GreenintheThumb
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He's against feminized seeds. And Treating Yourself mag had to publicly apologize to him for libel.
Fem seeds and there impact on the future of the species known as cannabis.
He's against feminized seeds. And Treating Yourself mag had to publicly apologize to him for libel.
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itsbenfun
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1 question for all
I have 1 question for everyone, would you A: buy a pack of Mr nice seeds or B: buy a tissue culture clone of their moms and dads??? Or hybrid or new release???
90% of you answered B
Peace
I have 1 question for everyone, would you A: buy a pack of Mr nice seeds or B: buy a tissue culture clone of their moms and dads??? Or hybrid or new release???
90% of you answered B
Peace
I'd rather have the seeds. 1000+ of each strain.I have 1 question for everyone, would you A: buy a pack of Mr nice seeds or B: buy a tissue culture clone of their moms and dads??? Or hybrid or new release???
90% of you answered B
Peace
What's that got to do with Fem seeds?
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itsbenfun
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???
it means fem seeds are a wash, forget about it, why?
you can simply clone. its a mode of transportation.
Everything legandary came from clone just about so why fight it?
These are tools only...reversing sex, ect. Treat them that way.
Peace
it means fem seeds are a wash, forget about it, why?
you can simply clone. its a mode of transportation.
Everything legandary came from clone just about so why fight it?
These are tools only...reversing sex, ect. Treat them that way.
Peace
joshuahazen
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MJpassion, You said it was confirmed he was working with the DEA towards that end. Confirmed by who? I would love to see the source for that. If you could post it, that would be great.
Thanks,
Thanks,
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Unclepeter
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show me where he has bred GMO cannabis!!!!
Alright yall, here goes:
First of all, Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction Donald Mallard instead of chastising what was said. I appreciate that more than peeps making comments that attack the messenger.
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/3-daily-news/5599-marcos-apology.html
I didn't say he breed GMO Cannabis, I said, He was in bed with Monsanto! Look at the link!
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/3-daily-news/5373-gmo-terminator-cannabis.html
I'd have to disagree with this sentiment wholly on the basis that the seed came WAY before the clone.
and finally
Batman, when you say "probably" how are you NOT spreading rumors?
Thanks everybody but lets get this thread back on track.
FEM SEEDS SUCK!
First of all, Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction Donald Mallard instead of chastising what was said. I appreciate that more than peeps making comments that attack the messenger.
Wish I could provide ya a source but I was given information and checked it out before going any further in this thread. Finish reading the rest of the posts please. I didn't reiterate my previous statement about Sam working with DEA did I? Did you go check out Marco's apology?
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/3-daily-news/5599-marcos-apology.html
I didn't say he breed GMO Cannabis, I said, He was in bed with Monsanto! Look at the link!
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/3-daily-news/5373-gmo-terminator-cannabis.html
I'd have to disagree with this sentiment wholly on the basis that the seed came WAY before the clone.
and finally
Batman, when you say "probably" how are you NOT spreading rumors?
Thanks everybody but lets get this thread back on track.
FEM SEEDS SUCK!
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joshuahazen
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I don't know shit about Sam Skunkman and I don't care. I just wanted to see a source, that's all.
Nevil calls him Monsanto Sam, among other things. That's all I need to know.
He has ties to Hortapharm, which has ties to George Soros, who is one of the big men behind Monsanto. Proposition 19 bla bla bla.
Hortapharm shmortapharm. People need to wake up.
Now lets get back to feminized seed.
Um, Feminized seed sucks.
Nevil calls him Monsanto Sam, among other things. That's all I need to know.
He has ties to Hortapharm, which has ties to George Soros, who is one of the big men behind Monsanto. Proposition 19 bla bla bla.
Hortapharm shmortapharm. People need to wake up.
Now lets get back to feminized seed.
Um, Feminized seed sucks.
oscar the rotund
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Some of you may hate Fems but I don't. I just today pollinated a ((Early Wonder Skunk x Auto Affie) x Hindu Kush auto))x a Fem pollen Iranian Auto Flower. This summer it's going to be the shit. I also have a Large amount of ((EWS x AA)x Short Term Amnesia auto)) Fem pollen that I'm going to use on 60 day autos. Sour 60. Hoping for 70-90 day Fem autos in the bush. I don't like to buy Fems though and won't if I have a choice.
joshuahazen
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I wouldn't say I hate feminized seed. Far from it. as a tool it has its applications. However I think as a technique it has been abused in Holland, and it certainly is not a substitute for the male. The assumption that so many Dutch breeders made in the early 90's that somehow the male was "obsolete" with the advent of Fem techs, was a fallacy that nearly destroyed the Holland scene.
I avoid hermaphrodites like the plague, and destroy them whenever they show themselves, I would never consider breeding with them, much less inducing them. But that is a personal choice.
I avoid hermaphrodites like the plague, and destroy them whenever they show themselves, I would never consider breeding with them, much less inducing them. But that is a personal choice.
GreenintheThumb
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Really Josh? We're still ganna debate this?
Every technique has been abused in Holland. It's why we're left with a pile of polyhybrid crap.
Of course it isn't a substitute for a male. And the tech wasn't big biz in Holland until the 2000s.
IMO- a lack of understanding of the processes and hurdles in breeding outcrossing species has destroyed our pool. It has jack all to do with feminization. Originally they thought you should just keep backcrossing to get a seed version of an elite clone, now they think you just need to make the S1s. They've always abused every technique they haven't understood and they'll continue to do so. Demonizing the terms doesn't help. Using chemical/hormone treatments to induce sex reversal is NOT SELECTING FOR HERMIES! Tired of saying that...
Every technique has been abused in Holland. It's why we're left with a pile of polyhybrid crap.
Of course it isn't a substitute for a male. And the tech wasn't big biz in Holland until the 2000s.
IMO- a lack of understanding of the processes and hurdles in breeding outcrossing species has destroyed our pool. It has jack all to do with feminization. Originally they thought you should just keep backcrossing to get a seed version of an elite clone, now they think you just need to make the S1s. They've always abused every technique they haven't understood and they'll continue to do so. Demonizing the terms doesn't help. Using chemical/hormone treatments to induce sex reversal is NOT SELECTING FOR HERMIES! Tired of saying that...
joshuahazen
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Yeah, OK...
You got me.
We've been doing just fine without the chemicals for a few thousands of years, I'll leave them to an expert like you.
Hows that?
GreenintheThumb
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Yeah, reading an MSDS might be beyond you; I'm not sure.
And you know they were probably doing fine smoking feral hemp but I prefer the resin of my modern cultivars. Stay where you're comfortable but don't spout negativity towards a breeding technique you obviously don't understand the consequences of...I saw your breeding thread and I'm nice enough not to dump all over your poor advice. Feel free step out of this thread, we don't need your lack of insight and ignorance of history.
And you know they were probably doing fine smoking feral hemp but I prefer the resin of my modern cultivars. Stay where you're comfortable but don't spout negativity towards a breeding technique you obviously don't understand the consequences of...I saw your breeding thread and I'm nice enough not to dump all over your poor advice. Feel free step out of this thread, we don't need your lack of insight and ignorance of history.
joshuahazen
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If you are referring to a safety sheet, trust me I can handle it. The toxic nature of the chemicals is not my primary concern. It is the intersexual mutative effects that they ultimately pass on linearly.
You might think all the dope around was "feral" until 30 years ago, but you are sadly mistaken in that presumption.
I guess we are all just dogs eating scraps off of your table eh?
Your elitist bullshit is as counterproductive as it is socially retarded.
What little you have chosen to reveal about your breeding knowledge has been done in an antagonistic manner, and as such is the opposite of helpful.
Furthermore, because of the nature of its revelation, it has a sort of dualistic nature that borderlines on hypocrisy.
As per your request:
I am out of here, dude.
You might think all the dope around was "feral" until 30 years ago, but you are sadly mistaken in that presumption.
I guess we are all just dogs eating scraps off of your table eh?
Your elitist bullshit is as counterproductive as it is socially retarded.
What little you have chosen to reveal about your breeding knowledge has been done in an antagonistic manner, and as such is the opposite of helpful.
Furthermore, because of the nature of its revelation, it has a sort of dualistic nature that borderlines on hypocrisy.
As per your request:
I am out of here, dude.
GreenintheThumb
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What does that even mean? Selection is selection josh and we don't have to worry about the transient chemical treatments that induce sex reversal. It's a temporary change of phenotype that doesn't effect the genotype or progeny.
Yeah, that's what I think! Thanks for the education. Thanks for understanding the point of negating progress.
brock1
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hey GITT fell free to leave this thread your self who are you to tell anyone to step out of this thread? do you know as much as your making out? now how Meany people say on here inbreeding's bad? everyone? your halving the gene pool by making fems from the start with or without selection. if your such a expert on feming you know your self your stopping genes making proteins that the plant need to express sex and make hormones ect by locking them. do you think locking genes out is good for cannabis breeders in the future? your contradicting your self so much GITT.
lets get this out for a start your saying. [IMO- a lack of understanding of the processes and hurdles in breeding outcrossing species has destroyed our pool. It has jack all to do with feminization.] so eliminating half the genes pool we still have isn't a problem then? its all the fault of the number of none dominant genes in the plants population in your opinion. nothing at all to do with bottlenecking dominant genes we have now then hey?
i find that a bit hypocritical to what you put in Nevil's breeding thread and what your saying now. after you said you need to preserve the dominant genes we still have. your telling people here to do it by using half the gene pool sound like your not even doing half as good a job as all those breeders that out crossed in Holland. you know the ones like Shanti and Nevile that have destroyed hower gene pool making hybrids so were not smoking feral hemp.
[And you know they were probably doing fine smoking feral hemp but I prefer the resin of my modern cultivars.] so why aren't you smoking so called feral hemp? because these breeders made hybrids? yes
. ho and the last time i checked you need to do a history lesson. most hemp (cannabis) originate from the same part of the world. we have different types because of breeders traveling with it and growing it somewhere else & then doing selection work to suit the new environment. making sub species in different parts of the world. so most if not all cannabis comes from the same small gene pools long before Holland breeders started crossing them back to together anyway. any gene that differ come from new genes being made in the selection proses because of environmental factors and inbreeding, mutations ect.yes feming is a good tool if done and used right and a bad thing if used wrong. why people think it gives them the right to tell other they shouldn't get involved or have a opinion is disgusting. you opinion is no better than anyone else GITT and as hypocritical as joshuas.
i treat people as they treat others. i wasn't even going to post i am having a bad time at the minute. but you need to stop thinking your the only person with a valid opinion & respect others opinions. so if you cant let others have there opinions maybe you should stop and leave the thread your self and take you own advice and stop just being a hypocrite GITT.
none of us are perfect and we all make mistakes. even you, me, joshua, nevil, shanti ect. so don't make out your perfect and know it all mate. you don't know one dose.