Oaxacan can taste anywhere from nectarine in a compote of Cuban rum, to lemon and honey bubblegum, with a subtle after-whiff of rocket fuel. I often blend the Oaxacan with MM or MG (more haze like strains you've yet to try), and agree the Oaxacan would provide a unique and eloquent note to a strong haze ensemble.

Myself being in a subtropical climate I'd like to see the Oaxacan crossed to the NH or NLHaze. This Oaxacan crossed to NLHaze (O Space Shuttle) looks fat enough:

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and offers a sweet soaring high.

But if you really want to please indoor growers:

O x NL = 50% republican/democrat

O x NLHaze = 75% centre left subtropical hippies

O to NHaze = 87.5% far left equatorial Howard Marxist

(O x NL) x NH = 62.5% Dutch like liberal democrat government with some big business ties but good social welfare

I think you know what you're doing...
 
Oaxacan

The more I read about Oaxacan, the more I want to run some. I have been searching all over the net and cant find any seeds available.
Does anyone have any leads where I can obtain some of these special seeds? Im preparing for a big Haze run within a month.

DP
 
neville

i truly appreciate the update

The NH x Oaxacan cross is in the pipeline
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this sounds intriguing

as for the plant not being considered a yielder or having a decent flowering time im not concerned with that anything you put the name grail on i want in my garden

but if im correct the traits from this specific oaxacan are more toward the fruity side,there is another source who is RC cola of IC which ive shared som info with you about

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This is the one I have tested recently and believe it to be truely authentic. Bouquet and flavour is sweet/spicey cedar with fermented berries...ahhh
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while i understand you have your personal preference and idea of what the ultimate haze should be ,im hopin for nothing sweet/fruity ,as you would say im hopin for somthin toward the colombian side ,i didnt know what sweet haze until i came to the dam ,your nevilles haze ive only grew out one seed last summer and it was the closest ive taste to anything i grew up of our nyc haze nothing sweet about this pheno spicy incense just as i know haze


Actually, I think that this cross would be worthwhile as an end product as is, but to me it is just a step towards the ultimate hybrid.
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well im glad to know that your taking many things into consideration


do. It's all of you. It's one of the reasons I'm writing now. I am concerned that the internet "kill switch" is coming. I have two main reasons for going public now. One is to see what we can put together working as a team and the other is to pass on knowledge of what I have done in the past and my thought processes as to why. As a child, I was privileged to have a breeding mentor. If I can be of assistance to you, in the same way then I will have "Paid it Forward".
You see, I love all of you too, for I see you as other versions of myself and therefore you deserve my best efforts.
N.
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aside from all your contribution you seem like a geniunely amazing soul somone id be proud to call a friend ,im most thankful you choose to share your experiences personally ,you have and still continue to change history with each contribution wheter it be a post/pm/or your exstensive seed catalouge , im most thankful to absorb any knowledge you pass ive never had an older brother nor mentor as i lost my pop wen i was young

i hope your around for many many years to come

much love and respect always




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Hi,i was just wondering if anyone had any experiance with reefermans S.M.C.G? i know he used it in his love potion line.
The love ption seems pretty popular,and i,m guessing thats due to the S.M.C.G influence in the line.
I can,t find much info on S.M.C.G used ,but i have noticed reefreman now offers the santa marta pure,it sounds intresting to me,and maybe worth a looking into,anyway,if anyone has any info,i would love to hear,thanks guys..Sensient
 
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