Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid

[Smoke Dream]

Dr.P your too funny! I was wondering if you were BSing until I scrolled down & seen you quote your own post. Bet your proud of your self huh show off

How's them ladies doin? I know you didn't get info on all of them, but was interested in hearing a lil more. Did you ask for any specific highs or did you just say pick out a few?

-SD

 

[Mark]

why dose it need to be hybridized tho if its as good as people say then leave it pure.

I didn't say it needed to be hybridized - Mr Fecund said Dubi crossed it with Golden Tiger and if you were going to cross it that sounds like something worthwhile trying it with to me.

Generally speaking though, a plant can always be improved upon - it's just a matter of finding the right mate to do so. Judging by the comments it's strength is in the effect and it could be improved in flavour and intersex tendencies.

 

[Mark]

Now that's my kind of Grail!

 

[hempy]

I didn't say it needed to be hybridized - Mr Fecund said Dubi crossed it with Golden Tiger and if you were going to cross it that sounds like something worthwhile trying it with to me.

Generally speaking though, a plant can always be improved upon - it's just a matter of finding the right mate to do so. Judging by the comments it's strength is in the effect and it could be improved in flavour and intersex tendencies.

mark the real zamal i am told has a mango with a hint carrot taste to it so that sounds okay to me and you do realise by hybridizing it your bound to loose some of the quolitys that makes zamal unique and special.

Its not always a positive to hybridize a line there's a saying if its not broke why fix it most make hybrids to protect there work in short or to speed up flowering or to increase yield no other reason for doing it.

Some pure sativas will show hermies or intersex traits at sexing and this is not uncommon once you select a female and a male from that line they will remain as such until the males done its job pollinating the female and until the females ready for harvest after pollination or with out pollination and just for flower harvest.

Golden Tiger
It’s an F1 derived from the ‘killer’ Malawi mother and a selected Meao Thai male..

So golden tiger x to zemal is a 3 way hybrid in short and if people are about preservation why are they not offering regular seed of the Thai the Malawi and the zemal instead its offered in a 3 way hybrid $ that's your answer.

 

[Mr Fecund]

mark the real zamal i am told has a mango with a hint carrot taste to it so that sounds okay to me and you do realise by hybridizing it your bound to loose some of the quolitys that makes zamal unique and special.

Its not always a positive to hybridize a line there's a saying if its not broke why fix it most make hybrids to protect there work in short or to speed up flowering or to increase yield no other reason for doing it.

Some pure sativas will show hermies or intersex traits at sexing and this is not uncommon once you select a female and a male from that line they will remain as such until the males done its job pollinating the female and until the females ready for harvest after pollination or with out pollination and just for flower harvest.

Golden Tiger
It’s an F1 derived from the ‘killer’ Malawi mother and a selected Meao Thai male..

So golden tiger x to zemal is a 3 way hybrid in short and if people are about preservation why are they not offering regular seed of the Thai the Malawi and the zemal instead its offered in a 3 way hybrid $ that's your answer.

hey hempy how are you mate?

from only what ive read theres is or at least was a mango and a carrot zamal type and possibly a third that may have been a mix of the two. but as it wasnt me smoking them i can not tell you that fact or fiction.

i was gonna answer you before as to why it was hybridized and not preserved. well dubi said that himself, it was his intention to reproduce the strain, just he couldnt find a worthy male at the time, in fact he is still hoping for a male for that line.

and sorry hempy you are wrong champ. ACE is offering two different thais, two lines made up of three original thais, they are also offering a Malawi line. champ ive been reading this stuff only today. dubi was talking about creating a pure malawi from his killer mallawi clone and he's seedline he'd recieved at the same time line back in 2008 or so, saying he was working on one. so to release one today i would say hes put some work into it.

i'll just assume that you weren't aware that ACE was offering pure/regional ibl lines otherwise there would be no reason to tell everyone that ACE dosent sell regular seed of thai or malawi and thats why there only after money.

 

[hempy]

hey hempy how are you mate?

from only what ive read theres is or at least was a mango and a carrot zamal type and possibly a third that may have been a mix of the two. but as it wasnt me smoking them i can not tell you that fact or fiction.

i was gonna answer you before as to why it was hybridized and not preserved. well dubi said that himself, it was his intention to reproduce the strain, just he couldnt find a worthy male at the time, in fact he is still hoping for a male for that line.

and sorry hempy you are wrong champ. ACE is offering two different thais, two lines made up of three original thais, they are also offering a Malawi line. champ ive been reading this stuff only today. dubi was talking about creating a pure malawi from his killer mallawi clone and he's seedline he'd recieved at the same time line back in 2008 or so, saying he was working on one. so to release one today i would say hes put some work into it.

i'll just assume that you weren't aware that ACE was offering pure/regional ibl lines otherwise there would be no reason to tell everyone that ACE dosent sell regular seed of thai or malawi and thats why there only after money.

how they offering pure Thai mate there not there offering a hybridized vertion or representations of the Thais combined just like there panama line is there not pure.

Pure is the same Thai line mum and dad inbreed not separate Thai lines cross creating one line that's a hybrid as is there panama look into it research it.

 

[hempy]

ACE Seeds - Double Thai

Double Thai is a F1 hybrid that combines the best Thai Sativas we have ever worked with. The mother is a first generation Thai from Koh Chang Island. The father comes from the latest highland Meao Thai selections (the most powerful and developed Thai we know).

ACE Seeds Panama

Our Panama combines different red and green sativas from Panama. It’s a uniform hybrid


I dont understand what they mean by first generation Thai from Koh Chang Island tho because if its a pure line it would be inbreed.

Research things.

 

[Mr Fecund]

how they offering pure Thai mate there not there offering a hybridized vertion or representations of the Thais combined just like there panama line is there not pure.

Pure is the same Thai line mum and bad inbreed not separate Thai lines cross creating one line that's a hybrid as is there panama look into it research it.

say what you want hempy.

Ace is offering thai stick as well as F3 double thai.

also hempy, you may want to look into it but inbreeding a mum and dad that are brothers and sisters isnt what generally constitutes a landrace.

you are free to define whatever you like as whatever you like, no one can stop you..

as for panama if an F7 of three related types isnt considered a somewhat pure line, perhaps you can discuss the 'real' pure lines that you possess.

i'll leave it up to you hempy...

 

[hempy]

say what you want hempy.

Ace is offering thai stick as well as F3 double thai.

also hempy, you may want to look into it but inbreeding a mum and dad that are brothers and sisters isnt what generally constitutes a landrace.

you are free to define whatever you like as whatever you like, no one can stop you..

as for panama if an F7 of three related types isnt considered a somewhat pure line, perhaps you can discuss the 'real' pure lines that you possess.

i'll leave it up to you hempy...

do you even know what Thai is mate ?.

Thai is not just one line there are many different types of Thai sativas and i grew many threw the decades so i think i have some idear of what im talking about.

There offering hybrids and its really sad you cant see it.

you can not call a panama hybrid made up of 3 sepret panama lines pure i dont care how you spell it out it is a hybrid and if its been inbreed 7 generations its now a stable hybrid not a land race.

 

[hempy]

well hempy simple as this. shut up about someone selling hybrids, mns is hybrids and semi-ibl lines.

perhaps you can read that scientific report i posted months ago that had analysis of thai weed back in the 70's. i commented on the variety in thai even back then, some had no cbd, some had what they called THCV(A) etc.

no one was even discussing the purity of aces lines till you made an issue of it. quit trying to be the one on the other side of the argument.

hey hempy perhaps you could not delete so many of your posts and let time be the judge?

Excuse me who are you to tell me to shut up ? why dont you grow up and educate your self on what your even posting about here and stop acting like you know it all as tyou clearly dont have a clue.

Yes Mr nice is selling hybrids but there not the ones calling a 3 way hybrid panama are they.

I have a Thai line that dates back to the 70s i grew others from the 70s to so what non of that has a thing to do about what was sed before your little melt down now did it.

You guys keep throwing your poly hybrids together and keep hoping and pray you hit the grail its fruiet salad your really working at right lol.

Ow and i never saw mr nice say there about preservation but i saw ace say it a few times so suck your head in Mr Fecund as your out of line now go back to creating your fruit salad polys lol.

 

[hempy]

for me if you got some of those zamaladelicas i'd be looking for a good girl to hit with a dad from one of nevils new ones. (like kariba x N.haze or N.Haze x Mullum)

cheers

Fruit salad yummy yummy

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[sativaXindica]

well hempy simple as this. shut up about someone selling hybrids, mns is hybrids and semi-ibl lines.

perhaps you can read that scientific report i posted months ago that had analysis of thai weed back in the 70's. i commented on the variety in thai even back then, some had no cbd, some had what they called THCV(A) etc.

no one was even discussing the purity of aces lines till you made an issue of it. quit trying to be the one on the other side of the argument.

hey hempy perhaps you could not delete so many of your posts and let time be the judge?

Greetings mr. Fecund,

You are right about what your saying 100%, some people just aren't capable of being educated.

Ace IS offering a pure Thai strain from the research I gathered. Would be something very worthwhile if you were planning on crossing it with something but to grow a pure Thai just isn't for me.

Not to say I wouldn't grow out the PURE Thai seeds I was gifted by a iconic member here at mms that has left recently like everyone else. I would grow em out but it would only be because I have plans of of breeding it into another line I have.

Great information mr. Fecund, most will see the truth as we do and not as the self proclaimed types see it, lol.

Best Regards

sXi

 

[deran]

inbreeding a mum and dad that are brothers and sisters isnt what generally constitutes a landrace.

^^ one of the better definitions of landraces


i guess this thread is dead bc of lack of geographical and plant knowlegde

i.e. cross a durban to a morocan type - yeah its all african

 

[Smoke Dream]

I don't know why you guys are misunderstanding each other & taking it personal, literally just watched you two go sour!
I think Hempy was not talking about the Thai stick & Mr Fecund was. I don't think Hempy was trying to down Ace or Mr.F, but pointing out these 3 are not pure, non-hybirdized lines.

For the rec,
PANAMA is a hybrid worked to semi stabilization f6-f7, not a land race stabilized but 3 combined, a Panama '74, Green Panama and Colombian "Punto Rojo". They don't even call it landrace

Dbl Thai is KOH CHANG THAI x MEO THAI F3 SEMI STABILIZED HYBRID
Pure sativa, YES.
Hybrid, YES, meant to display various flavors & effects of orig Thai(S)
Thai traits emphasized by the hybrid vigor. But they don't call this one a landrace either.

Thai Stick, well it says Landrace & %100 sativa but they don't say from a specific region or area. Giving the benefit of the doubt, lets say pure thai non-hybridized strain, k. They say it's from thai growers not farmers.... thats it. They do not mention anything about it location or origin, noticeable traits
or anything specific to the line, just imported sativas from thailand.
They call this a landrace but not from where like they do all others they call LR. I think it's cause they don't know what it is exactly, just how they get it from thailand.

I think Ace is a good company, don't really know of any really shady ethics going on. I like they offer some pure lines & limited editions. I hold nothing against them. I just thought some clarity was in order on these three & the fact that I think you would rather fight w/each other than try to see each others perspectives.

-SD

 

[tazmcd]

I wish you Boys would keep up the breeders Talk as its very interesting to us growers who are learning about breeding add afew peeps to discuss it for us mere growers ,it Shows how much Passion yous have for the breeding side watching the Arguments begin.peace t

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Panama

Im doing some work with Panama. What first attracted me to it was the Colombian Red (Rojo) in the cross. I smoked plenty gooey strong Colombian Red back in the mid 70's.

The Panama has a very sweet tropical flavor and an odor like strawberries while growing. It sometimes displays hot pink pistils. I pollenated the Panama female with Pack 590 male (Blue Crush), and am growing some of those now.

This was the mother

 

[Smoke Dream]

Perty colors Dr.Purple
Nice lil description. Do you remember the onset of effects & was it mostly above the shoulders? I ask cause I like quick cerebral shots & effects mostly in the head.
I guess that blue crush is something huh? Never came across any flowers of that.

-SD

 

[hempy]

Greetings mr. Fecund,

You are right about what your saying 100%, some people just aren't capable of being educated.

Ace IS offering a pure Thai strain from the research I gathered. Would be something very worthwhile if you were planning on crossing it with something but to grow a pure Thai just isn't for me.

Not to say I wouldn't grow out the PURE Thai seeds I was gifted by a iconic member here at mms that has left recently like everyone else. I would grow em out but it would only be because I have plans of of breeding it into another line I have.

Great information mr. Fecund, most will see the truth as we do and not as the self proclaimed types see it, lol.

Best Regards

sXi

Okay sativa lets see it gives us a link to the line you say is pure thia ace seed is offering but dont show me a hybrid thia line made up of 2 or more different lines.

Lets see your so called research lol.

 

[hempy]

Dr P if i ran that line and found a mum i liked i would of ran seed to find a nice male to breed with it then focus my work on stabilising the quolitys of the panama hybrid phino and then tried to make it stable so the seed then would express that plant then i would of used it to breed with.

Problem is by using an unstable hybrid even if its good you will get an even more unstable line as a result and you will find even harder to find that plant again.

Breeding to me is about preserving a line or if i am working with say hybrids to fist stabilise it then i preserve it also and then you can breed with it and create other things.

But most seam to be just crossing hybrids to hybrids and creating even more unstable lines that is okay if you like variety but me i like to know if i throw 10 seed down i will get a set type of plant show up or a high % of that group and if i run a pure line all will grow the same.

 

[JessE]

Dr P if i ran that line and found a mum i liked i would of ran seed to find a nice male to breed with it then focus my work on stabilising the quolitys of the panama hybrid phino and then tried to make it stable so the seed then would express that plant then i would of used it to breed with.

Problem is by using an unstable hybrid even if its good you will get an even more unstable line as a result and you will find even harder to find that plant again.

Breeding to me is about preserving a line or if i am working with say hybrids to fist stabilise it then i preserve it also and then you can breed with it and create other things.

But most seam to be just crossing hybrids to hybrids and creating even more unstable lines that is okay if you like variety but me i like to know if i throw 10 seed down i will get a set type of plant show up or a high % of that group and if i run a pure line all will grow the same.

Excellent post hempy