Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid

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Thanks for the Budshot Kanga, I really see why people compare it to haze. It looks so much like many of my outdoor haze hybrids, especially the Malawi Hazes.

Do you know if there is any African hiding in the Mullumbimby Madness?
 
Kanga

MM look delicious ,those are some great pics

I must say again thankyou for what seems to be a mark in history once again,which noone commented on
This is the one that after 1/4 of a mixed joint ( sacralige as far as I am concerned ) put a stop to a very heavy smoker and ledgend breeder.
Ah yes it did bring a smile to my face, to see that
This is going to be one of the main ingrediants to the Grail

Wow ,almost left speech less.That says volumes of the strain,Again wat a luck dog WAT a feeling to have experienced this all watching the legend feel the power of somthing you hold .I for one am most excited to know that its official MM will be used in the grail .Soo i have high hope the grail will hold the incense trait :D

best wishes

DR purpur

This seems like a gem thanks for the report, i hope to hear a more indepth report after a proper cure


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don't think anyone else has mentioned this so let me be the first to offer congrats to kanga (and wally duck) as featured growers in the latest issue of SKUNK magazine that covered ganga grown around the world. lots of mj featured but the pics of plants in oz were by far the largest of any. nice work guys. peace-biteme
 
Cant wait

Gonna love this when it gets ironed out, bro. That mullamby madness looks really good, ought to make a nice mix.

And BigHerb, love that sig!!
 
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The Oaxacan X Mango Haze does sound delicious and am glad to hear the that Madness will be part of the grail, I just hope we, the public, can handle her :D
 
Yeah, well if you are like most of the heavy smokers who have tried my NL5Hz, it would probably be way too much for you.

If you are just a casual smoker it might have made you throw up or piss your pants, or even had a full blown psychotic episode.

That makes me think back to days gone by and a strain my brother in law used to grow. He served two tours of duty in Vietnam, 66' - 68' if I remember correctly, and shortly before 'rotating back to the world' he purchased a stereo system at a PX and packed the two large speakers with with both herb and a bag of seed from a strain that he said was called Dalat.

From what I read there is a city named Da Lat and in the region several different sativa strains were grown and my brother in law said at the time anything from the region was called Dalat by the U.S. servicemen so I have no idea if there were ever individual strain names given to each or which of them eventually became known to the world as Dalat.

When he returned home he earned a degree in horticulture and grew the strain he had brought home.

I saw true hardened party commandos almost cry for their mamas after just a few hits and I heard many people claim his pot had to be laced with something to be as potent and psychedelic as it was. But it wasn't laced with anything other than tender loving care while grown. It was just amazing.

I began toking in 1968 and have smoked just about every famous old school strain, also most of the most famous of the modern crosses and to date I have never experienced anything like the strain my brother in law brought home from Vietnam.

Not being able to swear to any specific singular strain name I know for sure to be totally accurate I will only say that anyone who did not get a chance to experience 'the jungle kind' really missed out on something special and unique.

It hit you fast and it hit you hard and when it did you took off faster than the Saturn V rocket that sent Neil Armstrong and his crew to the moon ... but you did not stop once you got to the moon. You felt like you were boldly going where no one had gone before. It did not cause paranoia but it really did make you wonder how high you might get and for some it was too high. It turned you into Billy Mummy because you truly were lost in space.

If I were a breeder and if the same strain still exists in the same form today I would move mountains if need be to obtain it.

For myself I would have to enjoy it in it's pure form but if I were a breeder, of all the old school strains I have ever experienced or all the crosses I have ever experienced I could not ask for anything better to begin a breeding project from scratch with than it.

I would trade my left nut for a good sized sack of viable beans of the strain.
 
Hi Brick Top,
I enjoyed reading your post. What happened to this strain? It didn't get crossed to anything else? Any other info on it?
 
Thanks, Brick Top. I love stories like that.

Hey Kanga, I was thinking that since it might take a few years to make the Grail, you and Nev could maybe do annual Grail Project tester packs. It would give y'all plenty of time to do a proper job on the Grail and give the rest of us an opportunity to get some first hand experience with some unique varieties from people that we trust in the mean time.

What do y'all think?

Peace.
 
Hi Brick Top,
I enjoyed reading your post. What happened to this strain? It didn't get crossed to anything else? Any other info on it?

In the specific case of my brother in law what happened is three kids ... and he stopped growing for years and didn't keep parent plants or seeds.

I have known of a few people over the years who said they had Dalat, though since several sativas were grown in the region I do not know if they were the exact same.

As spectacular as it was I really do not know how it never got into the hands of knowledgeable breeders unless it was a case of by the time it was known of in the U.S. and other parts of the world Vietnam was not a place you could just jump on a plane and visit and pick up some seeds or plants and take them home with you and like with my brother in law the relatively few that brought some home made the error of allowing it to die out.

If it still exists in Vietnam in the same form some breeder should really find a way to get their hands on some. If still the same, they would have pure gold to work with or even to release as is, if they would not mind releasing something they couldn't really take any credit for other than finding it.
 
In the August 2005 issue of High Times there was an article about Dalat. Here is a portion of it that can be found online.



HEART OF DANKNESS
A Pot Crop Lives Now

by Dr. Dalat

Thu, Jun 16, 2005 12:23 pm

more: grow articles, vietnam, old school weed, dalat, august 2005

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The story of a war-veteran helicopter pilot who never got higher than when he smoked the fabled Vietnamese strains while “in country.” Decades later, he seeks out these same plants to grow for himself at home and to smoke through his retirement.

Story & photos by Dr. Dalat

Thirty-two years ago, I was a 20-year-old fresh-faced and very naive young man sent to Southeast Asia by the US government—caught up, like so many of my generation, in the wide, sweeping net of the final military draft of the last century and sent to fight the war in Vietnam. As a helicopter pilot, I flew all over the central highlands of that country, circa 1969-71, and experienced much of the worst that man has to offer his fellow man, but also plenty of the best. One of my most remarkable memories was discovering a plantation of 30-foot-tall cannabis sativa trees in a very isolated province called Dalat.

Dalat at that time was way off the beaten path. Nestled between two mountain ranges at an altitude of around 4,500 feet and really only accessible from the air (I had a distinct advantage because of my air mobility), the region was rumored amongst the grunts to be the birthplace of Ho Chi Minh, North Vietnam’s spiritual and political leader, and therefore off limits to the enemy Viet Cong. The truth of the matter was, of course, quite different. In reality, the VC used Dalat for R&R (rest and relaxation) for their troops and therefore, quite wisely, refrained from initiating any action in and around the province. In effect, both sides considered it an unofficial “no-fire zone.”

While on one of my many fly-ins to Dalat City, I met the owner of the cannabis plantation—a wonderful older French gentleman who was always more than kind when it came to sharing his bounty. For our part, those of us in the helicopter crews kept him well stocked with much-needed and hard-to-get staples and supplies that we would scavenge from the various US base mess halls and supply depots that we visited regularly.

The best of the sativas came from the highland areas of Vietnam, places like Ban Me Thuot and Pleiku, and were similar to the highland Thai sativas in almost all respects. The very best of all were grown in the province of Dalat—cultivated for centuries by the indigenous tribes of mountain people known as Montagnards (although in their language, they refer to themselves as “Human Beings”), these crops produced without a doubt the most remarkable and mind-expanding herb I’ve ever experienced.

Keep in mind that the Montagnard people are an ancient culture, with no real written record—only stories passed down from generation to generation. I recall most vividly sitting amongst the tribal chieftains and listening to them chant stories about “the beginnings of time” and how cannabis had been with them forever to guide them on their spiritual journey of pantheism. They have two words in their language for cannabis. The first translates loosely as “Path to the Gods.” The second is used only if you smoke too much of this fine herb, and it describes the state of mind of someone who has done just that. It translates simply as “The Mind of God.”

For many of us who served the “Masters of War” in those days, Vietnamese pot became our path to sanity, our lifeline. It was a simple yet very effective way of maintaining peace of mind amidst the chaos of the conflict—an escape from the horrendous reality of our daily lives. From 1964 to 1974, thousands of US soldiers came home from the war carrying as much of this “boo” with them as possible—introducing the exotic smokes of Southeast Asia to the world at large, the seeds of which would provide the main genetic building blocks for many modern strains of cannabis. Ask anyone who came of age during that time, and you’ll notice a quick flash of the eyes as their mind recalls the experience of smoking “the jungle kind.” Though often ridiculed by younger generations as the quaint musings of aging hippies, the sad fact remains that most folks younger than 45 simply have never experienced the mind-bending high of the pure land-race sativa strains of Southeast Asia.

HIGHTIMES.COM > HEART OF DANKNESS
 
interesting read, and brictop sorry for sounding like a broken record yesterday, everytime i hit the send button, i would get kicked off and not know if it sent or what . but i am good now. take care.
 
interesting read, and brictop sorry for sounding like a broken record yesterday, everytime i hit the send button, i would get kicked off and not know if it sent or what . but i am good now. take care.


That can be annoying. One time on another site I tried to post a message and received some message saying the message failed to post. Not the exact wording but basically what it meant. I tried about 8 or 10 times and finally gave up figuring the site had some temporary glitch and that I would wait and rewrite the message and post it the following day.

Well there was a glitch and the glitch was the message I received each time I tried to post the message was wrong and I posted the same message in the same thread like 8 or 10 times and felt like a total moron when I saw it the next morning and read the following comments about flooding the thread with repeat messages.

Stuff happens.
 
the Dalat is crap, but the kmere people in that region have a strain called Hoa Bac (silver flower) thats very good and is what everybody smokes over there;)
 
the Dalat is crap, but the kmere people in that region have a strain called Hoa Bac (silver flower) thats very good and is what everybody smokes over there;)


Like I said, there were a number of strains grown in the area and they were considered to be the best the country had to offer, but I have no idea of what eventually came to be known as Dalat in later years.

What I do know is what my brother in law brought home that came from the area was the most impressive pot I have ever smoked, and I have smoked since 1968 and there are few strains that ever achieved fame that I have not sampled.

I was never told the strain name but the father of a college roommate of one of my friend's son is an entertainment lawyer in L.A. He handles a number of actors and producers, other types of entertainers and a couple pro athletes. He gets high. He never had a problem with his son getting high and when his son wanted to get enough of the same high quality herb that his father and his father's clients smoked so he could have it at college and keep a few of his friends supplied he father took care of it for him. My oldest niece gave me an ounce of it for Christmas several years back and it was good, damn good, but it wasn't as good as what my brother in law brought home. It was different in that it was a sativa dominant cross, and again, it was damn good, but it was not as good as what made the trip from Vietnam to the States in a couple stereo speakers and what was later grown from seeds that were also in the speakers.

It is only my opinion but I believe at some point someone picked some strain and attempted to rely on the fame of the strains grown in the region and just called it Dalat, claimed it to be something it was not, or possibly had a male and made a cross with something that 'watered it down' and that is what some people ended up trying, and like you, were not impressed by. Sort of like the fake Acapulco Golds and fake Colombian Golds and fake Panama Reds that have been seen from time to time over the years.

No one could smoke what I smoked and not be highly impressed, unless of course they were a total indica lover and hated uber-potent pure sativas.
 
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Hey BrickTop. Nice to see you here. Im Dave C from RIU. Ive pretty much stopped going there. This is where the action is :). Im sure you'll enjoy your time spent here.
 
sounds like your bro'n'law may have brought the Hoa Bac;) who knows tho, but its been well documented that "dalat", turns out stringy and cardboard tasting (indoors), at any rate the herb the kmers smoke is supposed to b very dank:D
 
...called Dalat...


...I saw true hardened party commandos almost cry for their mamas after just a few hits and I heard many people claim his pot had to be laced with something to be as potent and psychedelic as it was. But it wasn't laced with anything other than tender loving care while grown. It was just amazing...


I would trade my left nut for a good sized sack of viable beans of the strain.

Right on.

This is a great example of what I am talking about in regards to thc content not being the be all, in determining potency. Until we fully understand all the cannabinoids, and their various effects on metabolites of the endocannibinoid system, a gas chromatograph will not be a very accurate tool in determining the potency of cannabis. Considering we have already identified over 400 cannabinoids, and there are many more still waiting for identification, it will probably be a very long time before we accomplish this, if ever.
 
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Considering we have already identified over 400 cannabinoids, and there are many more still waiting for identification, it will probably be a very long time before we accomplish this, if ever.

Are you sure about that number? It was getting close to 90, last time I checked.
 
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