Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid
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Dr. Purpur
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I saved plenty for you and Your Lady.
Here is LA Confidential/Nevilles Haze It just came up
Both parents are proven top quality already
lbezphil2005
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Dammit Doc, now you've got me eating AGAIN!!! I'm gonna put on the pounds following this thread with all the cooking added in, but - some great frigging ideas, my friend!! that flank steak looks supremely tastey!!
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bigherb
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All good points Bigherb, Nev did indeed tell me that my NL5Hz which I purchased from the Seedbank, in 89-90, was in fact NL5HzC. He has also indicated in other posts that it was much more potent then the NL5HzA, which makes sense because unlike many Seed sellers, the Seedbank always marketed only its very best hybrid stock.
I would guess that the theory behind Nevil's Haze was that if Haze C crossed to pure Northern Lights #5 was the best haze hybrid to date, then a half haze Northern lights #5 crossed to Haze C would be even better.
Sounds logical. Using NL5HazeA and crossing it to Haze C, would also insure that the strain would not be inbred.
Anyway here is a 50% NL5hazeC hybrid, that does resemble her NL5hazeC ancester to a large degree:
Sup brother
Beautiful bud
From Reports its obvious that different hands of selection have given different results with the current Nl5haze offering both incredible in their own right .Id love too see you grow out the current stock an share your experience ,it be intriguing considering you had experience with the Sb stock
Id like to add on the part of the 5HzC being more potent it might be true ,But have you had the pleasure to smoke 5HzA ?
I have been told quite different ,IMO considering that NH is considered the best haze available i think the HzA contributes to that equation .
Ponder on this
Why wouldnt Nevil have Considered using the old 5HzC instead of the F1 Nh he was growing out for the Grail ?
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joshuahazen
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Thanks Bigherb,
I believe the answer is a simple one:
Genetically speaking Nevil's Haze is a much more diverse and pure variety of Haze than 5HazeC.
Nevil's haze in terms of haze content, is twice as diverse genetically, and 33% more pure than NL5HazeC.
The reason Nevil Used NL5HazeA instead of NL5HazeC to create Nevil's haze is also simple.
NL5HazeC X Haze C would be a Haze C inbreeding, and Nevil has warned against this time and time again.
Keep in mind that at the time that Nevil's Haze was created the Haze A male had already been lost.
According to Nevil inbreeding HazeC to itself causes expression of what he refers to as The Cat Piss Pheno.
Crossing NL5Haze A to Haze C is a different story however, as we all know.
I am not Belittling NL5Haze A.
I have no doubt that NL5Haze A is a major contributing factor to Nevil's Haze. Common sense dictates this.
I have Never tried NL5HazeA, in regards to how it compares to NL5HazeC, I only know what little I have seen Nevil post about it.
The truth is the Only Haze I have any real experience with are my own NL5HazeC lines.
I have smoked the local hazes in the dispenseries, Like Tangerine Haze etc, but in my opinion they just don't deserve to bear the name "Haze". In short they are a sad pathetic joke.
Outside my own hazes the only varieties I have smoked that at least deserve to be called haze are varieties of SSH and Amnesia Haze I tried in UK and Netherlands, and while I was impressed with them in terms of potency, and they were hands down the best of many Dutch varieties I have tried abroad, including so called "Original Haze" or "Pure Haze", they were still somewhat weak compared to my varieties and do not have what I consider to be that classic Haze taste.
I have never had the luxury of sampling MNS varieties of Haze, but they are the only thing I have seen pictures of that closely resemble my Hazes, especially Nevil's Haze.
L33t's Pics of his MNS NH cut actually more closely resemble my long lost, pure NL5Haze cut, then even my haziest hybrid lines, so if looks are any indication, NH is the shit to get your hands on.
I can't wait to get my hands on some MNS Haze strains myself. In descending order, Nevil's Haze, G13Haze and La Nina are top on my list.
I believe the answer is a simple one:
Genetically speaking Nevil's Haze is a much more diverse and pure variety of Haze than 5HazeC.
Nevil's haze in terms of haze content, is twice as diverse genetically, and 33% more pure than NL5HazeC.
The reason Nevil Used NL5HazeA instead of NL5HazeC to create Nevil's haze is also simple.
NL5HazeC X Haze C would be a Haze C inbreeding, and Nevil has warned against this time and time again.
Keep in mind that at the time that Nevil's Haze was created the Haze A male had already been lost.
According to Nevil inbreeding HazeC to itself causes expression of what he refers to as The Cat Piss Pheno.
Crossing NL5Haze A to Haze C is a different story however, as we all know.
I am not Belittling NL5Haze A.
I have no doubt that NL5Haze A is a major contributing factor to Nevil's Haze. Common sense dictates this.
I have Never tried NL5HazeA, in regards to how it compares to NL5HazeC, I only know what little I have seen Nevil post about it.
The truth is the Only Haze I have any real experience with are my own NL5HazeC lines.
I have smoked the local hazes in the dispenseries, Like Tangerine Haze etc, but in my opinion they just don't deserve to bear the name "Haze". In short they are a sad pathetic joke.
Outside my own hazes the only varieties I have smoked that at least deserve to be called haze are varieties of SSH and Amnesia Haze I tried in UK and Netherlands, and while I was impressed with them in terms of potency, and they were hands down the best of many Dutch varieties I have tried abroad, including so called "Original Haze" or "Pure Haze", they were still somewhat weak compared to my varieties and do not have what I consider to be that classic Haze taste.
I have never had the luxury of sampling MNS varieties of Haze, but they are the only thing I have seen pictures of that closely resemble my Hazes, especially Nevil's Haze.
L33t's Pics of his MNS NH cut actually more closely resemble my long lost, pure NL5Haze cut, then even my haziest hybrid lines, so if looks are any indication, NH is the shit to get your hands on.
I can't wait to get my hands on some MNS Haze strains myself. In descending order, Nevil's Haze, G13Haze and La Nina are top on my list.
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hempy
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bigherb why are you and many others targeting mr nice and Shantibaba and there genetics 1 by 1 setting in dought the lines authenticity and posting and saying there not the same.
You have not set foot into shantibabas mum rooms or has any of you posting and yet you know what is in there and what is not how is this possible.
Bigherb i have not seen a single plant picture from you posted or have any one posting in here or have you ever done a grow report in all the time you have posted on line and now you plagarise a members article and add your bull shit to it and now claim to be a haze expert and author of this article.
Britishhemp pulled the same thing and guess what we see from him ? We see him also posting under different handles attacking shanti and his credibility also its like a concerted effort to destroy a man and his company to me along with what truth remains in this community.
No fuck this the community needs to know what is going on here.
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b0b_b1tch1n
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jack hairy
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hempy,
what are you saying bigherb has done wrong?
to me he is saying that NH is better than 5hzC, whats wrong with that?
that is why NH is being used in the grail and not 5hzC
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hempy
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jack what big posted for the un trained eyes put simpley is saying this.
The old version of nevilles haze is not the same as whats being offered today and thats bull shit unless you have stood in shantibabas parent room and knew the original parents you dont have a clue so why say it explane why you would say it unless you had a motive to do so.
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coop
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to the trained eye it looks like you are making it look like big herb said of all of these things.
It also makes you look like a 12 year old who wants attention for seeing the mother room. Or maybe you've never seen it and are just looking for a new tag line to repeat for a few pages in a few threads.
Give it a rest old man your gonna blow an o ring.
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Brick Top
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Has your total lack of reading comprehension struck again causing you to misunderstand something that was said resulting in an unnecessary and rude response that was not topical to the question asked?
It was asked why something wouldn't have been "considered" for use. That is all. There was no insult or "targeting" of "Mr. Nice and Shantibaba and their genetics." The question asked why consideration was not, or might not, have been given. Nothing said went beyond that to be targeting or an attack. Can't questions be asked without them being attacks or targeting? Hoping to have a curiosity satiated is nothing at all like being an attack or targeting.
Why is it that unless someone has their tongue as far up Shanti's ass as you do you see it as being some sort of attack and targeting against Shanti and you then attempt to portray it as being such?
jack hairy
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you may be right on that one hempy, what is the point of putting F1 there bigherb?
i did see in a thread somewhere someone said they did not think the current NH is as strong as the f1 nevils haze. shantibaba posted soon after dispelling that myth and saying that nh is made with the same parents it always has been.
Dr. Purpur
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Ive got some right here. Nevilles Haze
Its absolutely fucking dynamite! It has a twang that you dont find in the Mango. Not to dis the Mango, as it smells alot like Mango now, and has a devastating high. But, the NH from 2010 MNS seeds is some absolutely ass kickin shit! It tastes Great! It tastes like the real Haze flavor from when I was a kid, and actually better.
Its absolutely fucking dynamite! It has a twang that you dont find in the Mango. Not to dis the Mango, as it smells alot like Mango now, and has a devastating high. But, the NH from 2010 MNS seeds is some absolutely ass kickin shit! It tastes Great! It tastes like the real Haze flavor from when I was a kid, and actually better.
joshuahazen
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Right on Dr. Purp!
Thanks for keeping this thread on track.
I was gonna edit my last post to include some pics of my favorite MNS strains that I am just drooling to get my hands on, but it looks like a shit storm hit while I was away, so instead of editing my last post to include these pics, I will just post this as an addendum to my last post with some wicked ass Pics of MNS strains from a couple of awesome growers posting here at MNS, that demonstrate ipso-De facto, Why MNS is the only name in Haze since the Seedbank closed, as far I am concerned:
(a picture is worth a thousand words)
L33t's MNS Neville's Haze:
Thanks L33t,
source: http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/nevilles-haze/775-mr-nice-nevilleshaze-11.html
Dirk Diggler's MNS G13Haze:
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Thanks Dirk
Source: http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/17-monthly-contests/7208-bud-month-july-2011-a.html
L33t's MNS La Nina:
Thanks again L33t,
Source: http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/la-ni%F1/547-la-nina-flower-shots.html
Thanks for keeping this thread on track.
I was gonna edit my last post to include some pics of my favorite MNS strains that I am just drooling to get my hands on, but it looks like a shit storm hit while I was away, so instead of editing my last post to include these pics, I will just post this as an addendum to my last post with some wicked ass Pics of MNS strains from a couple of awesome growers posting here at MNS, that demonstrate ipso-De facto, Why MNS is the only name in Haze since the Seedbank closed, as far I am concerned:
(a picture is worth a thousand words)
L33t's MNS Neville's Haze:
Thanks L33t,
source: http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/nevilles-haze/775-mr-nice-nevilleshaze-11.html
Dirk Diggler's MNS G13Haze:
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Thanks Dirk
Source: http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/17-monthly-contests/7208-bud-month-july-2011-a.html
L33t's MNS La Nina:
Thanks again L33t,
Source: http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/la-ni%F1/547-la-nina-flower-shots.html
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lbezphil2005
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Well done and well said, jh! Great posts, too, thanks for throwing those threads up too, my friend!! Great info and great threads to read, more pics of some great smoke to peruse!!
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bigherb
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This thread was on a great path before this B.S
Now lets start fresh try actually reading what im saying an what i mean then try responding respectfully
If you actually read the topic of discussion between myself an josh ,we were just speaking outloud about the potency or best haze hybrid Nevil created in our opinions/experiences
my reference to F1 NH was from a post of Nevil's
i was simply sayin if 5HzC was his best work as he said why wpould he consider the f1 NH .
Nothin more nothin less ,I could go on an give detail but you will shoot it down .there was a thread at THC farm where i think jjnyc an others doubted the Nh used the same parents sayin there was heavy indie shoing i shared my experience an opinion which was the opposite of what they were sayin
I know shanti has the parent clones ,what i have said is just what has been posted by the community about the Nl5haze current offering how it seems to be abit different than the Old Sb offering ,diff hands of selection both masterpiece in their own right
Please forget about my plants that not what were talking about an they have no revelance
Also please take time to understand what a poster is actually saying before you respond especially in such a negative way .
Dont put words in my mouth or others its getting to common a practice for you
ganja man1
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All this gaga should be just between Nevil, Hempy and Bigherb so I'm just keeping my mouth shut lol.
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