F1s and Beyond

[kane]

The techniques of cannabis breeding are new to me but I want to learn. I know that commercially bred plants (ie tomatoes) are selected over many generations from thousands of specimens to produce a new true variety, so is it because we can't have these numbers to select from with Cannabis that F1s are the way to go? You get the best mother and father you can and keep them? I've heard people say Simon's and DJ's genetics are falling apart. Is this from losing their P1s and having F5s, F6s, etc. In small numbers and thus losing vigor from not getting the pick of the litter so to speak?

Am I on the right track?

 

[Fire]

Work with what you got and what space you have. Your questions are sort of vague, but here's a start:

 

[Cabron]

The techniques of cannabis breeding are new to me but I want to learn. I know that commercially bred plants (ie tomatoes) are selected over many generations from thousands of specimens to produce a new true variety, so is it because we can't have these numbers to select from with Cannabis that F1s are the way to go? You get the best mother and father you can and keep them? I've heard people say Simon's and DJ's genetics are falling apart. Is this from losing their P1s and having F5s, F6s, etc. In small numbers and thus losing vigor from not getting the pick of the litter so to speak?

Am I on the right track?

Yep Simon and DJ have been forced to start over!

Once you lose the P1's that originally created your magic you are literally standing at square one..
Hopefully a bit wiser and appreciating just how important those original P1's were....


Try not to get caught up in all the technical bullshit that many will spend page after page on cannabis sites debating and compounding on..

In the end by the time you make any sense of it you'll see they are just blowing hot air and spent too much time googling the web for fancy excerpts to cut n paste to make themselves look intelligent...


Wanna know how to make nice plants??


Start from a few pools of desirable genetics,,use your eye and your gut to
select what appeals to you..


Keep track of the basics

Ease of cloning
Resistant
Structure
Potency
Flavor
smell
Yield


etc


and let your instinct guide you...


That's the best thin you can do...
Just try

Chimera is uber educated supposedly in genetics and breeding but I'll bet ya I can supply you seeds that are equal or better than what he has to offer as many others can as well,all with no Ivy League education in Horticultural science.

Breeder Steve is now talked about negatively as he supposedly had no education in breeding, but I remember how superb so many of his strains were...He had solid genetics available and an eye for the right combinations.


You can do the same trust me....it just takes testing your hand at it...
and learning from the results,,sooner or later you hit pay dirt!


Lose your P1's you lose the strain!

 

[Nevil]

Work with what you got and what space you have. Your questions are sort of vague, but here's a start:

This is pretty much a standard inbreeding tek. If one of the lines goes sour, you just use the other as if it were a P1.

This is a good method.
N.

 

[kane]

Thanks for the schematic Fire and Cabron I've followed your posts for a while; seems like you know your shit, so your input is much appreciated.

So GWS/SS is a stable hybrid, where as say, Afghan x Haze is F1 only, meaning seeds are only produced with crossing the haze male and Afghan female every time?

I guess I'm still wondering why GWS/SS is stable as a P1 while Blueberry and AK-47 have reportedly turned to crap. If you manage to stabilize a strain do you still have to periodically back-cross it with the original P1s or something?

Thanks!

EDIT: Didn't see your post Nevil. That's awesome... making sense to me now.

 

[Cabron]

Thank You

For the record I'd like to point out one of these many threads that get just ludicrous...Basicly boring beyond all belief..

I was not implying threads on this site in any way...

Nev and Shanti know their stuff and actually talk in human speak
keeping it real! not sounding like a bunch of posers .....

Genuine breeders can relax and skip the BS and just provide seeds
that match the description,,,yes even doing so w/o the worry of saving the world's genetic library.... That's what breeders do!




Self Pollination vs Cubing Process???? why cube? - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

"sub-dioecious"

This is Rick's new word he learned on google...
He can't seem to stop posting and lecturing everybody about proper terminology and wants his newly found term to be honored..

Yes he truly talks about it so incessantly I lost track in so many threads..
Rick's quote:
"Darwin bro,,,i cant believe your using the word "Hermi",,,,

,,,,,,,im sure we have talked about cannabis being sub-dioecious

,,, what newbis call "Hermi`s" are in fact monotonous plants in sub- dioecious populations,,,,,none of the biotypes are hemaphrodite

selfing and feminization is by far the best way to ensure presevation of novel and supirior genotypes,,,imo "




This is but 1 thread of thousands that may bore you to death...


But the humor of the site stooge English Rick trying to pass himself off as the geneticist keeps me rolling on the floor laughing...at least for the pure entertainment value.





I simply won't even take part in them any more....too many imbeciles trying to impress everybody that they are breeders...
And actual breeders are rare....
Hell Rick can't even friggin spell properly.

 

[keyplay]

Yep Simon and DJ have been forced to start over!

Once you lose the P1's that originally created your magic you are literally standing at square one..
Hopefully a bit wiser and appreciating just how important those original P1's were....


Try not to get caught up in all the technical bullshit that many will spend page after page on cannabis sites debating and compounding on..

In the end by the time you make any sense of it you'll see they are just blowing hot air and spent too much time googling the web for fancy excerpts to cut n paste to make themselves look intelligent...


Wanna know how to make nice plants??


Start from a few pools of desirable genetics,,use your eye and your gut to
select what appeals to you..


Keep track of the basics

Ease of cloning
Resistant
Structure
Potency
Flavor
smell
Yield


etc


and let your instinct guide you...


That's the best thin you can do...
Just try

Chimera is uber educated supposedly in genetics and breeding but I'll bet ya I can supply you seeds that are equal or better than what he has to offer as many others can as well,all with no Ivy League education in Horticultural science.

Breeder Steve is now talked about negatively as he supposedly had no education in breeding, but I remember how superb so many of his strains were...He had solid genetics available and an eye for the right combinations.


You can do the same trust me....it just takes testing your hand at it...
and learning from the results,,sooner or later you hit pay dirt!


Lose your P1's you lose the strain!

Excellent advice....intuition is an interesting point coming from experience .

Works well for me. Thanks

 

[Unclepeter]

Yep Simon and DJ have been forced to start over!

Once you lose the P1's that originally created your magic you are literally standing at square one..
Hopefully a bit wiser and appreciating just how important those original P1's were....


Try not to get caught up in all the technical bullshit that many will spend page after page on cannabis sites debating and compounding on..

In the end by the time you make any sense of it you'll see they are just blowing hot air and spent too much time googling the web for fancy excerpts to cut n paste to make themselves look intelligent...


Wanna know how to make nice plants??


Start from a few pools of desirable genetics,,use your eye and your gut to
select what appeals to you..


Keep track of the basics

Ease of cloning
Resistant
Structure
Potency
Flavor
smell
Yield


etc


and let your instinct guide you...


That's the best thin you can do...
Just try

Chimera is uber educated supposedly in genetics and breeding but I'll bet ya I can supply you seeds that are equal or better than what he has to offer as many others can as well,all with no Ivy League education in Horticultural science.

Breeder Steve is now talked about negatively as he supposedly had no education in breeding, but I remember how superb so many of his strains were...He had solid genetics available and an eye for the right combinations.


You can do the same trust me....it just takes testing your hand at it...
and learning from the results,,sooner or later you hit pay dirt!


Lose your P1's you lose the strain!

Only if your P1 stock is of 1:1 origin ie you sell seeds from 1 mum and 1 dad loose one and its gone what a plan!! (i know you get it, but others prob don't, also are MNS bred from 1:1), what I love in this post is you have a go about people being snobby ie Chimera.. then go on a snobby rant!

Thank You

For the record I'd like to point out one of these many threads that get just ludicrous...Basicly boring beyond all belief..

I was not implying threads on this site in any way...

Nev and Shanti know their stuff and actually talk in human speak
keeping it real! not sounding like a bunch of posers .....

Genuine breeders can relax and skip the BS and just provide seeds
that match the description,,,yes even doing so w/o the worry of saving the world's genetic library.... That's what breeders do!




Self Pollination vs Cubing Process???? why cube? - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

"sub-dioecious"

This is Rick's new word he learned on google...
He can't seem to stop posting and lecturing everybody about proper terminology and wants his newly found term to be honored..

Yes he truly talks about it so incessantly I lost track in so many threads..
Rick's quote:
"Darwin bro,,,i cant believe your using the word "Hermi",,,,,,,,,,,im sure we have talked about cannabis being sub-dioecious,,, what newbis call "Hermi`s" are in fact monotonous plants in sub- dioecious populations,,,,,none of the biotypes are hemaphrodite

selfing and feminization is by far the best way to ensure presevation of novel and supirior genotypes,,,imo "




This is but 1 thread of thousands that may bore you to death...


But the humor of the site stooge English Rick trying to pass himself off as the geneticist keeps me rolling on the floor laughing...at least for the pure entertainment value.





I simply won't even take part in them any more....too many imbeciles trying to impress everybody that they are breeders...
And actual breeders are rare....
Hell Rick can't even friggin spell properly.

thats classy!

 

[suburban]

Only if your P1 stock is of 1:1 origin ie you sell seeds from 1 mum and 1 dad loose one and its gone what a plan!! (i know you get it, but others prob don't, also are MNS bred from 1:1), what I love in this post is you have a go about people being snobby ie Chimera.. then go on a snobby rant.

What's so 'snobby' and rantlike about that - I thought those were good basic starting points for someone interested in making seeds? And for you to dig up other quotes from another post makes me think you have an axe to grind, like
has been so common here lately - maybe take personal issues to PM...

 

[Unclepeter]

What's so 'snobby' and rantlike about that - I thought those were good basic starting points for someone interested in making seeds? And for you to dig up other quotes from another post makes me think you have an axe to grind, like
has been so common here lately - maybe take personal issues to PM...

I would of thought that Cabron would have the decency to do that with English Rick and not to just ridicule him here in the open!. as to me digging up posts? the posts are Cabrons, so I havn't dug anything up! If you cannot see the irony in Cabrons posts then I give up.

Ps. Was I addressing you Sub? nope so who has an agenda?

 

[Cabron]

I would of thought that Cabron would have the decency to do that with English Rick and not to just ridicule him here in the open!. as to me digging up posts? the posts are Cabrons, so I havn't dug anything up! If you cannot see the irony in Cabrons posts then I give up.

Ps. Was I addressing you Sub? nope so who has an agenda?

Just Ignore JF,,this handle will be banned soon as well...

 

[Cabron]

Only if your P1 stock is of 1:1 origin ie you sell seeds from 1 mum and 1 dad loose one and its gone what a plan!! (i know you get it, but others prob don't, also are MNS bred from 1:1), what I love in this post is you have a go about people being snobby ie Chimera.. then go on a snobby rant!



thats classy!

Asshat! did I say Chimera was snobby??

umm nope,I stated he has an Ivy league education in horticultural science,,and that it isn't needed to breed beautiful specimens in cannabis!


My lil gal could have understood that better than you....comprehension challenged ,,sorry about your luck!

 

[Unclepeter]

Just Ignore JF,,this handle will be banned soon as well...

Nope I'm Kopite.

 

[Unclepeter]

Asshat! did I say Chimera was snobby??

umm nope,I stated he has an Ivy league education in horticultural science,,and that it isn't needed to breed beautiful specimens in cannabis!

My lil gal could have understood that better than you....comprehension challenged ,,sorry about your luck!

No you stated supposedly! you didn't say snobby directly but the implications are there! oh and I believe its geneticts he has a phd in! though I'd let him tell you that.

you have showed yourself for what you are a few times now, ie you call for people being banned as they don't show respect etc etc you clearly have a prob with ER and ridicule in public for what? like I said Asshat classy!

 

[Cabron]

Kopite,,,why are you not using that handle?
I recognize that name from other places....are you a whiner from there as well??

You most certainly appear to be here for no purpose other than stirring shit..
so you can kiss my ass ....
I have offered nothing more here than a pat on the back and assurance to an
inspiring new breeder to go for it! and not worry about all the noise..

After a lil reading I realize now that you are exactly one of the schmucks that
will go round and round on breeding threads talking shit for hours and using your
favorite monoecious term(hermie) same damned thing,,,,you wanna sound important
though,,,

And since you being an individual in the very threads that this bullshit takes place
and I pointed it out,,,,have decided to come here disrupt my advice to skip reading
you and your idiot buddy's long drawn out garbage....how special!



Hey Kopite how about you post some pics..??? you know some nicely grown
beautiful plants

some gorgeous flowers of cannabis..

where are these specimens you breed that you think you know so much about?


Let's see some of your work since you seem to fancy yourself as a pro.....

 

[Batman]

unclepeter is one of the man of this forum who knows a lot of thing and surely more than all the big mouth i see here...

 

[Batman]

i think everyone should be able to reconsider 1:1 mating breeding technique, its a very good technique but not the holy grail of the technique on all its aspects.
so lets keep a open mind about all the tools we have to breed cannabis or everything else.

Bat

 

[Cabron]

unclepeter is one of the man of this forum who knows a lot of thing and surely more than all the big mouth i see here...

Yano it's really hard to give you or any of these new fly by nite usernames any creedence,,,,they just pop up when it's convenient to make a new one...


Well unclecepter or Kopite or whoever or whatever this entity decides to use for the day has one key component missing...


It's critical like the Hydrogen missing from H2O


It's called pics....and history of successful grows...


You can talk smack all day long...


But w/o that it's just smack!!!



My main intent on even posting here was to let this new guy know that he can succeed in creating his own seeds with great success ...



and all he has to do is try....


He took that info and ran with it!

Good for him...



Now all you birds that sit high in your tree talkin all that jargon
and technical mouth grease about terminology and theories and wanna
shit bird droppings down on the new guy for attempting to make his
own seeds and asking a few questions....



well I have my shotgun and am taking aim at your worthless keysters
now...

 

[Batman]

your advices to the op were good cabron dont take it wrong, i just think we can speak of all the techniques available to us, thats all, i dont see the need to say kiss my ass ect...
about change of username, number of posts and pictures to show, i dont see the problem either with someone who dont want to post pictures for security concern, we are here to share and we can share opinion, knowledge and experience without pictures... i have nothing to prove
take it easy with your gun thing

 

[Cabron]

Batman

Hey I agree,,,
But my focus was on Kopite...
The same type of poster that has been around awhile like me posting...

The difference is his type is one that will argue technical jargon all day
besides actually doing it!!


Life is short,,,,it's best to get your hands dirty and do things...
Not sit and bicker about all the nuances and what if's all day...



The bottom line is it creates an atmosphere of doubt and uncertainty for
people just getting involved in this wonderful path of cannabis.


90 % of the best phenos I've ever germinated were made by myself or
other friends that chose to breed for themselves as well...


I want the new people to know that!


But you have to start with a solid base,,,and This site is the only place that carries the original building blocks to do that...




Don't be scared of the gun thing,,,it's only an analogy .....