Fem seeds and there impact on the future of the species known as cannabis.

[Donald Mallard]

Its cool hempy ,, im not here to bitch ,, just wanted to point out that some of your personal experiences that you are relating now really contradict what youve said in this thread ..

also that if you find a seed in a plant ,, absolutely 100% , undeniable , it has been pollenated ,, or there would be no seed there ...

if a plant has pollenated itself ,, then it is an intersexed plant ,, you cant deny it ...

a lot of us try really hard to write well and get what we write correct ,, the spelling and the wording and the content , then theres no misunderstandings ..

 

[Nevil]

sorry for my lack of usual fun self , been too busy of late , chasing the tail , but darn that thing can move ,, lol ....
no offence to anyone ,, im just in a picky mood , must be one of those double testosterone days here ....

I was having a rough patch a few years ago and got pretty sick. I saw an anti aging doctor and decided to take some Human Growth Hormone. He did a lot of tests on me, of which one was for testosterone. The results came in and he called me in for an appointment. He seemed pretty agitated and I asked, What's up? He said, "you've got uncommonly high testosterone levels, more than me and I'm a Zen Master". I'm thinking, Zen Master, Haze Master, potato tomato. How high is high I asked. He said, you're a 30 on a scale of 35 (maybe ResinBud knows what scale he's talking about). I said, sounds pretty reasonable, what's wrong with that? Well he said, most guys like you end up in jail. I muttered something unintelligible and left with my HGH script.
My Dad was in his last years of life and was suffering enormously. Amongst other things, his skin was very thin, something that HGH was supposed to fix. I ended up giving it all to Dad, and I do believe that it improved the quality of his life and I got better anyway.

I do know that testosterone levels change quite a bit, from day to day and that it greatly affects our temperament. Women aren't the only ones with hormones you know. We need to cut each other some slack, on those double testosterone days.
N.

 

[Doobz]

ha-ha Nevil you crazy fucker.. Nice work mate.. That made me laugh..

 

[Donald Mallard]

I was having a rough patch a few years ago and got pretty sick. I saw an anti aging doctor and decided to take some Human Growth Hormone. He did a lot of tests on me, of which one was for testosterone. The results came in and he called me in for an appointment. He seemed pretty agitated and I asked, What's up? He said, "you've got uncommonly high testosterone levels, more than me and I'm a Zen Master". I'm thinking, Zen Master, Haze Master, potato tomato. How high is high I asked. He said, you're a 30 on a scale of 35 (maybe ResinBud knows what scale he's talking about). I said, sounds pretty reasonable, what's wrong with that? Well he said, most guys like you end up in jail. I muttered something unintelligible and left with my HGH script.
My Dad was in his last years of life and was suffering enormously. Amongst other things, his skin was very thin, something that HGH was supposed to fix. I ended up giving it all to Dad, and I do believe that it improved the quality of his life and I got better anyway.

I do know that testosterone levels change quite a bit, from day to day and that it greatly affects our temperament. Women aren't the only ones with hormones you know. We need to cut each other some slack, on those double testosterone days.
N.

Well im guessing guys with high testosterone levels will become breeders of one sort or another ,, hehe ..

My sister, after studying a bit on male testosterone, said she felt sorry for us guys and figured it must be pretty hard on us at times to have that beast lurking within ..

Wonder if theres an icon that we can have next to your avater to show when we are on our rags , or doubled up on testosterone , ill bet those are the days we make our bitchy posts ,, lol ...

 

[Doobz]

Well im guessing guys with high testosterone levels will become breeders of one sort or another ,, hehe ..

My sister, after studying a bit on male testosterone, said she felt sorry for us guys and figured it must be pretty hard on us at times to have that beast lurking within ..

Wonder if theres an icon that we can have next to your avater to show when we are on our rags , or doubled up on testosterone , ill bet those are the days we make our bitchy posts ,, lol ...

Thats funny.. My sister, after studying Psycology said she felt sorry for us (4 brothers) too, because we were all crazy..

 

[hempy]

Its cool hempy ,, im not here to bitch ,, just wanted to point out that some of your personal experiences that you are relating now really contradict what youve said in this thread ..

also that if you find a seed in a plant ,, absolutely 100% , undeniable , it has been pollenated ,, or there would be no seed there ...

if a plant has pollenated itself ,, then it is an intersexed plant ,, you cant deny it ...

a lot of us try really hard to write well and get what we write correct ,, the spelling and the wording and the content , then theres no misunderstandings ..

hi mate well i dont think i have and its clear to see that the s1 express a massive loss of vigor when you look at the f1 or even the f2s so do i cull them im betting few even you would why because of the smoke put simply.

Well as for a plant producing a single seed well yes it is a self pollination but can you or any one explane why a large plant out doors can produce a single seed as the plants in early flower yet the rest of the plants flower production remains seed free i would say no you cant people can make excuses like its stray pollen to its bull shit there has to be more than one seed on the plant well its fact it happens and i am not the only one thats posted this .

There is a very large difference from what we call hermies being a plant that can show female and male flowers on the plant at the start of sexing or in the middle of a plants flower cycle or 3/4 threw its flower cycle were it renders the flowers to a seeded finish to a plant producing a single seed or even 10 or 20 seed on a plant that can yield say 5 kg to a plant that people see fully seeded at harvest producing little usable flower.

Like i sed trainwreck the real one late in flower throws a few male flowers pods how long that plant been around and how many people used it to breed with many have.

As for spelling and trying to put wat im saying across most understand me and i use spell check best i can do mate.

Like i sed i have only 2 lines that are from self pollination the s1 mango haze and the unknown line and both i would put up against any so called elite line or most lines available i dont sell seed if i did breed commercially i would not offer them.

When i run lines i have no problem culling or throwing complete grows in the trash way i see it if i dont like the smoke because its week i would not waste my time even making hash from it and if i dont like the smoke but its good i still will cull it and pass the smoke to friends that will like it.

 

[hempy]

I also think that there is a difference from using chemicals to a natural process and even tho i dont have all the answers believe that using a good male over the mh s1 it or a plant like her will repair what ever mutation the stressing caused by allowing her to go 5 weeks past her mature stage and when i mean mature stage i mean shes got nothing left to give and then take 5 extra weeks.

Males do a lot more than pollinate they also repair.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

hempy you need to read and understand the thread before you make long posts in it. This argument has been going around for damn near a decade and the fact you STILL don't comprehend it speaks volumes.

Let me know about the vigor in your S3s



Males repair nothing, there's a HUGE difference between using a stress tested chemically reversed female and a plant that naturally shows intersex traits.

 

[Kangativa]

"Males repair nothing"

Lol.....I think you are going to be eating those words

 

[hempy]

hempy you need to read and understand the thread before you make long posts in it. This argument has been going around for damn near a decade and the fact you STILL don't comprehend it speaks volumes.

Let me know about the vigor in your S3s



Males repair nothing, there's a HUGE difference between using a stress tested chemically reversed female and a plant that naturally shows intersex traits.

I understand that some of you that claim to know it all DONT or will you know it all i have been growing for over 3 decades have grown out doors and in and i am first to stand up and say even if i was to grow until i am 99 and then was to fall into my plants cold dead i still wont know it all at 99.

Males do more than throw pollen into a the mix and what real research has been done on fem seeds in the form of real research nil correct has any breeder making female seed sed there going to have loss of vigor no but those that grow female seeds know this why not tell people this point and any other facts they may know.

Now i am being told how long my posts need to be and some of you think i am some type of retard that dose not know good cannabis or knows cannabis on a more deeper level i do my noligue comes from hands on studying real plants many different lines not from text books using big wards or unproven thearys to push my point across or in some peoples case down other peoples throats.

 

[Donald Mallard]

hi hempy ,,
i have seen plants with 20 odd seeds ,, its how many female flowers or calyxes are open to be fertalized by the male pollen at a specific time ,
, so a single seed , or a few is quite possilble , but it definately means the calyx has been fertalized by male pollen ... im not a believer in immaculate conception , it just doesnt happen.

there is a big difference between using a plant that has readily changed sex and one that has resisted and needed to be instigated to do so through using chemicals , from what i can tell your test shows that ,, you got interesexed plants right???

If we all except ourselves as students , learning about a subject ,, like you say hempy , we are learning about the plant , then we must be open to new things , its true we dont know everything , but lets keep ourselves open to new concepts and ideas , or we can t learn ...

im humble enough to admit i learn a lot all the time on the boards ,, some amazingly talented folks here and on other sites ,i rank myself as a keen observer and practising apprentice with a lot to learn still ....

 

[Kangativa]

Hi Donald,
I have like Hempy seen a 15 foot Sativa with just 1 true male flower, it wasnt in the heads like a hermie, it was at the base of a branch and it was just hanging there.
So what name do we give this plant and how much percentage of reversal does it have. I pushed this plant as far as possible into flowering and never saw another flower, but I found 3 seeds at the head closest to where the flower was.
This strain had never shown this before, nor has it shown since......were the seeds fems, I dont know as they were put with all the other seeds of that strain and as I have stated I always have a 70-80% fem/male ratio, same as Bushy seems to be getting, so it hard to tell.
Anyway what do we call this Phenonemon that causes Sativas to sometimes produce this 1 -2 flowers when there is only females around.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Hi Donald,
I have like Hempy seen a 15 foot Sativa with just 1 true male flower, it wasnt in the heads like a hermie, it was at the base of a branch and it was just hanging there.
So what name do we give this plant and how much percentage of reversal does it have. I pushed this plant as far as possible into flowering and never saw another flower, but I found 3 seeds at the head closest to where the flower was.
This strain had never shown this before, nor has it shown since......were the seeds fems, I dont know as they were put with all the other seeds of that strain and as I have stated I always have a 70-80% fem/male ratio, same as Bushy seems to be getting, so it hard to tell.
Anyway what do we call this Phenonemon that causes Sativas to sometimes produce this 1 -2 flowers when there is only females around.

70 to 80 % females , that looks like it came from an intersexed plant initially , id say dont stress them females too much , and call them like we see them ..

the boys that dont turn we will call boys ,, and the girls that dont we will call girls ,, the ones that do turn , no matter on the % , we will call intersexed , im pretty sure thats aok with the folks in the thread??

from what i read its man that has perpetuated the intersexed genetics , and we still are ...

 

[bushweed]

70 to 80 % females , that looks like it came from an intersexed plant initially , id say dont stress them females too much , and call them like we see them ..

Hmmm..thing is Kanga stresses them a lot, so that argument doesn't hold water. On top of that Sam S has observed 70% female ratios in the Original Hazes, yet no-one from the pro fem seeds crowd has the gumption to call those intersex. Why is that?

 

[hempy]

hi hempy ,,
i have seen plants with 20 odd seeds ,, its how many female flowers or calyxes are open to be fertalized by the male pollen at a specific time ,
, so a single seed , or a few is quite possilble , but it definately means the calyx has been fertalized by male pollen ... im not a believer in immaculate conception , it just doesnt happen.

Mate a little pollen goes a long way you know this right so how do you explane a plant standing say ruffly 8 foot or taller in early flower out doors and as you look at it as its starting to flower in very early flower you see a single seed on this plant forming yet no other flower has a single seed and yet this seeds forming in a pod just at the node im all ears for any one to explane it to me as i cant if it was stray pollen from some other plant would it not have seed forming in other parts of the plant you would think so right.

Now if a plant produces 10 to say 20 seeds max it could of come from a single male pollen pod right any more than that you would find seeds right threw the plant or have the plant produce more seeds becouse for it to produce seed it needs to be pollinated in flower not pollinated late in flower as it wont have time to form seed

there is a big difference between using a plant that has readily changed sex and one that has resisted and needed to be instigated to do so through using chemicals , from what i can tell your test shows that ,, you got interesexed plants right???

Chemical sex reversal is not cut and dry is it your treating the plant and stressing it dont tell me your not now for it to change from female to male there has to be change a curing at some biological level which has to be stressful on the plant.

There is a self preservation triga in cannabis and plants produce a natural hormone that causes a fem to make some pollen there is a very large difference in a plant line that shows both female and male flowers at sexing to a plant that shows a few male pollen pods late in flower mate.

If we all except ourselves as students , learning about a subject ,, like you say hempy , we are learning about the plant , then we must be open to new things , its true we dont know everything , but lets keep ourselves open to new concepts and ideas , or we can t learn ...

Come on mate we have people that have grown 3 grows telling people like Neville what is what that is the reality of the on line canna community most only believe what is written in books or posts in forums and even if its staring them in the face they will use unproven thearys to prove there right and that person wrong .

im humble enough to admit i learn a lot all the time on the boards ,, some amazingly talented folks here and on other sites ,i rank myself as a keen observer and practising apprentice with a lot to learn still ....

I look at my self as a person that likes cannabis i have never thort of my self as nothing more but i have gained a lot of info from shanti and know hopeful to from Neville but at the same time i know with out sounding cocky i have lots to shear also but i will also say i dont know it all no one does thats the point.

I read so much bull shit on line that i honestly feel some times no matter how hard you try you just cant brake threw it the reality is we have kids with one grow under there belts telling growers of 40 years how it needs to be done.

 

[hempy]

Trainwreck the real one is called elite by the same people pushing fem seed yet it has been used in many hybrids in cali by great growers it has been used to make fem seeds to yet it throws a few male pods in late flower did the seeds made from it being x to other lines hermie dont think they did because they would of posted it all across the boards and or culled it years ago food for thort.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Trainwreck the real one is called elite by the same people pushing fem seed yet it has been used in many hybrids in cali by great growers it has been used to make fem seeds to yet it throws a few male pods in late flower did the seeds made from it being x to other lines hermie dont think they did because they would of posted it all across the boards and or culled it years ago food for thort.

You mean a recessive intersex trait can be masked in outcrosses? teach us more oh wise one. Surely it must mean that gynoecious releases are worthless. Sing it to the mountain for all the ignorant to hear. STONER-GATE indeed.

 

[Kangativa]

70 to 80 % females , that looks like it came from an intersexed plant initially , id say dont stress them females too much , and call them like we see them ..

the boys that dont turn we will call boys ,, and the girls that dont we will call girls ,, the ones that do turn , no matter on the % , we will call intersexed , im pretty sure thats aok with the folks in the thread??

from what i read its man that has perpetuated the intersexed genetics , and we still are ...

Donald when I say 70-80% fems I am talking all strains, not that 1 strain and that plant that I found the flower was from my cross in 85. That strain has been grown in 3 different areas of Australia and has been through stress you couldnt imagine.....never did it again.
I can also tell you that I have never used intersex plants for breeding.
Bushy got a 70-80% ratio as well and that is using a few different strains of Shanti's, Nimbin and mine, cant get much better proof that what I say about percentages is true.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

"Males repair nothing"

Lol.....I think you are going to be eating those words

I will, I'll eat them up all the way back to my understanding of basic genetics. Good thing us guys are around to repair our mother's weak genome, right guy? That's how it works? I heard all about it on forums proliferated with know nothings. That's where I get my info guys.

STUPID-GATE

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Donald when I say 70-80% fems I am talking all strains, not that 1 strain and that plant that I found the flower was from my cross in 85. That strain has been grown in 3 different areas of Australia and has been through stress you couldnt imagine.....never did it again.
I can also tell you that I have never used intersex plants for breeding.
Bushy got a 70-80% ratio as well and that is using a few different strains of Shanti's, Nimbin and mine, cant get much better proof that what I say about percentages is true.

Pop 1000 and show us. Why speak genetics to someone who obviously doesn't understand simple statistics?