Down At The Doctors - Dogstar's NHS test grow 2009

NHS - supercropped x 3 week 7 12/12

I will takes some photos tomorrow.

This group of 3 has not fared so well - under a 400w but with poorer ventilation (except when door open). They also suffered from some light irregularities.

One I found some male sacs on - one on each of the 4 lower stems. This was taken out of the room, probably will cut now and re-try with the clone.

The 2nd has developed a strang growth pattern with extended top the the main cola, and I'm not sure if it is re-vegging because of light problems, or is a very hazy pheno, or if it is not very healthy, suffering from a deficiency or what.

The 3rd is small but developing normally (I haven't checked all stems for sacs though).

I think these problems are caused by grower errors rather than the genetics because the problems coincide with the environment.
 
Outdoor crew x 5

These are growing very well, about 5-6' high now but still waiting for sex to show.

Will photograph tomorrow.
 
NHS 2 - week 9 of 12/12

NHS 2 - week 9 of 12/12

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[B]NHS 8[/B] - week 9 of 12/12

NHS 8 - week 9 of 12/12

The calyxes are stacking on this one (the top was bent over) but it is hard to get a good photo.

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looking nice:)

these are the first real buds from the nhs i have seen
how is the smell of the girls?
keep up the good work
 
Cheers,

I'm going to have a close look at the trichs today, and decide about harvesting then. I've got some Bubblegum from seed that I planted and flowered 1 week earlier than the NHS, and that has just finished.

I've got 4 phenos in flower and one I chopped early, and will try and describe the smells later today as well, but I'm not very good at this as I can't compare to standards, and I'm not even sure which smell is skunk and which is haze.

I've got a SSH, Widow and Devil in flower at the mo, and the NHS definitely smells more stringent to me, with some hazy undertones in some phenos (assuming my SSH smells hazey!).

I have 4 NHS clones ready to flower once these are done, and think these will give a better representation of flowering times. To keep height down they were flowered before alternate nodes, so the flowering times in the first run should come down by 10 days - 2 weeks.

edit: does anyone know the cause of the leaves folding upwards to form a tube shape, like the are doing in NHS 8?
 
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hi there
the folding up of the leaves usually indicates a heat problem
as off some pheno's can have more of a problem with radiation heat from the lights
i had the same problem with mako haze in the past
 
If I'm not mistaken I believe low humidity as well can be a cause of those leaves folding like that.. I can't remember why but there was a specific reason for the leaf curl response.. I too have seen the leaves curl when too close to lamps as haze73 suggested but I don't recall them doing that tube shape...

I guess one way to help determine if it's one of the two is if your leaves are cupping like that just up near the light it would probably be a heat related issue.. If it's low humidity you're probably going to see that cupping in all kinds of random places on the plant.. If you think it could be humidity you could try misting some of the lower leaves a few times a day that are cupping and see if they flatten out.. I say the lower leaves because you're going to have a lesser chance of them burning from the lights hitting wet leaves down low.

Good luck,

BB
 
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Cheers Bill and haze73,

I'm not sure about heat stress, unless it is a pheno thing, because this one is slightly further away from the light than the other one, and I have had a light rail for the last week. The curling is getting progressively worse. This pheno has larger more solid buds though, so it isn't causing too much damage. The leaves are also staying very green, when heat stressed ones tend to go yellow after a while.

Humidity is very very high (up to 99.9% one day!!) and rarely drops under 80%. Air is drawn directly from outside with a 4" input and 6" ruck extractor, and the exchange is pretty good (just as well given humidity). edit> I did have a problem with the input fan getting blocked for about a week, inflow at half rate.

I've got a range of strains in flower - as well as SSH, Widow and Devil there are 2 Kali Mist phenos, DJ Short Blueberry, DP Blueberry and Bubblegum. This is the only plant with the curling leaves. I do wonder if it is a nute deficiency or over-fert. Outdoors I would have thought it was an insect attack.

I'll see how the clone performs, I don't think this has been a model grow, but probably quite typical for a lot of growers with the odd cock-up here and there.
 
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Just to add - I chopped my SSH about 10 days early once and it was too racey, so am a bit wary now and prefer to leave things later rather than earlier.

Also, most of the strains I have are 'up' highs, and I find myself buzzing at 1 am sometimes (when I want to sleep), so that is another reason for leaving the harvest a little.

I also want to see how much more swelling occurs in the next week, I think #8 is nearly ready now and #2 in another week.

I'll report on the other 3 phenos later.

The outdoor ones are stonking, but waiting for positive sexing still.
 
NHS harvested

I had a look at the trichs yesterday and they were mostly milky with a couple amber here and there, so decided to harvest the NHS under 600w.

Will post some picture of the dried bud before it goes into the curing jars.

I have 4 female clones from the first grow (NHS 2, 5, 6, 12) that are ready to go into their final pots ready to start 12/12 in a week or 10 days. I have started another thread about these. I also have 2 cuttings from NHS7 to pot on, so will be running 5 females in the 2nd grow.

My 5 outdoor plants are 6-8' tall now, very strong with thick stems and standing unsupported at the moment. I have identified 2 girls so far, and am starting to feel like I may be lucky as no males have shown yet.
 
great to hear that the first ones are harvested
seems like they need about 9 to 11 weeks to finish
would love to see some pics of the final product and curious about the yield

good thing you still update as i see the other guys/girls did not update anymore

keep up the good work and i will follow the grow report of the clones too

haze73
 
Cheers haze73,

I reckon I had twice the weight from #8 (the bent over one) as the lower branches had small but hard well developed buds on them, whereas #2 stayed a single cola. One problem with weighing is I have labeled the main cola from each pheno but the smaller buds have been put together to dry. As a comparison there was slightly less weight than from Bubblegum (by eye), but I think the smoke will be more powerful.

The clones are going to be quite interesting I think, some very branchy, others single cola, and the leaf shapes and edges are more distinct than on the seed plants.
 
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NHS seed grow - summary of indoor grow

I thought it would be a good idea to summarise my observations on this grow.

- 15/15 germinated.

- 5/10 female (outdoors crew to sex)

- All plants healthy with no mutations, one smaller seedling which caught up

- Some pheno variation in early veg stage (single cola/branchy) - not as much variation as SSH

- More variation in leaf edge pattern (ie rounded, sawtooth) than leaf shape (possibly identifying phenos)

- Easy to grow, takes full strength nutes OK

- Success of supercropping (ie snapping main stem) depends on pheno

- Vigorous, stayed green throughout flowering (no Mg def)

- no mould (but no mould on any other strain either) Humditiy in flowering was very high 80%+

- no insect attacks (unlike the adjacent Blueberry which was covered in aphids and had to be removed)

- Easy to clone (100%)

- Potentially light sensitive, may develop male sacs in poor environment (irregular hours in my case)

- Stretch x 2 - x 2.5 (max) after 12/12. Average was x 2.2 (ish)

- Flowering 9-11 weeks after 12/12 depending on maturity at 12/12

- Some pheno variation by smell (some more skunky, some with haze undertones), but nowhere near the range of phenos as SSH IME

- A medium to heavy cropping strain

- ** will continue after drying and smoking! **
 
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Hi Dogstar

I was reading over some of the NHS testers reports. It seemed BB report has had an issue with hermie plants. IF this was to be anything to do with the strain then I would expect to find others having issues with hermie plants...did you see anything along these lines?

I have a few of the same seed in pots on my terrace and to date only see true female plants. So any feedback would be appreciated...all the best Sb
 
Hi Shanti,

I did have male sacs appear on the lower branches of 2 of my plants, one sac per branch, and about 4 sacs per plant. I didn't notice them until about week 5 or 6 (exact date is in my diary somewhere) by which time one had opened.

The first couple of weeks of 12/12 was achieved bringing them in a dark shed at night. There were a couple of nights one weekend early in 12/12 when they got more like 15/9 because I couldn't get back in time, and I put the date of the development of the male flowers to the time of irregular photoperiod.

I thought that the strain might be very light sensitive at the time, and didn't consider it a hermie as such because only a couple of flowers appeared, and no new male flowers showed in the last 6 weeks of flower, once the plants had been moved to a better environment.

I am about to flower 4 clones from this grow and will keep a very close eye on them.
 
Hi Dogstar

thanks for verifying things, seems that it is a light sensitve plant...so I would go along with your theory rather than believe hermie tendencies appear without a stress related factor. Anyhow keep a good look out on the clones that will be more easy to regulate for this....all the best Sb
 
Outdoor crew NHS 10

Update: Of the 5 outdoor plants, 2 are female (#7 and #10).

#10 was topped at about 0.7m and is now 2m high.

#7 was the runt and still has smaller leaves, so maybe a smaller pheno...will see how the cutting flowers. It is about 1.5m high.

No sign of male sacs on these.

The roots of the ones I pulled were very thick and white, and anchored the plants well into the ground. The topped male #11 suffered several snap-offs.

NHS 10

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hi Dogstar,

looking great man

from what I ve seen so far from the testers threads the NHS seems to be a very nice line and you got some very beautiful ladies there , regarding male flowers I did have some sensitive plants from other haze hybrids as well when there were even very small light leaks during the plant's night cycle.
So I believe its just that one must make sure such sensitive plants flower with complete darkness or else there can be some phenos that react fast in a negative way when their night cycle is interrupted or light levels are above a certain point. Also noticed that among different plants from the same line not all phenos are as sensitive and the ones leaning towards the sativa/haze side they are more sensitive to light pollution.
Now the genetics won't get stressed and there won't be any problems whatsoever if one is careful with light leaks. And as long as the male flower appearance is only related to light pollution and not seen with these genes with other different stress factors like high temp/food flunctuations , pest attacks etc all is good.

thanks for the updates and look forward to see how these bloom during the following weeks
 
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